The Big Bad of ANH was Tarkin, who used the Death Star to kill worlds. They followed it up with ESB, and Vader, which didn't feature anything that potent. Yet ESB still told a great story and ESB is Vader at his most villainous in the OT.
That's cool if you want Snoke to be > Palps, but he doesn't have to be to tell a good story or to command the Starkiller Base.
That's why I said of the trilogy as Palpatine was the big bad of those three films. That's all subjective and in esb we found out Vader took orders from someone else.
I'm not even sure Snoke is the big bad but if he is I feel he should be more powerful IMO. He doesn't have to be the same kind of political manipulator but when it comes to personal power this is something I'd prefer.
BTW, I've been skimming through the first episode of the Citadel arc and, again, the Separatists are portrayed to be vastly more formidable against a vastly more capable enemy than the Empire has been against the titular rebels.
TCW had its shortcomings, but Rebels could learn a thing or two from it about beefing up the bad guy... as sad as that is.
What episode did you watch? Vader wasn't outsmarted, the ships commander was since he gave the command to activate the tractor beam. Vader had no way of knowing he was going to do that, and would have shot the Ghost down if the Commander hadn't been trying to get brownie points and f*cked up in the process.
Not really, Ventress, Dooku & Grievous achieved numerous sucesses throughout the Clone Wars, all Vader, Tarkin and GI have managed to achieve combined is drive a 5-man team of Rebels of Lothal. Though granted Vader soloed a fleet, but he fails to carry the group I feel.
But I agree with Wolf here, plot armor is a factor in there failures. There isn't enough fodder for them to stomp, and they can't pull the "Palpy always wins" card. (Although it's also just poor writing) Which is another factor tbh, Palpy always wins.
Those three also have less losses combined than any single of the Separatist villains you mentioned. More importantly, none of them have any terribly embarrassing losses, like Dooku getting captured by pirates or Grievous getting captured by Gungans. Furthermore, GI has defeated Kanan on several occasions and he and Tarkin managed to capture Kanan. So to say that's all they managed to do is quite silly. They've had other victories as well, just none as resounding.
Last edited by ares834 on Dec 4th, 2015 at 07:00 PM
Seeing as Kanan then proceeded to escape and the GI perished as a result, I wouldn't say that is a victory. My point is that overall they failed to defeat the Ghost Team, despite being the Empire's best, the only victory the protags didn't recover from being driven off Lothal.
The idea that they've had less losses combined, compared to the Seps, if that is even the case, would only be because the show has fewer seasons.
Last edited by Beniboybling on Dec 4th, 2015 at 07:11 PM
Not when you consider the contexts, the Empire threw everything they had at the Ghost Team, literally their three most senior agents, and the best they managed to do was capture Kanan, learn nothing from him, and proceed to have him taken back, and lose the GI in the process.
Sure it's a victory, but not a great one, and considering the sheer number of advantages they had, pretty sad.