1. Prep = 30 seconds, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.
2. Anything that is within the tourney rules is acceptable for your prep time, but keep in mind the time restrainst.
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TheKahn wrote on Aug 13th, 2006 12:21 AM: Opening Strategy
Now that each team will only get 30 seconds of prep we will use our time very efficiently. Each of our characters will have no more than two tasks to accomplish during the prep time.
First, our team will share certain memories among themselves:
The SS will copy/absorb all of Hal's memories/experience/training as a GL as well as the aspect of his personality that grants him such a strong will. SS could easily absorb and understand all of this information: http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sstpty7.jpg
As a telepath of the highest order, Max should have no trouble absorbing and understanding the vast bulk of the information sent to her. And she will also be able to use her Green Lantern ring (which she will recieve shortly) to help her process the information and directly scan Hal's mind if necessary. Here an amnesiatic Hal does just that. http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?im...plosion33cx.jpg
Next, Max will share with Hal all of the memories/experience/training she has relating to using and controlling Superman-level strength and speed. Again he too can use his ring to streamline this process.
Memories shared, Hal generates 11 copies of his ring and orders 9 of them to attach themselves permanently to Hal's other fingers and the other 2 to attach themselves permanently to Max and SS. Creating copies of rings is nothing new for Hal: http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ern031117jr.jpg
Lastly in prep, our team will erect the strongest GL shield covering the entire team they can (reinforcing them with their own powers where applicable) making sure that the shield does not block telepathy.
While this may seem like a great deal to do in only 30 seconds, one must keep in mind that each of our characters only have one or two tasks to accomplish and the transfer of telepathic information is almost instantaneous.
Once the battle starts Maxima and Hal will very quickly begin to carry out a few actions behind our shield while the Surfer will monitor the other team with the combination of his Cosmic Awareness and GL ring (which will again allow us the opportunity to react and adjust to what the other team is doing if need be):
(1) The instant the fight starts Maxima will begin to telepthically assault Thor. Not only is Maxima one of the most powerful telepaths in the DC universe but Thor has proven himself vulnerable to telepathic attacks/control before...
Under such a powerful assault, Thor will be lucky to remain conscious much less be able to make any type of attack.
(2) At the start of the fight Hal converts his DNA into that of a Kryptonian (I should point out that he would already have multiple rings at this point as well) something he can easily do. Hal has scanned and manipulated Superman's body several times before.
(All of this will take only a few seconds at most as the DNA alteration and generation of solar energy only require Hal to will them to occur)
Our team will then scan the battle field and teleport to engage our opponents. GL Maxima will teleport over to the disabled Thor who is collapsed in pain on the floor from her telepathic assult to finish him off. Which will not be difficult for her given her Superman-level physical attributes and her GL ring.
Either way Ray is dead within a few moments of the fight. All his powers can be countered with Hal's anti-energy and if he remains in his human form, Hal has a near unlimited ways to finish him off.
GL Surfer will deal with Cyborg Superman. The problem with Cyborg Superman is that while his cyborg half is very tough, he is still limited thanks to his organic half of his body which was based on Superman's physiology.
I set the poll for 6 days, which means it will close around 5:45 EST next Saturday. To avoid confusion like we almost had last match, as soon as the poll closes itself, it is closed to voting. Participants will have until the end of Saturday to post strategies, but observers who wish to vote will be asked to doso prior to Saturday evening.
Additionally, the poll will be opened for voting sometime Tuesday.
Anyway Yahman, it wasn't me making those assertions. I was posting on behalf of Leo and Kahn because they PM'd me their opening strategy. The words were Kahn's.
And beyond that, you're more than welcome to not believe anything either team argues for or against. And once the poll opens (Tuesday) you can vote accordingly based on your opinions. In the meantime, this is a tournament and they're welcome to attempt any strategy they think is possible (within tourney rules and limits).
Well that's not very fair, no debate has started and one team has 4 votes, I'm saving mine.
"Forgot my woman, lost my friends
Things I'd done and where I've been
Sleep in sweat the mirrors cold
See my face it's growin' old
Scared to death no reason why
Do whatever to get me by
Think about the things I've said
Read the page it's cold and dead" - Thrawn
Right, but I annoucned that I'd be starting the poll Tuesday when I opened the match, so it's GF and Psy's fault for not having an argument up by now (they've been online, so I'm assuming it's not a time issue).
Prep : Ok we start up with Henshaw turning Ray’s Human form Kryptonian , he can do this quite easily with his mastery of Kryptonian genetics and their genetic codes. He also eliminates the k-note weakness from him (again thanks to his knowledge of Krytonian genetcis) Now we have Super-ray !
Cyborg transforms the ‘cyborg’ part of his body into Uru (with the same functions and abilities that it’s always had , it’s just made out of Uru now not kyrptonian alloys) simply by touching Thors hammer he can do this( sort of like creating a construct but only doing it to ones self)
Ray creates permanent skin tight yellow force fields (think Supes bio electric aura ) around all three of his teammates and also bends the light around use making us invisible (More about this from Psy)
Ok , let’s kick this baby off were invisible so what do we start with ?
Cyborg splits off a few fraction’s of his consciousness and they go off on a ‘round the globe trip’ picking up as much tech as possible . In a matter of minutes…perhaps even A minute they arrives back (boom tube tech picked up from Apocalypse) in the forms of 200 foot tall battle mechs filled to the brim with lasers , sonic weapons , disintegration beams and various other weaponry (Missiles , Machine guns etc etc etc) ..oh and their all tinted a bright canary yellow, even the mech. .
Proof of the ’taking over machinery and multi body’
Of course our team is still invisible so all the enemy can see are giant ass robots firing upon them , their attacks upon the mechs will be rather ineffective (Yellow tint makes it ‘impossible’ so to speak for the rings to hurt them )
Of course that would only really matter if their rings were of any use to them , you See while this is all happening (or perhaps even before it , it’s all about perceptions you see) those rings have been destroyed
How you may ask ?
Why Thor crushes their hands with his awesome gravity manipulation skills , a few thousand newtons (I believe newtons are how you measure gravity ? ) fall directly upon Maxima’s , Surfers and Hal’s hands.
Their rings are crushed beyond recognition ( Hal simply stamping his reduced it to pieces so this much gravity will reduce it to dust) it will also turn Hals hands into mangled lumps of useless meat ( I and my team mate will give our opinion on how being able to ‘transmogrify’ your Dna into a kryptonians is incredibly difficult let alone impossible , but even if you could you wouldn’t have soaked up NEAR enough sun for it be of any use, remember clark’s powers didn’t emerge till he was in his late teens and he’d been within the suns rays for a HELL of a lot longer then Hal) Surfer and Maxima I’m unsure about , their hands may still be useful..a little sore but aside from that.
Hals sun dip idea while good is also useless as Thor can easily drain the radiation he creates …as could ray ..or even cyborg supes . READY PEOPLE *Soup Nazi voice* NO SUN DIP FOR YOU !
To put it quite simply Thor kills Surfer , no ring and no pansy assed ‘power cosmic’ will be able to stop him. Norrin can have as many ‘soul searching’ hippie fest comics as he likes but he will NEVER top the God of Thunder.
Hal is (basically) a human and get’s his head knocked clean off by Super ray or get’s stomped on by a mech or …hell let’s just admit it . The man is about as useful as a chocolate teapot here.
Maxima then get’s owned by Cyborg Superman , Mental powers are difficult to utilise when your being …
A. Shot at by various mechs
B. Trying to use them against a being whose part Machine and part incredibly resistant (Supes has uber tp resistance)
C. Getting gang raped by Ray and Thor (In a non literal sense)
Maxima falls and with her so falls the cosmic caballeros .
Or to put it more simply
1. A few pico seconds into the fight : cyborg splits his consciousness before going on the ‘round the world tour’
2. First few seconds into the fight : Thor crushes their rings.
3. 7 seconds into the fight : Cyborg attacks Maxima and will invariably win being her superior in every sense.
5. 10 seconds into the fight : Thor attacks Silver Surfer killing him within 1-5 minuties
6. ???? Seconds into the fight Ray kills a ‘human hal’
7. 1 minute into the fight : Mechs arrive and start laying a beat down on any living opponents.
Like ^he said The Ray makes a permanent skin tight yellow force field around all his teamates that automatically bends light. Thus making his teammates invisible.
At which time the 30 seconds should be up.
Now if my Kryptonian transformation goes well (and I have no reason to believe otherwise) then I go to make short work of Hal.
I'm not entirely certain how strong the Ray would be as a Kryptonian but since he is partially made up of solar energy then I would have to tell you that he's going to be fully charged and ready to go right off the bat. That's when I close the distance against Hal.
As far as Hal turning Kryptonian. More power to ya. I hope you succeed. I'll just leach all that excess solar energy right out of ya, and don't worry about trying to defend yourself from that maneuver. Solar energy is my bag baby. I'll have you back to a powerless human in no time.
Which brings up an interesting point. Rings can be broken. In the event that Thor's little gravitational squish doesn't work; I'm going to close the gap on you real quick and break the ring in your bare hands. Leaving you totally helpless. If you try to avoid I wish you luck because I'll be moving speed of light fast and I'm invisible. I'm certain you'll have trouble avoiding me.
Well, after that I punch Hal or blast him and he's done. Now on to more important matters.
Maxima is getting kicked around a bit by Cyborg but I decide to lend a helping hand. Luckily I'm Kryptonian and therefore mostly resistant to tp. So that would be Cyborg Superman + The Ray/Kryptonian = 1 Dead Maxima.
Afterwards we swarm Silver Surfer (if he's not already down) and that's game. We win.
Monitor what ? You can’t see us and cosmic awareness only works on what facts you would need at that very moment , unless you want to pull a genis and go wide screen with the CA , causing surfer to go insane .
Not that it matters much considering the rings will be dust , rendering the ‘shield useless and all of you previous plans going straight out of the window
A. Maxima is getting beaten like a red headed step child by henshaw , he has the speed , the strength and the durability to take her out , she wont be able to even concentrate long enough for her telepathy to do anything .
B. You see the first two scans , they would apply if Thor still had Donald Blake inside of him (Which he hasn’t) and was also caused by a weapon not by the creature itself it just utilises it’s ‘remaining power’ . Secondly Morgan Le Fay is a sorceress , that’s magic not telepathy. Big difference
Those (Maxima’s telepathic assualt ) scans show nothing of Importance , she takes down a gorilla (Orion ) whom as she states focuses on only his psychical body. So it would be the equivalent of mind raping a average person , the second scan is her taking out Angle Supergirl who ALSO has no Psychic defenses and the finale makes me laugh . It’s Captain Marvel ..a guy who’s basically a child in a mans body…now there has have quite a few mental issues about that…..
Not that it matters much because guess what Mjolnir can do ?
Yes people , Thor's hammer can reverse a Psychic attack- see Thor #428. Oh but if it DID somehow hit (which it wont ) Thor has resisted the Mind-Thrust Of the Colonizer, the Mind Blast of the Super-Beast- THOR-#135, and resisted a Mind-Storm Blast that the Beast, Iron Man, and most especially Moondragon could not-Avengers-#138.
Heh , now this would be pretty damn cool . If it wasn’t for the fact that you can’t do diddly without your rings which are now green dust.
Also your evidence sucks , turning someone into energy and then back again doesn’t mean you can turn yourself kryptonian it simply means you revert them to what they ocne were. Think of it like this , you type out a sentence in Word and then click the ‘Undo typing button ‘ your not creating your simply reversing.
Secondly the ‘discovery’ isn’t the impressive considering that all the rings have a universal databank /cpu type thing within them . It’s the equivalent of you wondering what type of wheat is used within your bread and then searching for it’s ingredients on wikipedia.
Finally Hal ‘turning himself into a robot’ isn’t that hard , it’s simply creating a robotic duplicate of himself with his memories in it. Think Robotman from doom patrol.
Nor, might I add will your shields block light. Unless you want your people to be flying blind. If light can get in then I can hurt you.
That’s fairly ludicrous but even if you do succeed then I’ll just suck all the solar energy out of you and your accomplices giving me more power than before. That’s my bag baby. It’s what I do best.
I dare you to do that. Let’s see what happens when the Ray gets a hold of all that energy.
Fair enough. Teleport by me and then you still can’t see me and I move fast and have superman-ish abilities. That just makes it easier for me to snap that ring in your hands. First I’ll drain you of solar energy, then I’ll drain what heat I can from your body then I’ll break your hands and ring.
As far as anti-energy is concerned…it might work if I was made completely energy. That being he dispersed is a pure energy being. I’m only part energy; it’s kind of like giving my energy an anchor in the real world. So you won’t be dispersing any of my energy today.
I swear. A guy turns into a pure energy form once and everyone expects you to do it from then on. I don’t need to do that because I have more than enough muscle to take you on right there.
Say, speaking of counters. You know what I thought of the other day? Hal’s ring emits light. All of his constructs emit light. Why…that’s fueling the fire isn’t it?
I just get a constant feed from you by sucking all the light energy from your constructs and what-not. I’m feeling better already.
I don’t think anyone will be “sun-dipping” today. Not with the Ray on the playing field. Not even the mighty Silver Surfer. Combined with Thor’s energy sucking abilities, there won’t be any one on that team with any solar energy left.
No , it needs hal to think of it and THEN will it. It doesn’t matter anyway because your rings and your team-mates rings are destroyed so you can’t ‘sundip’ or ‘block ‘ any elements (Not that it would matter even if you could , Thor being able to drain any Solar energy you create or store within your body)
Maxima’s being beaten to death by Cyborg Supes and her ring is non existent .
I’ll leave this to my partner since the ray is his character ,
Surfer’s taking an ass kicking from THE GOD OF THUNDER !!!! The scans are proof enough that Surfer will die .
Nice scans , I also have two you’d like. One where Hyperion say’s he can kill Galactus and another where spiderman say’s he can kill the hulk. Once again folks don’t believe everything a character states
Cool , so Surfer can do this without a head ? Or are you forgetting that he’s dead. Or perhaps that Cyborg can simply turn himself ‘Full Metal’ (No blood seal here folks) and then punch out Surfer with his Uru body (which soaks up ambient magic like a sponge , coincidently enough Surfer has a weakness against magic )
Kallark is the marvel universes ***** , WOLVERINE beat him . Plus that is cosmic awareness (useful…but not when your getting your head smashed open like a Gallagher melon)
That scan is bogus , it doesn’t state that it’s Solar energy and you can visibly see the energy radiating from Surfers hand in the last panel. Try again
Once again He can simply turn his body full metal . Not that it matters since ..well…surfers dead