The Hulk may stomp, but there is no proof that should allow anyone to give him the win if they have yet to fight. The only thing that I can say is that the Hulk better be on the level, or this could be short lived. At his recorded strongest, the Hulk would crush him. That isn't saying much for the way that the Hulk has been portrayed currently/recently. The Hulk's weakness lies in taking him out of the fight before he is ever able to match strength limitations or exceed them. If we were to truly remove PIS, the only way that the Hulk wins against someone INITIALLY 1000's or more times stronger than he is at base, is if the much stronger character gives him time to ramp up to his level. If I was in a fight, and knew this, I would absolutely destroy the guy before he ever became a threat.
I doubt BM is even 1.2x (nevermind 100..x) stronger than "base level" Hulk.
Whatever nonsense Aaron, Waid etc did, we have "excuses" given in the comics, since then, that say Hulk iterations have varied in power of late (ie under Waid and Aarons).
Currently we have Doc Green being able to instantly pour it on and in a very focussed way, as demonstrated in his fight with the Swamp Thing like creature.
And we have new "Savage" Hulk, who happens to get infinitely strong and infinitely intelligent and develop TK at his higher ranges ...
Remember Hulk has punched asteroids and braced mountain ranges without any ramping up. And these are feats of legitimately weaker instances of Hulk.
I'd need to see evidence of current Hulk having problems with his normal rapid/instantaneous amping, to consider that a "thing".
Also, going back to WWH, remember how Hulk was constantly moderating his power output? How he could have a back and forth with Colossus, The X-Men, Wolverine, Warpath etc... Without killing or KOing any of them.
Yet, when he felt like it, he could take out ZomStrange with three punches or threaten to break the continental shelf with a step.
Hulk taking his time beating up Thing or Herc or Thor is not indicative of his "base level" and amping speed as just Banner/Hulk moderating his output to not harm them severely.
The now classic example is how Hulk ended Red Hulk. A long to and fro, with Rulk looking like he was gonna emerge victorious, Rulk even applying his energy absorption powers to amp from Hulk's own gamma stores, leading to a nuclear mushroom of power output ... Only for Hulk to end him with a simple and easy ThunderClap.
Hulk has stated, in the past, that Savage Hulk was like an adolescent Hulk, not even that powerful, that as he grew older he grew more powerful (I think this is from Tempus Fugit, but might be another story that took place on Nightmare Island).
The Hulk has a base level which has always been below Thor's strength. If not the Hulk would pummel the mess out of Thor from the onset. What you're used to is the PIS in comics. It's not always CIS that is used to suspend belief. In their fights, Thor should have always trashed the Hulk from the door. The Hulk lost his fight with Sungod, because he was not given the time to ramp up. What is there to prove? Do you want to begin denying the hulk's power set? What are you saying here Carver? The Hulk's base is not high Herald level, If it was, a high Herald like Sungod wouldn't have rolled him out like he did. The Hulk would have been at his level of strength, and he would have began surpassing him. This shows us that the Hulk's base strength is well below that of a high Herald mark.It also makes mention of this in his handbook entry, concerning how he starts out in a calm state, and how long it takes him to ramp up. This isn't WW Hulk Green Scar that we are talking about here. And Doc green has literally no feats, except for his run in with A-Bomb.
Let's pick A-Bomb apart. Ares was pushing him around.
@Janus. my response to you is here as well. The Hulk has a base level which is below the high Herald strength tier, and he has always had one except for in his Green Scar days. There he had high Herald strength at the onset of any given conflict. There's more than enough proof that this is the way that Marvel has the Hulk operating as. giving him the win, when they have not fought, or claiming anything to make BM look bad in order to give the Hulk the win, is also wrong. Like I said, nothing stops the other guy from beating the hell out of the Hulk if they knew that his base level is well below theirs. BASE LEVEL. Denying this just seems like an excuse.
^You forget that on KMC Hulk starts out at somewhere far above his base.
It has never been fully explained (some nonsense that showed up to placate the Hulk fanboys in my absence), but apparently Hulk starts out at an average of all his high showings or something, and yet still retains his ability to grow stronger.
'Base Hulk', a major factor in almost every Hulk story, doesn't exist on KMC apparently
Then Sun God blasts him with a full dose of eye blast. If you call that a beat down, then something is wrong with you. He didn't roll through Hulk. Like I've told you for the nineteenth time, Hulk was on an antidote that messed with his mentality...we don't know what levels he was at when he fought Sun God. It's funny that you keep bringing up that fight but forgetting about the other people loses that you are using against Hulk. If you do it again I'm posting scans.
Stoic, this is the thing. I don't care about your opinion. What i am asking you is, prove that Hulk starts off below high Herald strength wise. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor and has not destroyed him in a fight from the onset. That's what makes Thor a high Herald. Wraith is stronger than Superman and has not destroyed him in a battle from the onset. That's what makes him a high Herald. Your concept of things is what worries me.
Now I'm going to ask you again, prove, PROVE that Hulk base strength is below High Herald. This is a simple request. You clinging to Sun God isn't helping you. Blue Marvel got destroyed by Hyperion, Thor got taken out by, I'm not even going to name all of his losses for the past yr...He losses though.
Hulk slaughtered Ares and tanked a blade from Ares that went through Zeus. Please provide scans of every showing you are mentioning.
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I agree with you. Now if we could only share the light with others.
The Hulk becomes tougher, the stronger he becomes. All of his physical stats raise with rage, but if he isn't at the level on time, he's still weaker than the level he has to be on, to actually win against someone far above his calm state. This takes time, and when dealing with forces faster than he can ramp up, it's no mystery why he doesn't lose more often. The Hulk would need some sort of time dilation devise to allow him the time that he my not have. Can you tell me what the Hulk's base level is currently at?
Carver let me ask you a question. Who do you think would win in a fight between Pagan, and classic Abomination? He used to do the exact same thing to the Hulk, when he had a mind, the difference between Living Blonsky and the zombie Blonsky is that one stopped to chat, and the other would not until he was dead. If the Avengers weren't with him, he would have died IMO.
That's another instance that he failed to become stronger than his opponent due to time restrictions placed on his power. WB Hulk would have peeled Zombie-nation with ease. This directly shows that he has levels of power. Carver i believe that the Hulk would stomp Blue marvel, if Adam allows him the time to ramp up. This is something that should get a mod ruling on. What is the Hulk's official Base strength? I'm arguing about averages, you even know what I'm talking about, but still you ask for scans.
Lol at you agreeing with Kris, he hates Hulk more than anyone. Back on topic...again, what are basing this off of? Provide scans. I understand that you feel like Hulk doesn't start at a certain level and I disagree based off showings. Also, lol at Hulk taking time to ramp up his strength. A smiling Hulk was able to support a mount twice the size of the Appalachian when it was thrown on him. Does that sound like it taking time to you? Please provide evidence and stop giving me your assumptions of things.
Well...he punched Sentry into orbit when he got pissed.
He's a VERY smart guy.
EVERYBODY knows the Hulk.
He has the strength to do it, the intelligence to consider it as a tactic, and the experience in fighting to do so. Hell, he might even do it accidentally when mad.
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Hulk slaughtered Ares and tanked a blade from Ares that went through Zeus. Please provide scans of every showing you are mentioning.
