Nate Grey: Both
Beta Ray Bill: Galan007
Silver Surfer: KK
The battle will take place on Hoth.
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).
Does anyone remember how Nate ended up in a catatonic state, temporally losing his telepathy along the processes? Ah for those who don’t know, it comes from the fact that Nate was actively using his soft psi when a massive disturbance in the astral plane, hindered Earth telepaths across the globe . Folks I mention the following, because its no different then to now. Nate is once again utilizing his soft psi to maintain that psi link with his group (which requires accesses to the astral realm), unaware of the fact that Charlie placed a major disturbance in our opening strategy .
At first I thought, “cool feat” it hinders X-Man’s telepathy, but mind you being the fanboy that I am, remembered this particularly event. Charlie’s opening act does not only hinder telepaths, but K.O. them if caught in the middle of the astral disturbance. No God Blast required.
Onslaughts Durability - Apparently Charlie has a glass chin, but is that really the case, or is this just a ploy to misinform? Lest ignore Charlie has shields up. Lets ignore Charlie now counts on the Silver Surfer’s silvery substance for some added durability. Lets ignore that the scan used, where those when Onslaught was toying around, the moment he got serious they where put in their place. .
Well that’s a lot of ignoring wouldn’t you think? The Fact is, partial reasons for some of Charlie’s weak moments are due to Xavier restraining him . The moment Charlie rid himself of Xavier, he became more powerful . Proof of this, is the fact that he took the combined bombardment of the following, and got right up: Thor, Loki, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch, FF4, Logan, Namor, and Ironman. . No my friend your mistaken, Charlie has taken some heavy blows right on the chin. Thanks to the Herald power set, he is now a fortified tank.
I can understand why you would fear Cosmic Charlie. We are talking about a character that succeeded where the terrifying God Blast failed. And that’s wrecking Juggs.
I am completely flattered that once again, my opposing foe’s aim to take out Charlie first. This lets me know, the danger Charlie posses to your team. However I have noticed some discrepancies. Starting with the “God Blast”, now you wish to come into the battlefield ready to fire it at Charlie at the best opportunity. Yet you are playing a vary dangerous gamble.
Here are my following observations.
- Our interference on the psi plane, shunt’s X-Man of his soft psi with Nate effectively out of the picture. With out X-Man psi protection it provides Charlie a window of opportunity to launch numerous forms of mental assaults. At this point, we have a better chance to connect a mental assault, then Thor’s God Blast.
- With the disturbance in the Astral Plane, it knocks out those daunted Psi-Armor provided by Nate
- Charlie EM, can snatch those hammers right off their hands.
- They cant hit, what they cant see…not unless Thor wants to shoot blanks. Thor needs to make visual contact, which will prove to be task thanks to our psi hurricane.
- They cant defend, and attack at the same time. They depend on the hammer to track us down, the hammer to shoot energy, the hammer to block attacks, and the hammer to absorb energy. They cant possibly do all four with our team sniping them. The recent Siege proves the fact, with Thor’s inability to do all while Iron Patriot, and the U-Foes shoot him down to his near death.
- Photon could vary well absorb that God Blast. Remember his Nega bands, can absorb a Galaxy worth of energy.
You see you cant just “Bill & Ted” your way into victory. This heavy reliance on an external item (teams mallet) hinders your team. It really does not help that Bill & Ted need to “swing thy hammer once, twice, thrice“…just perform a single action. But if your so incline to do so, we can provide you with the surfboards . Now Bill & Ted can have a “Most Smashing Adventure”. Unless you can provide a reason as to how they plan to defend from the surf boards, locate us, defend themselves from the Silver Photon(s), and not get their mallets snatched by Charlie.
You cant be serious, neither Thor nor Bill has ever absorbed anyone’s shield. Ever.
Next you wish to make a case of Onslaught being absorbed? That is a potential rule violation, given that you are not suppose to effect my characters physical form through direct energy, or matter manipulation, regardless of our energy form or not. And…
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For arguments sake lets say Cosmic Charlie is out of the picture. The Silver Photons are wearing Anti-Psi armors. And even with out them, our herald abilities protects us from mental assaults up to the level of “The Goddess with Cosmic Egg“.
Oh goody, here comes references of Surfers low points in his career. As if anyone of your team don’t have any.
Your attempting an energy drain, on Nth level energy manipulators?
First of all Thor, and Bill has had several encounters with Surfer, and has never succeeded in an energy drain. Secondly simply because Surfer has been drained, does not mean you can replicate the same, given that those where on different condition with different means. And finally Surfer has as many instances resisting energy drain, with the Enslavers arc proving even Galactus level being can not do so.
Your hammer only narrows down our location. You still need visual confirmation. Pity since the hammers do not grant the awareness to peer through our cloaking, or the fact that the psi hurricane hinders your vision.
Case and point. Post, and Holocaust’s cloaking. And Thor’s inability to see them.
Our Herald Abilities can employ our own mental protection, mind rape is not an option. Heck our Cosmic Awareness can be used to mind rape. Lets not forget those anti-psi armors.
Don’t try to fool anyone, by misusing those scans. Telepathy can not shut off our Cosmic Awareness. Purple Man pheromones have, but your team obviously lack those as well.
so while the shield MAY stop him from finding them with tp, he WOULD see the energy genis exerts to CREATE the cloak. They also never said they went invisible, but even if they WERE, nate's ability to see energy would STILL allow him to find them. Specially given how much energy they have.
ridiculous. Trying to say that something that worked against a regular, inexperienced and UNSHIELDED nate, would work against a more powerful, skilled, experienced AND SHIELDED shaman nate is NOT a very sound extrapolation.
as far as the 'hurricane': a WEAKENED cable was able to withstand and guard others against it. we have uber-amped bill and thor in psi-armor, entering the match ACTIVELY draining surrounding energy and shielded by nate’s power. The hurricane is just unleashed psi energy. We can absorb psi energy. If we didn’t just absorb all of it, bill would easily lessen it’s effects. So, I see that hurricane doing exactly NOTHING.
and? thor was caught by surprise, that's why he was affected physically. we are ready, ARMORED and go in ALREADY absorbing whatever energy we can reach. an EMP is a simple high intensity release of EM radiation. we'd simply absorb the EM burst. not that an EMP would do much to people armored in such a manner as to make a thanosi struggle to harm them.
then of course there is the HUGE, ENORMOUS question that has me asking if onslaught could (1) create TK shields around all of them, (2) shield genis and ss’s minds (3) do the shunt-thingy (4) then do the hurricane AND (5) EMP.
And you say we’re stretching OUR guys thin??
we have 2 beings amped to thanos-levels of strength (recall what thanos did to ss physically) and another WITH thor's strength. bill and thor in that armor would be almost impossible for you to even HARM physically considering a thanosi couldn't break through it. energy of course is useless against us, AND we are wielding uber magic. But you win every exchange? Lol?
what? First, what was this ‘disturbance’ you’re talking about? Second, Nate specifically states he is NOT using his tp in that case:
And even allowing that he CAN battle the effects, that will require all his effort and leave ss and genis unprotected and open to nate’s mindrapage.
concession accepted. J
except that ss has been manipulated mentally by the likes of loki and Dracula and genis is so mentally unstable that a small push is all we’d need to put him in a coma as he loses control of his cosmic awareness. And while they tried to fight nate’s assault, they would be pummeled into oblivion by amped bill and thor.
well, if ironman can do it . . . and doom . . . and rulk . . . and if ss himself can totally drain ANOTHER ss equal to him . . . sure, why not?
instead, a po’d thor has simply pummeled him unconscious, like thanos did. And of course, again, forum battles are SLIGHTLY different from book battles . . .
yeah, those were accomplished by lesser beings using lesser equipment than skyfather level magical hammers . . .
and more failures. and we don’t need to drain ALL his energy—just weaken him so we can ko him.
so . . . what is their offense again? Some ‘shunting’ feat that would be ineffective against a more powerful, experienced and SHIELDED nate. Blasts????
And they say THEY are more versatile?
We can absorb anything they throw at us.
We can absorb their shields.
We can see them as they are not invisible and nate can see energy.
The tp hurricane would be meaningless-we’re too strong and shielded by nate.
Nate is doing nothing in this match except linking us and providing shield support and watching our backs. Once onslaught falls, he can launch a mental assault at ss or genis.
They actually have no way to harm us. This is a BADDDDDDD match up for them. we are their Achilles heel. Endless absorption and uber magical offense and uber physical prowess. We counter anything they throw our way. They really can’t stop us from weakening them and taking them out one at a time with relative ease . . .
In case you don't know the context, that was Mrrungo Mu, a Galactus level villain whose power is to absorb energy from others. He got to be so powerful, by absorbing the power of millions of civilizations into himself. He easily defeated and took the energy of every hero on earth, including Thor. But even he can't drain the energy of SS, as long as he has his cosmic glaze.
Now, if you recall our prep, all of our characters were given SS's powers and a similar cosmic glaze. Therefore you won't be draining energy from ANY of us.
Do you have any evidence of being able to absorb EMP? You are doing one hell of extrapolation to assume that because his hammer has absorbed blasts it can automatically absorb anything with "energy" in it's name....
That Thanos clone they beat, also was beaten up by KAZAR! So no, it is no feat at all. He was also nearly killed by SHIELD weaponry at one point. Just being a Thanos clone means nothing, when Thanos called that clone a complete failure in Infinity Abyss...
Of course... we don't have to do everything with one hammer, after all. Since, you know, your other hammer was broken into pieces from using an Exitar-level godblast.
mm hmm.... so beating up on a Thanosi who has also lost to Kazar, gives one Thanos level strength? This clone was far inferior to the original.
Also, even Ben Grimm has been able to knock the real Thanos around. Getting some blows in on an incredibly weak copy is really not the feat you want. So when you say "amped up to thanos-levels of strength'", I think you really mean "amped up to Kazar-levels of strength".
Oh really... how much energy are you putting into that godblast?
At it's regular levels, it cannot hurt Juggernaut. In contrast, I think we all know what Onslaught did when he fought against Juggernaut. In that case, the godblast is not even on Onslaught's level of OFFENSIVE power, let alone capable of one-shotting him.
At it's higher levels where it can break Exitar's armor (note that that did absolutely nothing to actually injure him), using that godblast will cause Thor's hammer to shatter.
lol, somehow Loki TRICKING him, means that that shows SS's telepathic resistance is bad? Cunning talk =/= telepathy feat.
Photon was unstable because of existing in all times simultaneously. In the first round it was ruled that this effect will not occur in this tourney because of all characters needing to exist in the present and no time manipulation.
That's good to know, because Thor killed himself with his own godblast, meaning that it is essentially Beta Ray Bill vs our entire team.
lol... we have no need to stop you from trying to weaken us because we already showed such a tactic won't work on a single member of our team.
Things to keep in mind:
Thor's godblast is a suicide tactic.
We are far, far faster than them and can dodge their pathetic efforts at attacking all day if we needed to.
Our cosmic glaze prevents them from weakening us through energy drain.
A REAL Galactus level character using his tech to drain Surfer and everyone else. One scan does not make an argument I’m afraid. We’ve a WEALTH of evidence to support he can and HAS been drained (see our OP as well.) You have one pis moment to refute it. Come on.
Aside from that, the hammers have also absorbed the power cosmic, Heimdall’s cosmic flame, Blastaar’s blasts, the galaxy-busting power of the Null Bomb, etc, etc. So I don’t see how it’s a stretch to assume we could absorb a simple EMP?
Furthermore, we have stressed time and time again that we can either absorb OR shield ourselves against any attack(s) you can muster – unless of course you think that a friggin’ EMP can do what characters like: Odin, Surfer, Stardust, the Skrull Godkiller, Qabiri, MODT, etc. have been unable to do, and that is: breach our shields.
Aside from that, we will be constantly draining you. This will make it quite hard for you guys to do…. Anything at all, really. Why? Because every second the battle lasts, you are going to become geometrically weaker.
The tactics our opponents keep trying to use have been countered and dealt with no matter which route they try to travel.
They have NO psi-edge, and have posted nothing *solid* to display how or why Shaman would be unable to mind rape Surfer/Photon – or at the very least explain why Shaman couldn’t at least keep them busy until Thor/Bill KO them (which would happen rather swiftly, mind you.).
They are relying almost exclusively on the ‘Surfer-skin’ to protect them against our energy absorbing capabilities – however, Surfer himself has been forcibly drained several times – we possess two of the most uber energy absorbing weapons in comics, period. We can and will drain their energies, and there is quite literally nothing they can do about it.
Even though they switched tactics and are now trying to use speed against us, their speed counts for nothing. We have already shown that we are more than capable of combating (and in some cases overwhelming) the speed of Heralds one on one. On top of that we WILL be constantly draining them. On top of that we can manifest uber shielding/omni-directional blasts on the fly --- and tack on the fact that once Onslaught is out almost immediately after the battle begins (something which they’ve still yet to counter with anything solid) Surfer and Photon then become vulnerable to TP assaults from Nate.
*The bottom line is that they did not mention a single means by which they can harm us and have shown NOTHING at all in terms of offense. All they want to claim is that they can dodge and run away, but thor and bill have never had problems battling them before.*
"A great tactician creates plans.
A good tactician recognizes the soundness of a plan presented to him.
A fair tactician must see the plan succeed before offering approval.
Those with no tactical ability at all may never understand or accept the plan.
And when a mind is too deficient in understanding, the resulting gap is often filled with resentment."
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That’s a vary bad scenario, I don’t believe team Galan/Leo thought through the full consequences of using the daunting “God Blast“. If you take their comments directly from their prep, they wish to use the same blast that drove Galactus away, or smashed a Celestial armor.
From their own mouths, they wish to conjure the highest output ever conceived once again referencing Exitar as a measuring stick.
Now the clincher comes from the fact that they have no proper means to back up, & support that Mjolnir through the ordeal. Without proper support, that mallet will shatter under its own pressure. Contrary to Leo’s belief, the “Belt of Strength” did not add on to the power, but was used as means to support Mjolnir . Unsuccessfully I might add.
So let me get right to the point. The God Blast comes at a huge price, not only will Mjolnir shatter, and severely exhaust Thor. But given the current situation, Thor will die from the ordeal. Currently his life force is tied into the mallet. If Mjolinir shatters, Thor Dies , making the God Blast a suicide attack.
Astral Disturbance, and being Mind Blind
Naturally our opponents will contest the effects of an astral disturbance. But responding, does not equate to properly refuting. Here let me explain as to why.
Not only does it shunt Telepaths of their ability. But if they are tuned in, when the disturbance occurs they face severe backlash. Nate is a prime example, the ordeal left him knocked out, and mind blind. You see there is no real defense for it, and it truly does not matter how skilled, or powerful you are .
If you’re an avid fan of psi characters, its common knowledge that Telepaths need to tune into the astral plane for them to apply their craft. But if your not, all you have to do is look into Nate’s own comment, who wishes to apply his telepathy, yet finds himself unable to, from his inability to tune into the astral plane[2&3].
And this is how I end Psionics 101, and address the current situation. X-Man enters the battlefield tuned into the astral plane thanks to psi-link, that is a given. Unfortunately at the start of the bell Charlie, cut lose the same class of disturbance that previously K.O ed Nate. Because Nate is tuned in, he faces a severe backlash that both K.O‘s, and mind blinds him. If Nate happens to recover, his psi abilities are crippled from the existing disturbance in the psi plane.
Make no mistake about it. At this point the “Silver Photons” are superior energy manipulators then “Hammer Brothers“. Keep in mind that we hold an intrinsic control over energy, unlike the Hammer Bros, & their heavy reliance on external items. Silver Photons manipulate all forms of energy down to its quantum components , magic is no exception . Thors magic is not an exception, given that Odin’s magic fell under our our cosmic influence . They have gone as far as absorb a Universe worth of energy, and transform it into any form they like. The Nega bands themselves can absorb 5 star systems worth of energy, apparently there are no upper limits as a Galaxy worth of energy can be siphoned . Lets not forget they can regulate, and channel enough energy to destroy the universe itself . Or shunt energy from anywhere, and everywhere .
Why bother to pick up a pissing contest; of my character > yours…when your clearly outclassed?
But wait, there is still one more point to address regarding energy manipulation.
Correction, it was Surfer who commented Mu was Galactus level. But here is a fun fact, since you want to whore the energy drainage as if its an exclusive feat.
The Silver Photons, and per extension Cosmic Charlie can absorb energy. We have already submitted proof, that we can resist or be immune to energy absorption. But what keeps you guys safe from energy drainage?
The Hammer Brothers where drained by Mu, and Tyrants appliance. What feat guarantee’s you wont fall victim to the same scheme?
Lesser anti-psi armors have proved to be vary effective . Besides did you actually READ that scan? Lord Yaru was only aware of Nate’s telepathy , so when he ordered to turn on the psionic inhibitors Nate explains to him that his info is incorrect, and had Telekinetically dismantled them upon his intrusion . Meaning he dismantled them before, they where activated.
And their lies the problem, you don’t Pay Attention. I believe this scan was submitted, during prep in reference to Genis backing up the teams cloaking . By warping space not only does it cloak our presence by making us invisible, but hide our energy signal as well.
The Psi Hurricane is nothing more then an “Aversion”. Congratulations you just acknowledged, the need to actually address our “Aversion” wasting precious time, and resources.
At what point will you absorb the EMP? In the middle of tracking us (lol hammer swings)? While you are blocking Silver Photons attack(s)? During the psi hurricane drain ordeal? Ah the fruitless act of draining our characters directly, that’s when you’ll strike…..I know right about the shield drain! Or when they decided to fire what ever blasts, well suicide blast for Thor.
You cant expect us to believe, that the Hammer brothers mallets can multi-task to such extant.
No matter how you want to look at it, that astral disturbance cripples Nate, and in effect the Psi Armors as well.
But lets keep things relative. Those Psi Constructs can not take a direct hit from Holocaust . Silver Photons, could just as easily break down your psi constructs .
Our Cosmic Powers, provide us with the necessary tools to block mental attacks. Lets not forget our anti-psi armors. But what keeps you guys safe, with Nate out the game? Our entire roster can mind rape.
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hey, look at that, the one time it happened the belt was wrapped around it. so how about showing a time the hammer broke from a GB that was NOT wrapped by the belt of strength? you DO like these one time showing-type things, eh? too bad they're always countered by a WEALTH of refuting evidence.
seriously. not sure why i'm entertaining one of the worst arguments ever put forth. i'll go out on a limb and say the judges are smart enough to see that a GB won't break our hammer. lol
the highest ever output? that was accomplished with the belt. which, you know, we don't have . . . . . and regardless--no where did we say we were putting 'the highest output [email protected]!!!1!' into the blast! lol we showed examples of what it was capable of. Guess we'll have to settle for a GB level of attack that injured galactus. poor us.
curious how you left out what actually CAUSED that . . . and that it wasn't onslaught.
hypothesis=/=fact. and it's irrelevant anyway.
and WHY did it ko a weaker, unshielded, less experienced nate . . . . .? BECAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PSI-PLANE.
not unless he's on the psi plane--and even then who knows how a far more powerful SHAMAN would handle that event.
not even close, i'm afraid. regular nate fought off onslaught's 'disturbance' and almost immediately following still demonstrated some uber power. again, ours is prepared, shielded and far stronger. he would also have already FACED this attack from onslaught, further preparing him. and you really need to stop saying things like--"because it did this to young, inexperienced nate, it would do the same thing to a far more powerful and skilled shaman."
we don't care about your energy manipulation. nice that you admit they have 'universe destroying power' though. not sure, but i'll go out on a limb and suggest using THAT type of feat MIGHT be illegal. oh wait, did you just use that as an example??? so that must mean you ARE using universe destroying power, right??? like we're using hammer melting GB's? so, i guess this is over since you just went and got yourselves dq'd! well done! good match and all that . . .
again, we don't really care about your ability to manipulate energy. once onslaught is out, nate can at the VERY LEAST keep you busy while thor and bill punch you repeatedly in the face and ko you like this:
mu claimed it as well--both, obviously, were very wrong.
you want to do what? grab the hammers and absorb their power? sweet! we beg you to come close enough to try that. that's what we WANT--close quarters combat. and i don't suppose you have proof that you can simply drain the hammers? cuz afaik that has never happened. and it might be a bit tough to pull off while we're feeding the hammers, very forcibly and repeatedly, to you.
so, was that a mech or a guy in armor?
And blocks don’t really seem to hinder the shaman very much:
come on now. I know how much you love nate and I KNOW even YOU don’t believe that, id . . .
besides—XAVIER IS A TELEPATH. The armor—even if it DID work against nate’s tp, wouldn’t stop him from TELEKINETICLLY dismantling it at molecular level. So . . . the armor fails for a bunch of reasons. I also love how you wear it UNDER your silver skin . . . lol like THAT would be possible . . .
so, then help me out. (1) where exactly in that scan does it say it hides his energy signal again? (2) and more important--explain how exactly you are performing this feat. he did it by manipulating space/time. by creating a warp in space/time. you know what happened the LAST time you tried manipulating the environment like that--ruled ILLEGAL. no reality warp. space/time IS reality. no warp creations, i'm afraid. if you can open a warp to hide in, we can open a dimensional warp in the form of a vortex to suck you in. THAT would be easy to accomplish.
and, as if trying to get anyone to believe onslaught can do all the things you're having him do isn't enough, you NOW expect everyone to believe onslaught can do ALL those things . . . . . while being illegally cloaked behind a warp in space/time??
IF HE'S STILL WITHIN THE BATTLEFIELD (because it sounds an awful lot like he warped space and is hiding within that warp, or behind space, which would mean onslaught absolutely could not do any sort of attack AND you'd would be dq'd for self-bfr) i'm thinking that really isn't very likely. we never see genis attack from his cloaked position. i wonder if that might have something to do with the fact that if he did . . . it might GIVE AWAY HIS LOCATION.
lol we are so strong and durable we wouldn't even notice it. nate is also already shielding us. not sure what precious energy we're wasting, but . . . ok.
we could ask at what point--while being drained and GB'd to the stone age--you actually UNLEASH the EMP? and we would absorb it the same time we are draining your shields and your psi-energy. i'm curious how you actually think onslaught can perform all these feast you have him doing in such rapid succession, hidden within a warp in space/time, WHILE being drained from the get-go and getting GB'd.
we drain and blast. woo, complex stuff.
since he's not on the psi-plane, since he's faced the attack before, WITHSTOOD IT, is prepared, is stronger and is shielded, he'll be perfectly fine, thanks.
once that happened, we could just KEEP draining, like what thor did to presence (see my above post). Even if we don’t drain all your energy, we could weaken you significantly and while you battle the drain the others could finish you off. Once onslaught is dealt with, it’s 3-2 and this is overin a variety of ways, drain or no drain.
genis and ss mindrape? lol?
anywho, they put ALL their eggs on the shunting thingy. without that, they KNOW they can't harm us in anyway at all—as is evinced by their complete and utter lack of any offensive strategy.
to reiterate--this is a BADDD match up for them. we have the far superior defense (one they can't get around), we have mounted a very strong, consistent and unanswered (GB MELTS the hammer???) offense and have KEPT on the offensive throughout, countering and attacking. they tried to say they’d spend their time dodging, but . . . that’s not gonna win a match, nor is blasting us with energy. their 'perfect', supremely versatile amalgams of ss and genis have been rendered effectively USELESS in this match, as seen by their utter lack of offense. Once onslaught is out, we pick off the other 2 easily via weakening through energy drain then mindrape, or mindrape to ko or weaken while amped thor and amped bill pummel to ko. This really is a relatively simple and straight forward match.
I think Leo posted his new post a bit too quickly-- he tried to use several arguments we had already proved wrong last post.
This perpetuates that stupid "it was the belt of strength that increased it's power" argument they tried using a while back. Fortunately we have since posted a scan showing how the belt did NOT increase the godblasts strength or aid in breaking mjolnir. Quite the opposite in fact, the belt was there to prevent mjolnir from breaking, meaning that without it, mjolnir would have been even MORE ****ed up.
lol, same stupid stupid tactic of paradoxically claiming that we are over the caps but at the same time your characters can stomp us. It didn't work or make sense last time, when Smurph and Jake used it on us. It makes even less this time and shows your habit for taking things out of context.
I understand this probably wasn't a serious claim. Your strategy seems to be to post a variety of arguments that can easily be refuted with single scans we have, in the hope doing so will take to much effort. However all it takes is a copy and paste.
Onslaught's not going to be out, but even if he was we're quite a bit too fast for you, with nanosecond reaction time and ftl speeds.
How exactly were they both "obviously" wrong?
Galactus himself respected Mrrungo Mu's powers and this was while quite POed at him.
Blocks designed be a group of people with "good connections" =/= blocks designed by one of the world's leading telepaths and expert on science of TP.
This may be your silliest argument to date. He bends/warps the light/energy around him much like invisible woman, or the gravitational lensing of of any high-gravity object.
Um, yeah we do. Except for the "illegal" part, because that is nothing but speculation on your part. Meanwhile our invisible characters will be attacking you while invisible since it poses no problem...
He didn't attack them, because he wasn't even trying to destroy them at all, just toy with them. As you'd know if you read the issue. And if you think he was trying to avoid giving his location away, then WHY did he appear behind them visible?!
That armor you've shown has absolutely nothing to show any strength, except for helping against a Thanos clone who has been PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERED by Ka-Zar. Not impressed.
And it all comes back to "we suck out your energy"... we already posted scans PROVING that energy drainers beyond any character in this tournament could not absorb through the cosmic glaze, but somehow seeing it on-panel, in-comics was not enough for you. Here, for your viewing pleasure, are approximately a billion scans confirming the exact same thing.