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Luke's standing next to Vader
I recently perused through Fact File #120 and found something interesting.
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Luke is stated to be more powerful than peak Vader as of RotJ, and DE Luke is "immensely" more powerful than that. What are your thoughts on these quotes?
Because of his rage that sent him over the edge to best Vader which made him more powerful as even Sidious noted that in the movie. Luke wasn't more powerful as he was normally. The quote is more directing at the final blows, not the whole thing.
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I don't recall the Emperor ever comparing Luke and Vader's power in the movie. On the contrary, the quote is stating that the Emperor expected Luke to be more powerful even before the duel began, making no special note about rage.
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The Emperor isn't saying Luke's hate made him more powerful than Vader. He's saying Luke's hate made him powerful.
If the Emperor expected Luke to be more powerful, he must have obviously known how strong Luke roughly was. In TESB he states he can feel Luke growing in power from across the galaxy, and in RotJ he says "he has grown strong" to Vader, while Luke was on Tatooine, so it's pretty apparent the Emperor has been observing Luke's power level for the past year through his Force Senses. His insight then led him to expect Luke was more powerful than Vader. Nothing about Force Rage is implied anywhere.
Just because Luke happened to be in an enraged state when he bested Vader doesn't mean he couldn't have beat him normally, or that he wasn't more powerful. Luke didn't want to fight his father until provoked, so obviously he's not going to prove anything if he doesn't want to.
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Luke admits he was less powerful than Vader in The Courtship of Princess Leia, although I'm inclined to call that into question given how the guy runs from droidekas and thinks he can't beat a few wild beasts in his Grandmaster years.
In SoM, though, Cronal muses Luke is more powerful than Vader, and Kar Vastor opinionates that Luke is better than Windu. Though their worth is debatable, of course.
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The quote doesn't say the Emperor expected Luke to tap into his rage, or that he expected Luke to be more powerful than Vader when tapping into his rage. It simply says the Emperor expected Luke to be more powerful than Vader.
Regardless, this gets even muddier when you factor in how Luke felt he would have fared against Vader's force powers, how Luke fared against Gethzerion's power, and then the various quotes implying Vader > Gethzerion.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
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The impression I get from those is that they refer to political power.
Besides, Sidious outright feared Gethzerion's power and IIRC, barricaded Dathomir so she wouldn't escape. That's more precautions than he ever took against Vader.