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Too bad Dooku would get ragdolled by Yoda
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I don't care about how vitiate downed revan, I'm talking about it being stated that valk is far nore powerful than novel revan. Even prior to ziost he was far more powerful per accolades/out of universe statements
So you admit there's no quotes saying Valkorion is far more powerful than Revan?
This one: "Revan travels to a very iconic Yavin IV to go to battle and release the actual Emperor, one we thought who was defeated not long ago. The player is pulled into this struggle of two of the most powerful Force users, like ever, in the history of the Old Republic, if not beyond - Revan and the Emperor."
Revan and Vitiate were locked in a war of wills before the protagonist arrived on Yavin IV, suggesting some form of parity. The conflict was at such a scale that the Force itself seemed to intervene, although obviously not to the extent of Darth Plagueis and Palpatine's multi-month war it. The Hero of Tython received Force visions and its ships coordinates were mysteriously altered on a path so that the conflict could be resolved, suggesting this war of wills was a great enough galactic threat that the Force itself had to actively get involved. Nothing Dooku has done has ever provoked the Force in such a way.
Scourge also compares their knowledge of the Force here: "Like Revan, The Emperor understood the Force in ways Scourge never would."
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Last edited by Jaggarath on May 7th, 2017 at 11:42 PM
1.There are, but they aren't out of universe and are from darth marr, who's word I'm going to be giving weight to given the lack of evidence suggesting otherwise.
2. That quote doesn't suggest jack about revan being close to valk.
3. Dooku never engaged in a battle of wills with anyone for 300 years so the point is moot
4. Yet again, doesn't remotely imply parity or near parity.
Darth Marr's never been in a room with Revan, nor does he know anything about Vitiate's true power besides overblown Sith propaganda.
Using it as any measuring stick is beyond laughable.
Yes it does? Revan being in lock-step with Vitiate on Yavin IV suggests some form of parity with him.
If Revan's completely outclassed by Vitiate, he's not doing that.
Lmfao. This isn't the three-century mental war. This is years after that.
And completely missing the point regardless: Dooku has never been a galactic threat warranting the Force's intervention.
In contrast, Revan was perceived by the Force as an existing and all-pervasive galactic threat, and then after clashing with Vitiate, forced it to intervene.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
Not as laughable as what you're using. There's also revan ceding his own inferiority to an extremely weakened version of valk.
WTF do you keep brining up vitiate? Regradless, it means nothing. Valk and Revan aren't actually fighting. Furthermore Revan isn't even fighting valk, he's fighting an extremely weakened version of him. The "struggle" being referred to isn't literal anyway.
yet again terrible comparison. Aside from it being speculative, as dooku never engaged in a mental battle with say a vitiate level powerhouse, you have no grounds to compare dooku based on what revan did. If the force is getting disturbed by revan, it may well be because revan's trying to resurrect a galactic threat(not in terms of actual combat). Its also possible that the hot being a powerful user as he is forsaw what revan was going to do, not because of revan's own power, but because of the events he was about to help ochrestrate.
Regardless, its utterly meaningless in comapring revan to dooku
Revan and Vitiate being locked in a battle of wills, while not a direct fight, is still a gauge of their raw Force might, hence why they note Revan and Vitiate are two of the most powerful characters.
You falsely claimed there are statements saying Valkorion is far more powerful than Revan, but none exist that are remotely credible.
Revan is significantly more powerful than Dooku in both the offensive and defensive realm. Dooku can't handle Revan's raw power, which is capable of ashing a Sith Lord that displayed greater power than Dooku frankly ever did. Nor is Dooku penetrating Revan's defenses between his tutaminis, which can easily handle Dooku's lightning, and his Force of Will, which will absorb any telekinetic attack Dooku dishes at him. It's a completely one-sided fight.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
Last edited by Jaggarath on May 8th, 2017 at 12:46 AM
Wasn't really what I was implying - it was more along the lines of: have we ever actually seen this power in practice, so we know the bottom line, or upper limit of said ability, or are we just basing it off a single paragraph and using it to draw our own line in the sand about how the aforesaid ability would interact in practice?
That's the thing - how does one actually deduce when ones will. supersedes a specific attack in potency? We're comparing physical damage to a metaphysical concept.
May 7th, 2017 09:34 PM
