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Originally posted by King Kandy
Nvr can't even go seven days without KMC... That's so sad and yet funny at the same time.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Tell me you didn't just use the Marvel.com site as evidence

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And that was not what I was asking . I was asking the issue where it says the gems might destroy everything because of the context .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , I want the issue so I can see the context in which this statement is made . I haven't exactly read this one yet so I can't pronnounce myself .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You think Reed doesn't know the difference between Universe and Multiverse or Omniverse ? That's even more laughable .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Just the fact that they can create a Universe from scratch still makes them , logically , Universal .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If they can create a Multiverse from scratch then they would be Multiversal otherwise they are just Universal .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As for the one with destroying all realities , I'd certainly like the context , since I can't pronnounce myself without reading it . Just an issue number would be fine .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Just the fact that he turned the UN upon it's bearer you think makes it Multiversal ? Not really , not by a longshot .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
If the attack would have been stated to destroy the Multiverse ( Since it's destruction area variates) and the IG would have overpowered it ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
not turning it upon it's bearer which could mean many things .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Merging two Universes is Multiversal ? No ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
merging two Multiverses is Multiversal not this .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's still Universal since it implies Universal manipulation .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The last scan again says Universal . It's like you are posting evidence in my favor

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , I really hope you're not using the Marvel.com site as evidence .

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Originally posted by Hercules
Did I miss something, is Nvr back?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And you do realize that Absolute Omnipotence means that he is stronger than the Living Tribunal , right ? Absolute Omnipotence means being able to do anything and nobody being able to surpass you , only in the best case match you .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Did you just ignore my evidence ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The fact that he considered himself the Supreme Being in all the Universes means how exactly that he has Multiversal power ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This just proves that in each Universe he would go , he would be unbeatable but in no way does it prove he has Multiversal power ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
especially since he states in the same scan that he has Universal power .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's logical that all the gems combined posess more force than one gem , but it's still Universal .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Universes , not Multiverses . It's still Universal power .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I haven't read all the arcs but I do know what there is to know about their power

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's not stated in that scan that the attack could have taken the Multiverse . Besides , as I pointed out , it didn't overpower it , it turned it upon it's bearer , and even if he did there is no proof that he overpowered a Multiversal attack since it isn't stated that it can take out a Multiverse .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It must have different power outputs otherwise the area which it destroys will be the same ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And again , it can be debated if it destroyed a Universe or a Multiverse .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
But none of this matter since , as I said before , IG wasn't shown to be stronger than UN , it's just stated that it turned it on the user of the weapon ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
and at that time the attack wasn't stated to be able to destroy the Multiverse .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
That analogy is pretty illogical ,
especially since turning the weapon on it's bearer could mean many things .

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Originally posted by Kutulu
I just thought it was an odd coincidence that he was banned on Aug 15th, 2007,

and then ban extended on Aug 17th, 2007 (for SOCK'ing ),

yet Erik-Lensherr was created on Aug 16th, 2007 (right after his initial ban)

and discusses in the same manner that Nvr uses.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Didn't you say it was Absolute Omnipotence ? How can anyone be above it ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
There's absolutley no specification of what method he would use so you're just assuming .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Using Marvel.com site as evidence , again ?
That's rather funny and sad at the same time .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , it says Absolute Omnipotence ? Then nobody would be stronger than him , and at best somebody would be able to match him , not more .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You're assuming that it isn't , when nothing is stated .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I could say the same . You're twisting statements and events to suit you better without any conclusive evidence besides some statements which can be interpreted different ways .

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Originally posted by Mr Master




Intransigence.







I challenge you to prove the UN comes in different levels of power.

Good luck.


Again, one can tweak the scale of nullification, but nullification is still nullification,
whether you're taking out a mouse or the Multiverse.



Sure it can.

With intransigence by one's side,

any idea can be forced into one's own mind.







It doesn't matter what it was able to destroy.

It's the UN ... and the same ENERGIES than can erase a Multiverse,
came out of the UN directed at Magus,
and Magus PWND those Energies.

Simple, effective.



It's obvious!




You use a sock-account and even the sock doesn't indulge in Comics.

Nvr, when are you going to start READING COMICS to debate?



Actually you're the one speculating.

I quoted the LT ... nothing more.

You on the other hand are still making using fantasy scenarios to debate.

LT said, Rune would conquer his Multiverse with the IG,
and perhaps his own (LT's) aswell, period.



Funnier than watching someone using their ass as the source of their info?

I rather think not.



READ Marvel COMICS please.

Different levels of Infinity is Marvel.



Again,

the 4 Gems were going to destroy the Omniverse from OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse.

The 616 Reality resides within the Prime Multiverse.


So how the heck is the cause of the destruction a 616 chain reaction,
when the collapse would start OUTSIDE the Multiverse the 616 Reality is in?



READ COMICS!





You got nerve.

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Better than using none an/or concocted fallacies as evidence. erm


Anyhow,

Everyone knows the Ultraverse is located in a separate Multiverse.

But I wanted to show you straight from the horse's mouth.

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What need of "context" do you want?

The on panel proof is clear except to a scorned pride.

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Ultraforce/Avengers Arc.

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The entire known Universe is the Omniverse ... especially to Reed.

Who's like the only cat (and FF)
that has travelled beyond the Omniverse (Marvel Universe) into Heaven.

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"a universe?"

More like UniverseS ... back to back ... stacking them on top of one another.

Again with your sound logic
(creating MANY UniverseS from nothingness makes one a universal power)

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Dude,

a Universal power can't surpass One Universe's influence.

So how the heck is creating an Infinite amount of UniverseS ... Universal?


This is getting funnier by the quote.

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Ultraforce/Avengers Arc.

Knock yourself out ... then return with more agenda minded speculation.

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Nah,

it just shows that an INCOMPLETE IG is more powerful
than a weapon that can ERASE and REMAKE a Multiverse in an instant.

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The potency of the attack with the UN is the same whether your using it on a single individual,

or on a Universe or the Multiverse itself.


Same action ... Nullification.

Same result ... target nullified.

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No it doesn't mean many things.

It only means an INCOMPLETE IG >>>>>>>>> UN

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It's a Multi-Universal feat.

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Actually that would be a Multi-Multiversal feat.

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Universal manipulation is Universal.

Manipulating THREE UniverseS and merging TWO of them,

is a Multi-Universal feat.

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This is a LIE.


"My Takeover of your Actuality,

USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units,
would have taken Hours to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now,
such as MAKING YOUR Universe MINE"
........................................................................................................

Where does it say anything about "Universal?"

Magus said, "Making YOUR Universe mine"
because he just MERGED 616 with a duplicate he created,
this was accomplished with an INCOMPLETE IG.

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What you can assure yourself of is this,

I won't be using my own fallacious perspective as evidence.


I use On Panel proof first...
and Official Handbooks ... Marvel.com ... Marvunapp sources
that COMPLY with the On Panel evidence.

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NOT in Marvel.

In Marvel there are different states of Infinity and/or Omnipotence:

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This is how Marvel, the company that creates these characters measures INFINITY

(You don't like it? Cry Marvel a letter see if they care)

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Yea, because it doesn't exist.

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Another trick question.

And actually "ALL UniverseS" = the Omniverse.

Nice try.

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Ok, it should end here with this nonsense, but I'll see how far the jokes go.

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"limitless power over ALL THAT IS"



Yea, Thanos made it very clear he only had "universal power."


"Let it be known that Thanos of Titan declares himself the Supreme Being of this and ALL Universes!"

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Nah,

ALL the Gems homie ... ALL 6 Gems are NOTHING to the IG if not combined.

This again proves you're debating a subject you know little to nothing about.

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It doesn't matter what it was able to destroy.

It's the UN ... and the same ENERGIES than can erase a Multiverse,
came out of the UN directed at Magus,
and Magus PWND those Energies.

Simple, effective.

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You use a sock-account and even the sock doesn't indulge in Comics.

Nvr, when are you going to start READING COMICS to debate?

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Actually you're the one speculating.

I quoted the LT ... nothing more.

You on the other hand are still making using fantasy scenarios to debate.

LT said, Rune would conquer his Multiverse with the IG,
and perhaps his own (LT's) aswell, period.

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Funnier than watching someone using their ass as the source of their info?

I rather think not.

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READ Marvel COMICS please.

Different levels of Infinity is Marvel.

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Again,

the 4 Gems were going to destroy the Omniverse from OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse.

The 616 Reality resides within the Prime Multiverse.


So how the heck is the cause of the destruction a 616 chain reaction,
when the collapse would start OUTSIDE the Multiverse the 616 Reality is in?



READ COMICS!

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You got nerve.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Aren't intercompany crossovers non-canon ? Not saying that this one isn't canon , but I'd like proof that it is .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually that's not better than anything since it doesn't count as evidence .



I've obtain the issues so I'll read them later and reply to you tomorrow .



Aren't intercompany crossovers non-canon ? Not saying that this one isn't canon , but I'd like proof that it is .



It's logical that Reed knows that there is an Omniverse , and that's the problem here . If he truly have reffered to the Omniverse , he would have said so , but he specifically used the word Universe .



So because he merged a Universe with another means he has Multiversal power ? What kind of logic is that ? He didn't stack a Multiverse a top of another , he stacked a Universe . That's the difference .

And creating Universes means he has Multiversal power ? How exactly ? Did he create Multiverses ? No . Did he create Universes ? Yes .



A Universal power can't surpass One Universe's influence ? You just pulled that out of nowhere ?



As I said , I want evidence that this is canon , not necesarilly that I'm saying it isn't , but I want proof



Not really , it just shows that it turned the weapon which can debatabley destroy and remake a Multiverse , upon it's bearer , which can mean a multitude of things , not to mention the fact that the weapon in that instance wasn't stated to be able to destroy a Multiverse .



It's pretty logical that in order to erase a Universe or a Multiverse you have to use more power than to destroy a single individual .



This is rather funny . It's like you aren't seeing the possibilities , you're just keeping your possibility as the correct one .



It rather depends if it's even that . Even so , this still doesn't prove that it has Multiversal power .



Again , this depends on the method emplyed to merge the Multiverses .



Actually that rather depends on the method he used to merge the earths .



He says making your Universe mine , so this doesn't exactly prove anything about Multiversal power , in fact it shows only Universal power since the word Universe is mentioned .



As long as you don't use sites as evidence and only canon comic book material I'm fine with it .



There is no degree of Omnipotence , Omnipotence itself implies total control . It's just that the writers use it too much to hype the stories when in fact I can just prove that most of the characters called Omnipotent in Marvel aren't .



Actually this explination is rather logical if you have the capacity to comprehend it . Here , I'll explain it to you how I did with somebody else who used this .

Consider a character that has infinite control over Electromagnetism , and also consider a character who has infinite control over Gravity . Now , consider another character who has infinite control over all four fudnamental forces , Electromagnetism , Gravity , Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force . The powers of the first 2 characters , infinite as they are , are contained within the 3rd power , who is thus stronger .

It's rather a simple concept to understand , and Marvel explained it very simply .



You mean the fact that it is stated in the very scan that it's Universal power means it doesn't exist . Are you even reading what I say or just simply type stuff like this to look smart ?



And this proves .. what ? In the same scan it says the he has Universal power , just because he is unbeatable in every universe he goes doesn't mean he has Multiversal power .



So now you're just ignoring the counter argument ? Good work .



You must be really desperate if you start repeating what you've already posted and what was already refuted .



Combined , they still have Universal power .


I'm gonna skip the other so called "counter arguments" where you use only smilies because you haven't really contribute to the discussion .



In order to destroy more than a single person , the Universe for example , there is necessary to put more energy into the attack . That's rather logical . Besides , as I pointed out numerous times , turning the attack upon it's user can mean many things .



Feel free to ask a moderator to scan my ip . I haven't talked to this Nvr guy you keep mentioning my entire life .



Now you're just repeating everything all over again ?



I actually use the information that's shown . And logic .



I already explained the concept . Move on ..



First you'll have to show me evidence that it's canon . And second , you're just repeating what you've already said , so I'm not gonna answer it , again .



Funny

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually that's not better than anything since it doesn't count as evidence .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I've obtain the issues so I'll read them later and reply to you tomorrow .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Aren't intercompany crossovers non-canon ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not saying that this one isn't canon ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
but I'd like proof that it is .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's logical that Reed knows that there is an Omniverse , and that's the problem here . If he truly have reffered to the Omniverse , he would have said so , but he specifically used the word Universe .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So because he merged a Universe with another means he has Multiversal power ? What kind of logic is that ? He didn't stack a Multiverse a top of another , he stacked a Universe . That's the difference .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And creating Universes means he has Multiversal power ? How exactly ? Did he create Multiverses ? No . Did he create Universes ? Yes .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
A Universal power can't surpass One Universe's influence ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You just pulled that out of nowhere ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As I said , I want evidence that this is canon ,
not necesarilly that I'm saying it isn't , but I want proof

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not really , it just shows that it turned the weapon which can debatabley destroy and remake a Multiverse , upon it's bearer , which can mean a multitude of things ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
not to mention the fact that the weapon in that instance wasn't stated to be able to destroy a Multiverse .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's pretty logical that in order to erase a Universe or a Multiverse you have to use more power than to destroy a single individual .

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Originally posted by Mr Master
The potency of the attack with the UN is the same

whether your using it on a single individual,

or on a Universe or the Multiverse itself.


Same action ... Nullification.

Same result ... target nullified.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This is rather funny . It's like you aren't seeing the possibilities ,

you're just keeping your possibility as the correct one .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It rather depends if it's even that . Even so , this still doesn't prove that it has Multiversal power .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , this depends on the method emplyed to merge the Multiverses .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually that rather depends on the method he used to merge the earths .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
He says making your Universe mine , so this doesn't exactly prove anything about Multiversal power , in fact it shows only Universal power since the word Universe is mentioned .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As long as you don't use sites as evidence and only canon comic book material I'm fine with it .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
There is no degree of Omnipotence , Omnipotence itself implies total control .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's just that the writers use it too much to hype the stories

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
when in fact I can just prove that most of the characters called Omnipotent in Marvel aren't .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually this explination is rather logical if you have the capacity to comprehend it . Here , I'll explain it to you how I did with somebody else who used this .

Consider a character that has infinite control over Electromagnetism , and also consider a character who has infinite control over Gravity . Now , consider another character who has infinite control over all four fudnamental forces , Electromagnetism , Gravity , Strong Nuclear Force and Weak Nuclear Force . The powers of the first 2 characters , infinite as they are , are contained within the 3rd power , who is thus stronger .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's rather a simple concept to understand , and Marvel explained it very simply .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You mean the fact that it is stated in the very scan that it's Universal power means it doesn't exist .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Are you even reading what I say or just simply type stuff like this to look smart ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And this proves .. what ? In the same scan it says the he has Universal power ,

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
just because he is unbeatable in every universe he goes doesn't mean he has Multiversal power .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So now you're just ignoring the counter argument ? Good work .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You must be really desperate if you start repeating what you've already posted and what was already refuted .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Combined , they still have Universal power .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
In order to destroy more than a single person , the Universe for example , there is necessary to put more energy into the attack . That's rather logical

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Besides , as I pointed out numerous times , turning the attack upon it's user can mean many things .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Feel free to ask a moderator to scan my ip .
I haven't talked to this Nvr guy you keep mentioning my entire life .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Now you're just repeating everything all over again ?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I actually use the information that's shown .

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I already explained the concept . Move on ..

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Originally posted by Mr Master
I already posted the cover of the Ultraforce/Avenrgers Arc #1.

Made by MARVEL!

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Originally posted by Galan007
The "Ultraverse" was created by Malibu comics.

Marvel bought Malibu comics, making Malibu comics part of Marvel.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Not really any different then Vertigo being a DC publication.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It's not that hard to understand lol.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
True,

but Malibu has nothing to do with Marvel since 1994 when their line was purchased.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
btw.

I thought Vertigo was non canon to DC nowadays?

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Originally posted by starlock
But i do have a thought...when magus used the IG against quasar

Magus used the gems to mess with quasar's mind,

and turned the UN against himself

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Originally posted by Mr Master
If Black Alice can steal Spectre's power, and then ravage Reality with it including Spectre, then she is more powerful than Spectre.