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He wouldn't slam shit. He wouldn't catch up with Dante. Dante can teleport. Oh like Dante couldn't do the same? All he has is speed? Agility, Endurance, Durability. And we don't know how strong Dante could be. Or Dante could just use Jackpot on Kratos. And besides impaling him with a chain wouldn't do anything(and he's gonna have to ware Dante down or Dante is just gonna have to sit up there). And he has to do all of that?(which still wouldn't kill him).
We do know how strong Dante could be, we simply take his highest strength feat from the games and thats his strength.
All he has is speed/agility, thats it...Dante couldnt survive a single hit from Kratos, the guy would splatter Dante. Impaling him with a chain? whats the point in that? a few slide slashes and final tier combos would shred Dante like a mouldy orange in a blender.
Ive seen that scene many times, both on here and when playing the game myself, its nothing special, hes infact incapaicated for a while and takes another while getting off of it, its certainly not easy for him, in only a quarter of the time Dante is trying to slide off being impaled Kratos could have already turned him to stone with a Gorgon eye flash.
Dante would never Jackpot kratos....since Kratos' plane of existence has always been Earth and hes crawled out of the underworld before, not that dante woudl even get teh Jackpot off, its slow as hell....Kratos although lumbering is not that slow...especially not when hes got the Sisters of fate time powers.
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He wouldn't survive a hit? The most BS I heard. And I thought I was a fanboy. Kratos is too slow to hit him. The Dante would just laugh at the blades. Kratos doesn't has to much to hurt Dante. Besides Alastor/Gilgamesh/Yamato so what would any other weapons do? And wheres your proof he wouldn't survive? And besides if Mortals can take The Blade or BOA Dante can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJafPKap0VM
Just because Dante doesn't do what Krato's does, doesn't mean he isn't strong. It's not up to your to decide how strong he is but Capcom.
A few cuts from Gilgamesh Krato's dead.
How do we know he could be stoned? Royal Guard can turn it on Kratos. And why didn't he used it on bosses then if it's so powerful?
Kratos is slow as hell. And Krato's wouldn't know what Jackpot would do. Not Hades--Hell. And how can he get out of something under his own power? Jackpot is big and there is no escape. And he can't escape nor Sparda's Cannon. Kratos would never impale Dante.
Dante has Agility/Endurance/Speed/Durability. He has more than Dante. Because Kratos got hit with Collosus hand and nearly died.
Like I said if defeating Gods(more powerful than Greek Gods)what makes a Mortal any different?
Besides Dante's regenerating ability so super as soon as he's hit his wounds are healed.
Hell from what we saw Dante can't die.
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This fight depends on what God or Gods are backing Kratos. Different gods means Kratos has different abilities. Kratos alone has no special powers or charms without the aid of the Gods. I suppose, since Athena died. No one can remove his blades of athena but otherwise Kratos is just a vehicle of the Gods' will.If he had one of their blessings, he would fvck Dante's shit up. No one can kill a God except a God. Kratos has only ever killed a god because he had the powers of another God.
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Now that I think The Blades of Athena would hurt Dante since they were forged in the Underworld(Hades).
IDK.
It doesn't matter. Hades' Souls could hurt Dante though
It doesn't matter if he had a blessing or not. They don't create Devil Arms(they arn't Demons). Unless the weapons are forged in the Underworld or something.
And well Ares removed the Blades but he gave them to him soooo, They can only be removed by the person that gave him The Blades.(or otherwise Zeus would have took them from him).
Dante killed Gods. And Artemis slayed a Titan with The Artemis Blade. And Uranus was killed with a Sickle. And "Immortal" means they can't die from age. They still can be slain. Like I said THE BLADE COULD KILL DANTE. So he has to bring DANTE DOWN HARD for him to slay Dante. Same goes for Dante. He would defeat Kratos BUT it won't be hard. He's gonna have a hell of a time slaying him. (Because eventually he will outsmart him.)
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Yeah The Blades probably would hurt him. Because they did make those Steeds Horses move. Brung down the strongest of enemies. Blinded The Collosus/Removed a Hand from Collosus. Made Zeus shed blood.
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1. Where you talking about kratos when you said the collosus drained his powers? if you were, then i officially KNOW you didnt play the game. it was the BoO that took his powers, not the collosus. About the beowulf punch, you have to be joking when you think that puny little punch was stonger than the collosus hit. It doesnt matter if the collosus wasnt using his full strength. The weight of his hand alone + the force of the hand falling down was MUCH more than needed to be stronger than the beowulf punch. We should have a poll on which hit was harder, because i can gaurantee that the collosus' hit completly dominates that beowulf punch. And on top of all that, kratos wasnt paying attention at all, and he STILL didnt die. O, yea the anime doesnt count.
2. They maybe "divine" but the BoO is much, much more powerful than those swords. If Athena had gotten stabbed by yamato or anyone of dmc's swords i would gaurantee it would have been a whole different story. The BoO >>>>>>> Any Weapon In dmc
3. No, a while back in the argument you implied (which means you didnt directly say it) that dante could beat kratos in hand to hand because kratos cant fight hand to hand, which you wouldnt know because kratos always uses his blades.
4. We cant wait for gow 3 because there not just gonna let you warp through time, there not going to make it a gameplay mechanic. What your doing is avoiding the point. Mother gaia said it herself, he showed you that he can do it, so what more proof do you need? Thats the end of this part of the arguement, as you cannot see the proof that i have put directly in front of your face. ( the trailer was pretty sic )
5. Like i said before, just because he didnt need to slow down time doesnt mean he cant slow down time. All kratos wanted to do at the moment was take the titans back to his time with him, which he wanted to do, which he did. If somehow kratos got put in a situation where he needed to slow down time, he would have. But in the current situation he was in, he didnt have to do that.
6. Odin and zues/ares are completely different gods. Just because dante defeated odin, doesnt necassarily mean that he can defeat greek gods, which IMO are much stronger than the so called dmc "gods". Size doesnt matter in some cases. Like you said, the gods have enough power and magic that size doesnt matter. But they also had the power to turn big too. But dante has nothing in his arsenal to defeat the titans at his current size, and in this case size does matter. How are they supposed to be trapped in hell when hades controls it?
7. again, your avoiding the point. The golden fleece can not come off as easy as you say it can. He got thrown around alot during the game and it never budged. He has blocked many sword attacks, sister of fate attacks, and LIGHTNING and it still hasnt come off, not to mention the BoO attacks. So what makes you think that dantes sword is going to do any better?
8. Technically he is a mortal, but again, for the trillionth time, your avoiding the point. You say kratos can die by mortal things, yet his offensive abilites seem to be immortal. I know you didnt say this, but here is an example of what your sorta implying: Kratos' offensive abilites are off the charts, he has superhuman strength. But yeat he dies by normal mortal things? that makes no sense whatsoever. Its gonna take so many bullets to bring kratos down, by that time dante would already be dead.
Let me tell you my thoughts on both of them:
Brutality: kratos, by a mile.
Strength: again, kratos.
Speed: Dante, by a mile in movement.
Endurance: Kratos can take mountains more than dante, but with his regeneration i would have to call this a tie.
Weapons: Kratos, solely on the fact that he has 2 Weapons forged by the gods, and the other weapons (like the barbarians hammer, blade of artemis) are just crazy power houses. Dante does have some good weapons though.
Magic: Kratos, as in dante doesnt have many magic attacks. This category would surely close the fight, he has to many advanced and good magic for dante to win.
It would be a cool fight, but its obvious who will win. All dante can do is run from him, but kratos does have lighting bolts and wind tornadoes to track him down. And by the time that dante realizes that he has to move in for the kill, kratos' reaction speed is too good, and kratos would either: stab dante, rip his heart out for the sure kill, or use some other thing in his arsenal.
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Its not my place to find proof for you character, you need to prove that your character can survive, the blades of chaos/athena and most of Kratos; weapons would impact far harder than a sword and with kratos wielding them, his strength makes dante look a toddler.
Look, find the biggest Dante strength feat, otherwise your wasting the time of the debators here if your not even going to try and find any proof, your BS of "he hasnt shown his strength yet" means nothing, either find Dantes highest strength feat OR, submit that Kratos would completly obliterate him strengthwise, either way thats how you take into account strength in VS debates, you take the highest strength feat of a standard, and that is Dantes strength
A few cuts? not really, what proof have you got for this? one slash of BoC or Blade of Olympus (or one beam from the blade of Olmypus) and Dante gets splattered.....thing is from my statement, theres proof that even mortal Kratos (demigod rather) at his weakest has incredible endurance....like being crushed by the Colossus of rhodes and surviving....dante would have been crawling and whining helpless underneath....he cant lift it.
Because its gameplay genius, we dont use gameplay in VS debates since its not canon to the character, if you need to ask questions liek that learn to debate first, Royal guard? its basically a sword block, so he can royal guard all he likes...kratos turns his sword AND him to stone in that case....
lol slow as hell, youve obviously not played the games, although its true his foot speed is far lower than Dantes his combos are far more far reaching and vicious, a whirlwind of the blades of chaos would shred dante. And wouldnt know what Jackpot does? you reckon Kratos is the kind of guy whos just going to stand there and let Dante get off an attack so slow? lol....if you wanna bring character emotiosn into this Dante would prob be all cocky, walk up to kratos who would then stuff his fist through his face and Dante would fall lifeless...and headless to the ground.
Dante has endurance and durability? on what grounds? one sword through the chest and hes down for a good 5 mins..hes pathetic, he cant take a hit at all, his regeneration wil be useless, hes never regenerated a limb and Kratos could pull the guy apart with him bare hands..let alone without BoO and BoC.
From what weve seen Dante cant die? lmao....he is pathetic, being impaled fcks him up, he was incapaciated for a long time after the several times Vergil or otherwise has impaled him, Kratos doesnt even have to do that, call upon Hades army to rip Dante apart from his soul or simply use Gorgon stare and stone the guy...Dante has nothing but speed, and that advantage is lessoned by the fact all of Kratos' abilities work on a massive AOE, for example Gorgon stare can be done in an area, Atlas quake, Kronos rage etc etc.
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1.The Collosus had no God of War power in it and was just a regular statue. It wouldn't have killed Dante.
2.Alastor is Divine and Ifrit. Doesn't mean it will kill Dante in 1 hit though.
3.I'd like to see him in hand to hand.
4.He has to be in the mirror. Otherwise why didn't he just go back in time and go to the point where Zeus betrayed him(w/o going inside the mirror)
5.He still needs a Statue. Unlike Dante who can stop it with his mind.
6.Hell not Hades. Hades is easy to escape. How can you escape your own power?
7.It can block projectiles. The Royal Guard can block ANY ATTACK. The Fleece can't block attacks from The Blade. Besides I doubt The Blade can cut thru anything.
8.If he get's impaled he's already dead Alastor(Thunder Devil/God).
Brutality: Kratos
Endurance: Tie
Durability: Dante
Weapons: Dante. The Hammer is slow and the souls are kind of weak.
Magic: Kratos. Actually Dante can summon a few magic with Agni & Rudra and with Beowulf and Nevan and Ifrit and Alastor(Maybe more)
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1.Maybe he would. But if he can surive Yamato(Sparda's Sword)he can surive The Blades.
2.Dante doesn't have to do what Kratos does to show how strong he is. It's not about knocking down Minotaurs or ripping Gorgon's heads off. But Combos(gameplay here). So just because he doesn't do what Kratos does doesn't mean he isn't strong.
3.Please Krato's was weak. Crying? No Dante doesn't beg unlike Kratos who had to call upon Ares when the Barbarian King was about to splatter his ass.
4.Royal Guard can block any attacks. The Fleece can't it can block projectiles and normal swords attacks. I'd like to see The Fleece take bullets considering the fact that The Bullets can match up to the Fleece. Have you even played DMC3? You can BLOCK ANYTHING. And the RG can asorb attacks and use it against Kratos. So Eurayle's Rage wouldn't do anything but turn him into stone and Beowulf would break him in pieces.
5.And you don't think Dante can? He only can swing them for about what? 5 secs and he stops. Dante can easily stop time. He can get hit by Zeus' Bolts. He wouldn't shred anything. He isn't a Mortal unlike Kratos. And Kratos is slow. That's The Blades that's moving fast not Kratos. Aparently Kratos is the one who can't take hits.
6.He will get right back up. Unlike Krato's who would get killed. He got hit by Collosus hand and nearly died. And was getting crushed by Kraken's Tentacle. Until Gaia appeared as his wife and helped him(Upgrade to Rage of Titans). Krato's can take a hit aparently. He was weakened and got his ass owned and had to get help from Gaia. He only ripped a Rotting Carcase anyone can do that.
7.He would've been dead. And he was about to fight Vergil again. Unlike Kratos who has to get help from the Ares when the BK was about to slay him. Dante has Speed, Agility, Endurance, and Durability. Atlas Quake? Dante can jump up in the air. Cronos Rage? I bout it would hurt him.Eurayle's Rage? DT and fly in the air. And Shock him. Pandora, Gilgamesh, Beowulf, Yamato. Aparently you don't like Dante. But since you wanna get gritty(I like Kratos but since you wanna play nasty). And Kratos has to get help from The Gods/Titans(to slay Ares/Zeus). Without there powers he would be dead(and there help to escape Hades). It doesn't matter. As soon as Dante is struck he's healed. And since you wanna get serious. The Blades probably wouldn't hurt Dante. He would just laugh. Infact Krato's has no Devil Arms so he really doesn't stand a chance.
And The Collosus only DEVIL ARMS can hurt him. Besides Krato's is a Mortal and Mortal things can kill him. The only difference is that Collosus hand is bigger nonething more. It was just a normal statue(when GOW power was drained).
How can Krato's stop Spiritual Swords? Dark Slayer(he can easily teleport behind Kratos and impale him). Dante: Devil Trigger + Darkslayer Style + Judgement Cut = Ripping anything into 17 pieces. And Dante has gotten hit by Divine Attacks. So The Blade isn't any different. Besides he has Demonic Aura(telekenisis). So he could charge the shots back at him. Or just Asorb The Blade's power(helping Dante)using it again'st Kratos.
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ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P
How can he stop a Spritual Dante? Or Sparda Cannon?
1. erm now, explain that logic to me? one slash with Yamato impaling him to the wall incapaciates him for a fairly long time, how does that even compare with a guy far stronger than Vergil swinging a pair of chain blades like a vortex through Dantes body and turning him into chop suey?
2. Yes he does, combos are nothing to do with strength, thats tactics/skill, ime talking about raw strength, muscle power, its like your saying "dante doesnt have to show he is strong to be strong" when, yes, he does...otherwise its the same as me telling people I can lift skyscrapers but Ime not going to show it...
3. kratos was weak when? show me a feat comparable to the mortal, the weakest form of Kratos being crushed by the colossus of Rhodes performed by Dante?
4. Your talking gameplay again.....Royal guard is simply a sword block, thats all it is...in gameplay it can block certain things but its NEVER blocked a beam that can turn him or it to stone...
5. Again your talking BS gameplay, the maker of this thread put the real characters into this battle, gameplay mechanics mean nothing...otherwise kratos has "continues" if he is defeated? lol....what do you mean he isnt a mortal unlike Kratos? being immortal doesnt mean anything in DMC other than not dieing of Old age like it does in lord of the rings, Dante is broken by physical objects such as blades, show me Dante enduring something please.
6. Colossus hand>>>>>Yamato going through your chest, a human could survive Yamato in their stomach, just like any sword, albiet without medical attension they would die later but Kratos is no human, hes a Demi-God and has endured far more than Dante.
7. Dante has speed only, so far youve shown zero evidence of Durability, endurance. You doubt Kronos rage would hurt him? it would blast him to the ground and electrocute him to ash...
so what if he needs help from Gods? he has their powers now and the blade of Olmypus...so what he required earlier is nothing, Dante needs his weapons to win, as does Kratos, problem is kratos' are far more powerful. Thats false, no time in the game is dante struck and heals instantly, the only time he has a real healing factor tbh is gameplay in his Devil trigger state, other than that a lot of the time he has wounds on his body for a fair duration before they are fully healed. Devil arms? lmao....he doesnt need them you fool, hes got massive lightning bolts, ebony and ivory are pathetic for starters they cant even break human made pool balls in the beginning of DMC 3, their pathetic like a lot of Dantes weapons.
The hand of the Colossus of rhodes is an empowered metal construct weighing tonnes and powered by Zeus, it far outweighs anything Dante has been hit by 100 times over, and you know whats really funny? Kratos was in his weakest form when he was hit....now hes had all the tonnes of powerups from the blade of Olmypus and the other titans AND regained his power he is far beyond Dante and his weapons.
Swords? Fleece....they can stop magic projectiles and lighnting, lame floating sworsd which are fairly slow even to kratos' standard would never be a threat.
What divine attacks? the blade has the incredible power of Zeus and one blast created a melted hole in the colossus metal body, Dantes tiny frame would shatter.
Quicksilver is on a very limited duration and stems from the same power Devil trigger does so no "DDT Majin form" or charge attacks.
by the time hes frozen time hes prob got little time to do anything to Kratos thats worth doing, his puny swords and weapons will not slice through Kratos who can survive Atlas' strength, Colossus of rhodes (at his weakest), by the time you get to the equip Gilgamesh/bewulf part Dante is screwed since by then Quicksilver would be over and Kratos just punches Dante in the face, knocks him out and turns him to stone...
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1.It wouldn't do anything. He would just laugh and but Ebony and Ivory on Kratos.
2.If Krato's is so strong why does he struggle to lift up doors then? Like I said we haven't seen his true strength.
3.Probably the only time he was weak. And in CoO when Charon(I think)dumped him in Tartarus.
4.He only blocked a beam. Why are you throwing cutscenes in here? But when I do you get mad? You didn't make the thread.
5.Like when Krato's was about to get killed when Gaia had to help him(when the Kraken was about to crush him). He can't get hurt by Mortal things. IF that's in the case rocks can kill Kratos.
6.He's a mortal. And it seems he was nonething until he called upon Ares. And he never has been called a DemiGod.
7.Fire can't hurt him. Desperation Devil Trigger?
8.That's stupid he needs his weapons? He can't even defeat a God without using other Gods powers(Like he had to go God-To-God to defeat Ares and for Titans to kill Zeus). Hell he couldn't even defeat Collosus without using The Blade. Actually he healed. When Dante put Yamato in him. When he got his hand cut. When Alastor went thru him(he didn't feel anything)and when Trish throwed the Force Edge at his heart with Her power. You mean patheic like how he has to use other God's magic? Like patheic like the weak wind and atlas quake and lighting?(Rocks, wind and lighting). 4 little magic.
It wasn't powered by Zeus. Because he had drained the power from it. He didn't gain his power back. Dante was weak when Vergil stabbed him but he was ready for another fight.
Why couldn't it stop Zeus' lighting when he was big? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0fz...feature=related @ 3:10 Divine Attacks like that. Then why can't it kill Cerberus, Minotaurs, Gorgons, Cyclops, etc in 1 hit?(Which Sparda's Cannon can)
Play DMC2 when his health is low he can go Sparda DT.
If you wanna be like that saying it's "limited" Krato's magic is limited then. Unless Urns/Infinite DT are allowed. Why are you trying to dodge no "DDT?"
Atlas was weak when Hades' ripped his soul out. Knock him out? Stone him? How can he do that if he uses DT? He already got punched by Nero/W Devil Arm(I think)20x he would just laugh at his little fist. Kratos has NONETHING to kill Dante with. He can stab all he wants he will just laugh. Still answer my question. How can he stop Spritual Swords(which can't be blocked), Spritual Dante?
ok.. what would you guys think would happen if dante does these: Quicksilver-stop time- do Round Trip (either on Rebellion, Sparda Sword, Alastor) Trickster- get in front of Kratos.. Equip Gilgamesh/Beowulf activate Doppelganger.. DO REAL IMPACT .. finishing it off with DDT MAJIN FORM.. Charge Attack = owned! phew! :P Or hell even unleash 1000s bats(blood sucking lighting bats that stick to him like leaches)or unleases Giant Cannon on him.
Dante's swords arn't normal.(if you think they LOOK normal)if that's in the case Ares was killed with a Normal Sword.
DarkSlayer(Teleportation), Yamato/W JudgementCut, Ifrit, Beowulf, Artemis, Rebellion, Vendetta, Merceless, Pandora(666 Weapons), Alastor, Beowulf, Agni & Rudra, Cerberus(which he can summon ice crystals), Sparda's Sword, Force Edge,etc.
Dante sealed away omnipotent beings, slew immortal gods, felled legions of demons and angels, all without breaking a sweat. Realistically speaking, there are maybe two dozen characters in all of fiction that actually stand a chance of challenging a full-power Dante.
1) Dante slew Lucifer (A feat easily comparable, if not superior to, slaying Zeus, which Kratos has yet to do)
2) Dante can take 10,000,000 hits way better than Kratos can take one - check out the DMC3 intro scene to mission 1, where Dante gets stabbed like 6x and doesn't even notice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGv5w3kCVHc
3) While Kratos has power while holding the Blade of Olympus, standing next to a statue of the (now dead) Athena, and with a Titan...
Dante has dimentional seals.
Dante's gonna grow bored with the target practice and slam Kratos with a Jackpot/Eraser seal(In Hell--not Hades). In Greek Myth Hades was a cavern.
Dante CHOSE an eternity of torment at the end of DMC2, and fought his own way back out. He wouldn't need their help and would find just an easy time slaying lower level fiends like the harpies, and even higher level demons like the Furies, as he did slaying Argosax the most poweful evil God. Dante's Spiral has 10,000x range. Even if he does slow down time Dante is still fast. Kratos wouldn't be able to lift his blades(or would he). Slaying Lord of The Underworld? Berial?
Sparda Trigger/Sparda Cannon/Jackpot (Eraser) Seal would most probably tear Kratos apart. I don't remember what I said about The Blade but it might or might nor(which I doubt)hurt him.
Dante has fighting Styles.
(Don't forget the Greek Gods carried Mortal Bodies and died easily by getting impaled).So maybe Mundus wasn't AS powerful as Zeus. Argosax was. So was Odin. The Archangel isn't exactly a pushover. And let's not forget Satan! Just a few of the Gods and Deities Dante's utterly stomped in his long God-slaying career. Kratos controls time? So? Dante does, too - The Bangle of Time and Quiksilver.
Dante's devil blood make him an instant master with any weapon that has any affiliation with the divine or the underworld instantly - in this case, the Blades of Chaos/Athena. He'd be just as good as Kratos in a billionth of a second just by holding them. And if Kratos were strong enough to do that (Dante's stronger with Ifrit/Beowulf/Gilgamesh), Dante still has range over Kratos.
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I'd like to see Krato's slay a Titan(which Dante has done). Kratos has killed what 6 Gods?(3 Sisters of Fate--Which Dante ALSO KILLED, Athena--Accident, Ares, Persephone)
Dante-Atlas, Gaia, Typhon, Berial(Lord of Fire Hell), Argosax(Lord of Underworld, Argosax, Satan, Odin, Fate. probably many more.
Dante can take more attacks than Kratos. All different types of Blades went thru him(that includes blades from the Underworld--So BOA wouldn't be different)and he was fine. In Human Form. There's no telling what he can do in Devil Form. Besides BOTH can control time. So it really wouldn't work. Dante slays God and Angels. Odin was worser than Zeus(Zeus was God of Gods--Lighting God). Odin(God of God--God of War, Death, Music, Culture). And he has yet to slay Zeus.
If Kratos' control of Fate was truly so all-powerful and unbeatable, then Zeus wouldn't have gotten away from Kratos, nor would he have survived his encounter with the Sisters of Fate in the first place.
Dante easily dispatched of Odin, who, by their every mythos, is infinitely more powerful than Zeus, who merely reigns the skies and hurls ion bolts. Odin commands the Odinforce - the cosmic well of energy that shapes and reigns our universe according to his will. Zeus had nothing on Odin, and Dante screwed the later over big time.
And let's not forget that the Greek "immortals", who are simply a more powerful species of human and can't control the cosmic web of the universe
Dante controls time and space with his mind alone, let alone the Bangle of Time. None of Kratos' weapons can even hurt Dante, it takes a Devil Arm even to damage him. If Kratos tries to grapple Dante, then he's just making himself an easier target for Dante to put a bullet in his head. And Kratos has no Devil Arms to hurt him(and i'm shure it wouldnt).
Dante can stop any harmful effect, can turn invincible, can severely cut into damage taken, can parry blows, can battle spiritual threats with his own magic, and protect himself with magic barriers. Respectively, Royal Block, Dreadnought, Devil Trigger/Demon Aura, swordsmanship, Nevan/Cerberus, among other defensive effects. You have forgotten Royal Guard/W Dreadnought can block any attack.
Dante proved that Tornadoes, big rocks, AND lightning do nothing at all to even impede him, and a bullet will still kill a mortal, which is what Kratos is, no matter how much you can lift. Kratos has powerful magic, but it's not THAT powerful. It was not his magic that could contend with the gods, he had to always use brute force/item.
Immortal means not dying of age. Uranus was killed with a sickle. So God's arn't invincible if that's what you think.
Dante is more powerful than Sparda(and has defeated the power of Sparda once or twice).
BTW, the games themselves confirm Dante as Sparda's superior. Dante defeated Vergil at his Full Power.
Strength doesn't matter. Sometimes Speed>Strength(David vs Goliath?)
Dante traveled, and he slew this wholly evil being that was once a chief angel among God(Satan).
How can Krato's survive something that slayed the most powerful God to exist(Jackpot killing Argosax in 1 hit).
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Gods can only be killed by another God. That should be common knowledge, but it was also said in the first God of War. I agree though, It would be a hard fought match for Dante to win. I actually think Kratos would rock Dante's shit but again i think it depends on what his powers are. without the power of a God , Dante could just keep Kratos at bay until he drops him with his guns.
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1. If you put dante in kratos' position, yes it would have. remember, when kratos was actually trying to fight the collosus, it wasnt that much of a problem. But all im saying is if dante, while not paying attention, got hit by the collosus just like kratos did, it would have totally splattered him everywhere. If dante was paying attention to the collosus, im pretty sure he would find some way to kill it, but then again the same thing goes for kratos.
2. your avoiding the point. im trying to say that getting stabbed by the BoO isnt the same as getting stabbed by any other sword. You say "kratos is weak because he got stabbed by a sword. dante got stabbed by a sword and lived" which means nothing. The sword dante got stabbed with and the sword kratos got stabbed with are waayyy different in power levels. The BoO isnt just a normal sword, so pretty much anyone getting impaled by it isnt going to live.
3. We have wait to see that. But until then dont say, or imply that kratos cant fight hand to hand.
4. Stated by someone else earlier in the arguement, when he did take the titans back in time with him the loom chamber was demolished, so how could he use it? And im assuming the reason he didnt go back in time before zues betrayed him is because it was either these 2 options: 1) go back in time and try to fight zues (what you claimed he should have done) or 2) do what he did, got back in time and get all the titans on his side, bring them to his side, and have a major advantage. Thats why he didnt do your idea, because his was better.
5. Now your just talking in circles. Did you see him use a statue when he used time control at the end of the game? no. And he couldnt have use the loom chamber because it was destroyed. So there is only one other option: he did it with his own power. The only two options you had are now gone, i gave you proof of mother gaia saying it, and kratos did it in the game that you claim to have beat. If thats not enough proof for you, then obviously your blind.
6. Isnt hell the same thing as hades in gow?
7. The fleece can block a LOT more than just projectiles. And how would you know if royal gaurd can block anything? half the stuff in kratos' arsenal dante hasnt even faced, so you wouldnt know if can block it or not. As BT has said, well never know if dantes "royal guard" can block a laser beam from medusas head, which is pretty much impossible since the beam would be touching his hand, which would turn him to stone. The fleece can block the BoO attacks. And I dont care what you doubt the blade can or cant do, if you cant prove the blade cant cut through anything then it doesnt matter.
8. Which he cant even do that, because of kratos' insane reflex abilities.
Brutality: your right.
Endurance: kratos can last much longer than dante can.
Durability: Close, but i have to call it a tie. If i had to choose, maybe dante due to insane regeneration.
Weapons: kratos. the only thing bad you had to say was on 1 weapon? ya know i named more than one weapon, so you saying only 1 bad thing about 1 weapon proves to me that kratos does have the better weapon set.
Magic: kratos. Dante does have a lil magic, your right.
Did kratos even have god powers when he beat ares? I thought all pandoras box did was make him giant. And kratos has long range weapons too.
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Last edited by Sappho on Dec 18th, 2008 at 04:28 AM
1. Thats nice, now give me reasons.....your just making a statement, its like me simply saying "kratos one hits Dante with the back of his hand" and not backing it up.
2. Weve seen Dantes maximum strength feats, and they are far weaker than Kratos, you obviously dont understand how debates work, you compare feats. Kratos lifts far larger than doors, hes lifted many monsters, overpowered teh Hydra by a long shot, and even pushed apart Atlas' fingers.
3. Dante was never dumped into Tartarus.....
4. Cutscenes is what characters are, cutscenes are whats important, your using gameplay, do you think Royal guard would stop Galactus from the Marvel universe just because it can stop a shadow creature in DMC? your talking gameplay, stop talking gameplay or lose all creadability
5. Theres no statement that says Dante cannot be harmed by mortal things, show me this please.....and stop ignoring my posts, I asked you to show me dante surviving something impressive like Kratos has done at his weakest, or are you not capable? if so then concede.
6. Yes he was lol, youve not played GOW 2? you dont know Kratos is the son of Zeus? lmao....sorry but your rediculous and highly laughable. Your trying pathetically to debate a character you dont know anything about and it seems you know very little of Dante as well.
7. Ime talking electrocution, not fire wally lol....Desperation DT? show me this evidence bring up a cutscene or text telling us.
8. Thing is Dante cannot defeat anything without his devil arms....so your taling a load of crap and rubbish aint ya? kratos uses God weapons to kill gods, Dante uses devil arms to kill devils....thing is the Gods in GOW are far more powerful than most if not all the enemies in DMC. The Savior is the only thing that comes close to GOW characters and even that is fairly slow and its most powerful weapons are limited especially by range and speed. A blast of lightning which blasts enemies is far more powerful than ebony and ivory which cannot break human made pool balls lol....thing is Euryales head can turn Dante and his equipment to stone in one blast lol.
lol wtf, Dante was weak almost every time he was actually hit, he gets impaled with Vergils sword on several occasions...hes weak and incapaciated..pathetic, he gets blasts by Mundus shards, he falls and loses his Devil Trigger....he just cant take a hit at all. Wheras Kratos is crushed while being his weakest form as a Demi God, lost most of his power and survives tonnes of bronze smashing on top of him....
Thats not divine...thats just the saviour fireing blasts of energy, like he is more of the game, like the Sistsers of fate (3 of them) use regulary on kratos...not to mention thats gameplay which is at most a non factor lol.....stop using gameplay, its irrelvent, only the non gameplay elements are relevent for a character especially gameplay mechanics
lol when his health is low he can do that form? in gameplay
What a moronic thing to say, Dante, Mundus and most of the DMC universe would be destroyed by Hades soul ripping chains...so saying Atlas was weak by being defeated by it is a foolish thing to say at best.
Nothing states Dante can only be harmed by devil arms show me this evidence if you belive it to be true.
No dantes swords are not normal, most of them are devil spirit swords empowered by demons or otherwise, but their weak in comparison to Kratos; arsenal.
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Dec 16th, 2008 07:06 PM
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