Bertron's statement wasn't really expounded upon and anything about it is still conjecture. One could even argue that he may have evolved past needing the sunlight all together or adapted to a coma state and kept whatever sunlight he had since he survived 250 times his alleged metabolism because it became "necessary", however Bertron also said that he was "immortal" so it's really up in the air
No. DD was imprisoned/buried immediately after being 'killed' by the original Radiant -- killed for the very first time since Bertron had 'completed' his evolution... It was the first time he had to adapt beyond death on his own. As we saw in the wake of his second death at the hands of Superman, however, DD's next resurrection was astronomically shorter in duration.
The hell?
Doomsday was buried hundreds/thousands of feet underground, was contained inside a sealed cubical prison comprised of a very thick metal, AND covered from head to toe in a Calatonian burial shroud. Absolutely NO sunlight reached him, lol.
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If he can be drained in the way you're trying to argue, why is it saying that after "does not need to eat or breathe?" All indications are it supporting he just gets nourishment from solar energy.
And are you actually debating fairly, or do you just want Rulk to win?
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The Countdown bio doesn't say anything that Bertron already didn't.
Yes, solar radiation "nourishes" Doomsday to *some* ambiguous extent... But it is clearly NOT a *requirement* to sustain his overall power/survival, as he has functioned perfectly fine without it... ON PANEL. Doomsday's biology =/= Superman's, ffs.
What's not computing here?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 15th, 2017 at 06:35 PM
I think this part is really hard to grasp for some people here.
Doomsday's evolutionary ability working without needing him to get inside the sun should be proof enough that he gets more powerful independent of how much solar energy he has in his cells.
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It was, in fact, a plot point in Doomsday Rex that he had been regrown using kryptonian DNA after OWAW, and thus why he had the kryptonite weakness. Any prior version was completely different.
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The countdown bio seems to have gone further than Bertron seeing as how it states that solar radiation"fuels his super strong body" as opposed to just "nourished by solar energy that he can store"...
...Except we KNOW it doesn't play any sort of major role in 'fueling' DD, because he's functioned perfectly fine WITHOUT the added 'nourishment' of solar radiation, on panel.
See, this is exactly why we do not rely solely on bios as though they represent incontrovertible fact -- more often than not, they are sharply contradicted by on panel showings. Unless the bio in question is in alignment with on panel showings, then it's entirely worthless as evidence... And this is a prime example.
another thing is that Bertron said that the sunlight would keep him nourished for a thousand years but Doomsday can I guess be malnourished for 250 times that especially if he is almost dead after fighting the Radiant
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Thus you are making a straw man argument since no one has declared Doomsday to be Kryptonian and I wonder if you feel that only Kryptonians are allowed to be fueled by solar energy. I mean the basis that you ask for comes from the dialogue of the books.
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Of course, on panel statements are being used and used logically. You're trying to extrapolate meaning from Doomsday's time after losing to Radiant to offset what is clearly stated in his shown origin. If we want to come up with creative reasons, one can say that enough stored energy remained in his body to eventually revive him and since DD was not moving, there was no real expenditure. We can all dream things up, but we can't ignore what is stated in print. The assertion that DD has no energy to be drained has been shown to be false.
Plus, we know that Doomsday's origin was thought up and implemented after DOS, so based on you guys' very generous use of the term, one can say that any previous contradictions to the origin were retconned.
And as stated earlier, no one has said that Doomsday is Kryptonian.
None of this means that Rulk wins, loses, draws, etc. What it means is that you can't discard the extreme energy drain portrayal given by Loeb. It's fair game.
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Anyway, I perused some of Doomsday Hunter/Prey as Salsa suggested and noted the sections where Doomsday went against Radiant. Noticed something of interest:
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Bertron's statement wasn't really expounded upon and anything about it is still conjecture. One could even argue that he may have evolved past needing the sunlight all together or adapted to a coma state and kept whatever sunlight he had since he survived 250 times his alleged metabolism because it became "necessary", however Bertron also said that he was "immortal" so it's really up in the air
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