Look, dude. I didn't make this up. I always thought that kind of relationship between two technologies is rather irrelevant.
And yes, the original take was that Vader was the big, undefeatable bad guy. Speed was never an issue in this. Lucas turned him into a feeble cripple by means of the PT.
I'm with you buddy. Like I said, too technical on the physics. Luke vs Vader was always More about Luke saving his Dad cause there was always good in him......
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Vader was defeated in the first film. Granted it was a dogfight but Han bested him. He was also handily defeated by Luke in Rotj. He was an imposing villain but he was never close to being undefeatable. He didn't really have much competition since he took on a geriatric Kenobi but speed has always been a deficiency.
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i find this argument silly, only because we all know damn well that if ep4 was filmed today, kenobi and vader would have been doing all kinds of kung fu shit complete with crazy leaps and backflips. dooku & palpatine both put the squash on old age equalling slowness, and general grievous ended the unwritten bionic=slow rule.
with that said, i always liked the (EU?) idea that vader's suit was dreadfully uncomfortable to him, agitating his constant rage and making him all-the-meaner. i mean, it's not like he just had his limbs cut off. his flesh was also grilled by lava. not exactly superficial.
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Vader's movements in the new rebels series are also the same as he was shown in the first three eps. We see Luke was not slow. Old age does equal slowness but they can always use the force to make up for their older bodies but Vader is also older and in a suit. His suit doesn't equal to Grievous' suit. Can he twirl his hands like Grievous does ?
Vader is still portrayed moving in the same manner in today's times as he was back then. Rogue one will leave Vader fans no more excuses. Special effects are up to date and I'm betting he won't be zipping all over the place.
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i hope you're kinda correct quan. "kinda" meaning that i don't want to see kungfu force-unleashed vader. at the same time, i don't want to see the old hobbled geriatric that you're obviously hoping to see.
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He wasn't hobbled he just wasn't quick mobility wise. He's quick with a saber. Trust me I'll be right since rebels has his movements relative to the same speed in the Ot films.
Which is better than the silly ballets that, battle wise, don't make any sense at all, anyway. Any PT Jedi would be slaughtered by a real swordsman, with all their twirling and dancing.
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It would broaden the SW universe more to get away from that whole era and every previous characters lifespan, except perhaps Yoda.
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