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killerarg
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is there only one matrix ?

I don't think so!

At least, there are two

one: where every one lives, where they go to "fight"
two: where they think that they are free

If not, how do you explain the end ?
Neo stoping medusas
Smith inside a human "head" ?
Mmmmmhhhhh

A little stupid, but the best explanation, right ?


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yeas..this has been discussed. Personally i think there aren't two. But i can't explain neo's doing.
If there were two..why should the machines bother destroying zion 6 times already and loosing 250 000 batteries every time?

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only 1 matrix. has to do with smith, part of him came off onto Neo and part of Neo onto him. that explains why the "human" smith was the only survivor from the counter-attack


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Doesn't explain how Neo stopped the sentinels

I think there are 4 matrices.


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Re: is there only one matrix ?

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Originally posted by killerarg
I don't think so!

At least, there are two

one: where every one lives, where they go to "fight"
two: where they think that they are free

If not, how do you explain the end ?
Neo stoping medusas
Smith inside a human "head" ?
Mmmmmhhhhh

A little stupid, but the best explanation, right ?


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/show...mp;pagenumber=7

At the bottom of the page was my best guess for the ending.


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What i meant to say, Tex, is that just as Bane was unconcious and the only survivor of a massive sentinal attack, Neo too was in that same condition. Why of all people would only Bane survive? The answer is because he has been over taken by Smith. Smith/Bane stopped the sentinals that threatened him, just as Neo had stopped the Sentinals that threatened him, Trinity, Morpheus, and Link. Smith and Neo have a very strong connection between them. I'm sure we'll get to find out what it is in the next movie.


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I WANT ANWSERS NOW!


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I agree with Killerarg, but I wouldn't be suprised if there wasn't another level of the matrix.
I think some fans of the Matrix movies won't be happy with the answers when they get them.

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1 Matrix but Zion is within the Matrix

The answer to your quesetion Dexx, is in the architects conversation with neo. He said that 99 % of subjects accepted the Oracle's 'choice program' The other that didnt accept it needed to be removed form the Matrix to prevent them making things worse.

The theory goes that those that didnt accept the 'choice program' were removed and placed in zion thinking that they were free and that they were out of the matrix so their minds were no longer a threat to the first Matrix. The architect also implies that this is cylical and has happened 6 times before, ie that the choice program is flawed and there will always be 1% rejection.... hence Zion was setup within the Matrix to 'quarentine' these people.

My 2 cents ...

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Smtih being in the real world has absolutely nothing to do with Matrices within Matrices- it can easily be explained without the need for such things, as has been done elsewhere.

If Zion were part of the Matrix then the humans there would not have ACTUALLY had the choice that is vital for the Matrix to survive. It is not in it, the real world is real, and Neo stopping the sentinels is merely the third in a line of impossible things Neo has done.


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Maybe Zion is a matrix because both Neo and Bane were in some 'unknown' coma after being affected by EMP - indicating that they are some sort of electronic program/machine.

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I'm agrre with nopy, there are two matrix. Otherwise there is not sence to kill the Matrix source. What is the unplug all the humans at the same time?, every one will be killed or awaked. There is not enough food and place for every one, in case they keep alive.

I guess the world as we know is still out there and the machines are not as threafull as they are in the Matriz or Zion. So, on the liberation day, they will awake in the real and intact world... or what about if they allways have lived in the Matrix and there is not such world...

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Two leveled Matrix is interesting thing, as it is compatible with story of rebuilding Zion (otherwise it would be stupid). Also it is great explanitaion how Oracle can pridict things, although they are dependent on the 2nd (whatever iti is)l world events.

Still I don't find any guarantees that the Architect is not lying about Neo v6. I regard that as some kind of system protection. Just like agents. Agents were there two physicaly stop Neo, and now new obstacles should make human stop believing (well they partially succed - Neo and Morpheus are despered after he came back from Matrix)

Also, Neo has no purpose in a circulated Matrix. People rebel even without him - actually it is not that he found someone, but he was found, also almost noone believe in him

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Re-building Zion in the real world is not stupid at all.

The idea that is now going around that part of Neo's mind remained in the Source may also obviate the need for Matrices within Matrices. If part of Neo is still in the machine's mainframe then he would be able to affaect the Sentinels.


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The answer to your quesetion Dexx, is in the architects conversation with neo. He said that 99 % of subjects accepted the Oracle's 'choice program' The other that didnt accept it needed to be removed form the Matrix to prevent them making things worse.

umm..no, that doesn't seem to be the answer to my question at all, nopy.
If Zion is within a matrix, they don't seem to not be accepting the program. So they're not making things worse for the system.
So the machines are destroying the city, with it's enhabitans, their ..'fuel'...REASONLESS... Just to respect some routine?

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Indeed, the idea Zion is another Matrix is exceedingly tenuous.


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Right, from now on ALL talk on this subject goes here, not spread across half a dozen other threads.


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I agree with Nopy.
I can't wait to see who's wrong.

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How would making them think they were out of the Matrix help? They would still subconciously reject the programme and cause it to crash. Only their ACTUAL removal would work as a form of quarantine.


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First of all: hi there!

I'd guess Zion represents the choice which has to be in the Matrix for people to accept it. Blue - Red: stay - leave.

It has to be one big Matrix. Even if there still is a part of Neo in the Mainframe, how would he be able to communicate with it when he is supposed to be outside the Matrix?

Neo is the one who is going to figure out they're still plugged in.

All IMHO of course smile

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