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Batdude's Tourney Final

Team Leo/Galan:

Thor: Leonidas
Nate Grey: Both
Beta Ray Bill: Galan007

vs.

Team Id/KK:

Silver Surfer: KK
Onslaught: Id
Photon: Both

The battle will take place on Hoth.

Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).

Here's a link to the rules of the tourney:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t522335.html

Judges:

Badabing
Illadelph
Bentley
Digi
Enyalus


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Team Id/KK's Opening Prep Post Part 1:

quote:

"Id" wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 04:26 PM:

Intro Music: Carlos Santana ~ Soul Sacrifice


Character Priorities
Onslaught (Shared)
Photon (Id)
Silver Surfer (King Kandy)


Prep Time

  1. Mind Link & Memory Transfer
    Onslaught will establish a mind link between the three, to transfer memories, and experience of the entire crew. This way we will all be, equally knowledgeable in how to use each others powers.

    Note: the processes is farther simplified given that both Genis-Vell, and Silver Surfer will assist Onslaught. All are capable of transmitting thoughts, & memories. [1]

  2. Power Sharing + Cosmic Link
    Genis-Vell will share his “Cosmic Powers” with Silver Surfer [2]. Silver Surfer will then share his “Power Cosmic” with Genis-Vell & Onslaught establishing a “Cosmic Link” along the processes. [3]

    The end result will be the following:
    Photon + (Surfers) Power Cosmic
    Onslaught + (Surfers) Power Cosmic
    Silver Surfer + (Photons) Cosmic Powers

  3. Refuel and Recharged
    Thanks to the Cosmic link, Onslaught & Silver Surfer will open a channel to recharge their Power Cosmic from Genis-Vell [4]. Naturally Genis-Vell will help in the refuel by exerting his power towards Onslaught & Silver Surfer. Photon will not be exhausted by having his power absorbed as such, by virtue of Genis infinite energy source(s) [5].

    As long as the Photon continues to feed of the Universe, and the Negative Zone, he will never run out of energy.

  4. Anti-Psi Armor
    Thanks to the mind link, Charlie will provide schematics of Anti-Psi armors for Surfer to build. Surfer aided by its Cosmic Awareness, will build a pair for Photon, and Surfer to wear beneath the silvery substance that now covers their body. [6].

  5. Shields, and Cloaking
    Onslaught will provide mental shields. Photon will back them up, and cloak our presence [7]. Each will erect a force field overlapping one another. [8]


Appendix

  1. [1] Charlie mind links, and projects the thoughts, & feeling of the entire Skrull Race (Billions of Inhabitants)
    http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/924/nxm09004oe6.jpg
    http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8597/05lh7.jpg
    Charlie transmits everything he knows about the Shi’ar in one panel.
    http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9821/z4yh5.jpg
    Despite X-Man's resistance, Charlie plucks out his memories.
    http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7566/xmen56pg16.jpg

  2. [2] Genis-Vell can share his Cosmic Powers.
    http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/...arveliv1202.jpg
    http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/...rveliv10p18.jpg

    [3] Silver Surfer can share Power Cosmic, & establishes a “Cosmic Link”.
    http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/...nslavers_58.jpg
    The Silver Surfer shares his power among 12 different beings
    http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/76...ferv3117p02.jpg

  3. [4] Silver Surfer drains his double who’s his exact equal in power in a matter of seconds
    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...47absorbdr2.jpg
    Here Genis-Vell exerts his power outward, overloading the Kree energy containment cell.
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...soutofcell3.jpg

    [5] When Magus attempted to drain Genis he was instantly overloaded. Genis vary essence is linked to the universe itself.
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...4-vsMagus11.jpg
    Genis “Nega Bands”, accesses limitless energy source through “Negative Zone“.
    http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/23...rvelv20419x.jpg
    Every breath draw sustenance from time gone, and yet to come.
    http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/...ts100page26.jpg

  4. [6] The following is the Anti-Psi Armor
    http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/...alibur10016.jpg

  5. [7] Onslaughts mental shields, and psi mirrors.
    http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/14...n015large16.jpg
    http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...n015large20.jpg
    http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7459/xman01716.jpg
    Photons Mental shield, and sensor cloaking. Photons mental shields has effectively blocked Overminds telepathy. Genis-Vell cloaking has worked effectively against the Shi’ar Armada.
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...omTelepaths.jpg
    http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/...lts012page1.jpg
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg

    [8] Photon shields can handle Nega Bomb Explosion.
    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/53...arvelv20108.jpg
    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/99...arvelv20116.jpg
    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/59...arvelv20119.jpg
    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/79...velv2012021.jpg


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Team Id/KK's Opening Prep Post Part 2:

quote:

"Id" wrote on Feb 17th, 2010 04:29 PM:
Strategy


The match begins with our team shielded, and cloaked. Our team will do the following at the opening bell.

  1. Onslaught - Charlie will place an interference in the astral plane, effectively shunting X-Man the use of his soft psi. [1]. Charlie then follows up, by conjuring a psionic hurricane [2].


  2. Photon & Silver Surfer - Will act as scouts, and snipers. Our Cosmic Awareness grants us, fantastic tracking abilities [3]. The dou will shoot highly intense Asgardian/Storm Giant killing, planet wrecking blasts. [4].


  3. If Team: Leo/Galan make it through the Psi Hurricane or fall within Charlie‘s range. Charlie will let lose the monstrous EMP. This is a bonified team wrecking blast, effecting even the likes such as Thor [5].


Appendix

  1. [1] For Charlie the Psi interference, proved to be vary effective. X-Man alone had trouble mind probing, and mind linking.
    http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/...nyxmen33515.jpg
    http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/...yxmen335p11.jpg
    [2] Charlie’s Psionic Hurricane is both a telepathic, and telekinetic storm.
    http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7286/cable03502.jpg
    http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8246/cable03503.jpg


  2. [3] Our Cosmic Awareness, & tracking abilities are fantastic regardless if cloaking means are of Magic, Psi, or Cosmic nature. We will be aware of anyone’s presence even for the likes such as “The Watcher“, or “Mephisto“.
    http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...ferv3112p02.jpg
    http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...ferv3112p03.jpg
    http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/83/sreign815.jpg
    http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...98903107ki8.jpg
    [4] Asgardian/Storm Giant killing, planet wrecking blasts.
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...8-OwnsDrang.jpg
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...nsHeimdall2.jpg
    http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/...versurfegj7.jpg
    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/...ual07303ff4.jpg



  3. [5] Charlie cuts loose a monstrous EMP Blast.
    http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3903/xmen5517.jpg
    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5462/xmen5518.jpg
    http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4035/xmen5519.jpg
    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8867/xmen5520.jpg
    http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2479/xmen5521.jpg
    http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6832/xmen5522.jpg


Ending Thoughts

The idea is vary simple.
- Make use of the fact that we are currently shield, and cloaked.
- Make use of the fact that we are Cosmically Aware, of everything that is happening.
- Severely hinder X-Man soft psi, and create an aversion.
- Unaware of our presence, and blinded by the storm. Shoot them down.
- Our overall physical stats, permit us to go in for the kill, or the exchange at any given time. Regardless of the fact, we will win in every exchange, because we are more powerful and more versatile then the team.


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Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 1 (because of the length of their opening post, 1 post will be docked from their 10 post total):

quote:

Galan007 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 08:46 PM:
Team Galanidas, post #1...


Prep Period


In line with our strategies thus far, our prep period will be a fairly simple one. First Nate will a.) link minds with Thor and BRB, and b.) he will fortify their minds to protect against potential mind-tampering from the opposition. Upon linking minds, Nate extensively scans Thor’s mind (which can be done almost instantly) and projects all of his knowledge pertaining to the use of Mjolnir directly into BRB’s mind. This newfound knowledge will allow BRB to use Stormbreaker just as effectively as Thor himself can use Mjolnir.

A quick history lesson… Stormbreaker was forged out of Uru in the same celestial forge as Mjolnir - and Odin himself enchanted Stormbreaker with the Odinforce just as he *also* did with Mjolnir:
http://img8.imageshack.us/i/billhammer1.jpg/
http://img229.imageshack.us/i/billhammer2.jpg/

So it should come as no surprise that the two hammers are pretty much equal in every way that matters:
http://img704.imageshack.us/i/billhammer3.jpg/
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/billhammer4.jpg/

So not only is BRB’s hammer equal to Thor’s hammer, but Bill now knows everything Thor knows about how to use his hammer to its best.


*Nate will also hold onto one more little tid-bit he acquired in the mind-merger, concerning Thor’s mental state…. We’ll get to that later on.

---

Next, we will have Nate manifest psi-armor for Thor and BRB. Just for a point of reference, the psi-armor gave Nate himself Hulk-level strength:
http://img254.imageshack.us/i/nateselfarmor1.jpg/
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/nateselfarmor2.jpg/
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/nateselfarmor3.jpg/
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/nateselfarmor4.jpg/

The armor also gave Hulk sufficient power to take on Thanosi:
http://img6.imageshack.us/i/natearmor2.jpg/
http://img710.imageshack.us/i/natearmor3.jpg/
http://img198.imageshack.us/i/natearmor4.jpg/
(before Hulk donned the armor, his efforts were completely ineffective against Thanosi.)

The armor also denotes a HUGE boost in durability:
http://img710.imageshack.us/i/natearmor3.jpg/

And just so we’re all clear, Nate easily maintained the psi-armor while he was also concentrating on other tasks:
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6129/psiarmor.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/i/natearmor2.jpg/
(that was PRE-SHAMAN Nate, mind you)

---

*As was hinted at above, Nate now knows all of Thor’s thoughts/memories/secrets/etc. through their established mind link. That said, Nate would also know the particulars behind the mindset Thor was in during the B&T arc. (*cough* the mental projection of a Valkyrie*cough*) And most importantly, Nate would know exactly how to recreate that mindset on the fly. But for now, we’ll keep that tactic in our reserve bank.

---

Additionally we will have Thor give Nate physical prowess akin to his own – similar to this:
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6731/thorlend1.jpg
(except Thor will obviously be keeping Mjolnir for himself)

This will essentially give us 3 beings with Thor-level strength.

---

In the final moments of our prep period, Shaman will whip up a few illusions to distract the opposing team, similar to this:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7632/nateillusions1.jpg

And Thor will charge up a God Blast.


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Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 3:

quote:

Galan007 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 08:46 PM:
Outset of the Battle


Immediately after the battle begins, BRB is going to begin absorbing any potential energy shielding our opponents might have in place. If there are no shields in place, Bill will begin absorbing the energies of Onslaught himself -- even if the energy at hand is psionic in nature, we can still easily absorb it:
http://img168.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb1.jpg/

Just for a point of reference, Onslaught himself admitted that it is possible for his psionic powers to be absorbed:
http://img33.imageshack.us/i/onslaughtabsorb1.jpg/

And our hammers have already shown that they are able to forcibly drain the powers from others… Very rapidly:
http://img16.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb2.jpg/
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb3.jpg/
http://img651.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb4.jpg/

http://img714.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb5.jpg/

In conjunction with Bill’s absorption, Thor will unleash his, now ready, Godblast directly at Onslaught. If our opponents’ shields haven’t been completely absorbed by this time, they would certainly be weakened enough that our Godblast would have absolutely no problem piercing them and striking Onslaught. If there were no shields in place, then Onslaught himself would be drastically weakened before the blast ever touched him.

Why a Godblast? Because in the past Onslaught has been harmed (quite severely at times) by lesser energy attacks…

Here Bishop uses energy blasts against Onslaught. These blasts weakened Onslaught enough that he actually reverted to a human form and played the ‘emotional card’ with Bishop to halt the ownage that was being delivered:
http://img3.imageshack.us/i/onslaughtenergy1.jpg/
http://img522.imageshack.us/i/onslaughtenergy2.jpg/
http://img341.imageshack.us/i/onslaughtenergy3.jpg/
(I understand full well that Bishop was being ‘amped’ by the force field attacks he was having IW use against him. However, those blasts still weren’t equal to a Godblast by any stretch.)

Here Onslaught is once again harmed by the attacks from a, rather feeble, band of heroes:
http://img15.imageshack.us/i/onslaughtenergy4.jpg/
(Though Onslaught was only momentarily harmed, he was still harmed… And a Godblast >> “invisible javelins + plasma bursts + ice spikes + flaming spears + explosive arrows”)

The bottom line is if attacks like those are sufficient to cause Onslaught any kind of physical harm, then a Godblast (which is several notches greater than those attacks) should be more than enough to remove him from the battle for good.


Why am I convinced that a Godblast is far more powerful than the above energy attacks? Well here are a few reasons for starters…

Busts through Exitar’s armor:
http://img35.imageshack.us/i/thorgb2.jpg/

Causes a great deal of harm to Galactus himself:
http://img6.imageshack.us/i/thorgb1.jpg/

Need I say more?

---

With Onslaught out of the picture almost immediately after the battle begins, Surfer and Photon become exceedingly vulnerable to telepathic assaults from Nate, who could simply mindrape Surfer then make Photon literally turn off his powers – similar to what happened here:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9318/genistp2.jpg

Aside from a TP assault, they (Surfer/Photon) can be bombarded with an array of different attacks…

For starters, we could soften Surfer up with lighting (which is WELL within our power to rapidly manifest) – lightning has harmed Surfer a few times before:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5130/scan0011up5.jpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/...msurfer31ad.jpg
(and needless to say, we are far superior to Storm in the weather manifestation department)


Another option is simply draining the energies of Surfer/Photon. As shown above, not only can our hammers forcibly drain other beings of their energies, but their absorbing capabilities are nearly unlimited – and Surfer has already been forcibly sapped of his power, a few different times:
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5439/drain1.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7866/drain2.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8774/drain3.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7451/drain4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1569/drain5.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7607/drain6.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6743/drain7.jpg
(and draining Photon would be no different, as he too is almost completely composed of pure energy)


Additionally, we can still rely on some of our more potent (anti-force) blasts – the likes of which have harmed a Thanosi, and destroyed Mangog:
http://img148.imageshack.us/i/thorblast1.jpg/
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1759/thorblast2.jpg
(and we don’t need ‘time’ to conjure blasts of that caliber, mind you.)


Hell, we could even resort to throwing fisticuffs if need be. Photon was matched (and seemingly exceeded) by the physical attacks of Hyperion:
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/genisphysical1.jpg/
http://img180.imageshack.us/i/genisphysical2.jpg/
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/genisphysical3.jpg/
http://img246.imageshack.us/i/genisphysical4.jpg/

Thor and BRB /w/ psi-armor are each >> Hyperion.


OR we still have the option of using our trump card (ie. having Thor enter his B&T mindset) -- and if we choose to do that, Thor alone could likely trounce the remaining members of their team.

---

Now IF our opponents have any illusions in place when the battle begins in an effort to try and hide themselves from us, it should be noted that both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker have a ‘magical tracking’ function. This means the hammers can track an opponent no matter where they might be hiding..

Here Thor uses Mjolnir to instantly track HIM across entire dimensions:
http://img230.imageshack.us/i/thortrack1.jpg/
http://img508.imageshack.us/i/thortrack2.jpg/

Again:
http://img63.imageshack.us/i/thortrack3.jpg/
http://img37.imageshack.us/i/thortrack4.jpg/
http://img69.imageshack.us/i/thortrack5.jpg/

Here BRB uses Stormbreaker to track an opponent hiding in time:
http://img27.imageshack.us/i/billtrack1.jpg/
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/billtrack2.jpg/

Couple the magical tracking (magic of which our opponents have no defense against, mind you) with Nate’s own mind/psi abilities linked with Thor/BRB, and there is really no way they can hide from us.


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Team Leo/Galan's Opening Prep Post Part 3:

quote:

Galan007 wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 08:48 PM:
Aside from the illusions WE have cast, every individual member of our team possesses the ability to instantly manifest uber shields to protect against damage..

Here Thor shields himself against energy attacks from Odin himself, as well as the physical attacks of Hulk:
http://img508.imageshack.us/i/thorblock1.jpg/

http://img710.imageshack.us/i/thorblock2.jpg/


Here BRB easily shields against the separate attacks of Stardust and Surfer:
http://img30.imageshack.us/i/billabsorb2.jpg/

http://img98.imageshack.us/i/billabsorb1.jpg/


Here Nate shields himself against an attack from the planet buster Qabiri, and several attacks from MODT (Pre-Shaman):
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7156/nateqabiri2.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/natemodt2.jpg/
http://img710.imageshack.us/i/natemodt3.jpg/
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/natemodt4.jpg/


Blocking aside, our twin hammers also have the ability to not only channel and absorb energy attacks used against them:
http://img199.imageshack.us/i/thorabsorb1.jpg/

But they can take that absorbed energy and amplify it by tenfold…. Hell even a hundredfold, and redirect said energy back at our opponents:
http://img195.imageshack.us/i/thoramp2.jpg/

http://img404.imageshack.us/i/thoramp1.jpg/

(Because Stormbreaker and Mjolnir both can accomplish the above, almost any attacks our opponents throw at us will be, for all intents and purposes, negated and redirected.)


IF needed, the hammers also allow for healing/repowering one another, on the fly:
http://img220.imageshack.us/i/thorheal1.jpg/
http://img683.imageshack.us/i/thorheal2.jpg/
(So IF any damage is sustained [which isn’t likely], then we can swiftly recover)


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Summary


Any shields they may have in place can either be absorbed by our hammers, or simply be breached with some of our *mystical* attacks.

Onslaught is taken out almost immediately after the battle begins - as a Godblast (used in conjunction with Bill’s energy absorption) is far superior to the blasts that have nearly taken him out in the past.

Surfer/Photon swiftly lose any kind of TP/psi-resistance they had, thus becoming quite vulnerable to telepathic assaults from Nate.

They cannot hide from us with any sort of illusions. And the mystical nature, and tracking factor Mjolnir/ Stormbreaker possess would also allow us to track them, no matter what type of shielding they might be hiding behind.

Bill and Thor /w/ psi-armor are more than a match for any of the opposition physically. And with increased knowledge of how to use Stormbreaker more efficiently, Bill’s offensive/defensive capabilities with his hammer would equal Thor /w/ Mjolnir. (ie. We are stronger, and can absorb ANY energy attacks they can deal out.) Also keep in mind the fact that throughout this entire match Nate will have Thor-esque power (see our OP) - thus he too can match any of the opposition from a physical standpoint, if need be.

Each member of our team can manifest nearly impenetrable shields – And since Thor and BRB’s shields are magical in nature, the likelihood of anyone on the opposing *non-magical* team being able to negatively affect our shielding is slim to none.

Shaman’s extreme telepathic prowess not only keeps our entire team mentally safe, but it also gives us the option of instantly amping Thor to his B&T mindset at any point during this match if need be *clap on* – and if that happens, Surfer and Photon would be dispatched with even more ease.


Essentially, our opponents do not have any sort of psi-edge… They rely almost exclusively on energy blasts, energy shields, or some sort of energy-related attacks – and channeling, or absorbing, or redirecting energy is what our guys do best… Lastly, they have NO defense against the magical factor we bring to the table.


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Not a big deal, but If you look at our opening prep, this is the proper debating priorities._


Onslaught (Shared)
Photon (Id)
Silver Surfer (King Kandy)_


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http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8889/xman04121.jpg





  1. Does anyone remember how Nate ended up in a catatonic state, temporally losing his telepathy along the processes? Ah for those who don’t know, it comes from the fact that Nate was actively using his soft psi when a massive disturbance in the astral plane, hindered Earth telepaths across the globe [1]. Folks I mention the following, because its no different then to now. Nate is once again utilizing his soft psi to maintain that psi link with his group (which requires accesses to the astral realm), unaware of the fact that Charlie placed a major disturbance in our opening strategy [2].

    At first I thought, “cool feat” it hinders X-Man’s telepathy, but mind you being the fanboy that I am, remembered this particularly event. Charlie’s opening act does not only hinder telepaths, but K.O. them if caught in the middle of the astral disturbance. No God Blast required.

    [1]
    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2955/xman04120.jpg
    http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5361/xma42p01.jpg

    [2]
    http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/...nyxmen33515.jpg
    http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/...yxmen335p11.jpg

  2. Onslaughts Durability - Apparently Charlie has a glass chin, but is that really the case, or is this just a ploy to misinform? Lest ignore Charlie has shields up. Lets ignore Charlie now counts on the Silver Surfer’s silvery substance for some added durability. Lets ignore that the scan used, where those when Onslaught was toying around, the moment he got serious they where put in their place. [1].

    Well that’s a lot of ignoring wouldn’t you think? The Fact is, partial reasons for some of Charlie’s weak moments are due to Xavier restraining him [2]. The moment Charlie rid himself of Xavier, he became more powerful [3]. Proof of this, is the fact that he took the combined bombardment of the following, and got right up: Thor, Loki, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch, FF4, Logan, Namor, and Ironman. [4]. No my friend your mistaken, Charlie has taken some heavy blows right on the chin. Thanks to the Herald power set, he is now a fortified tank.

    I can understand why you would fear Cosmic Charlie. We are talking about a character that succeeded where the terrifying God Blast failed. And that’s wrecking Juggs.

    [1]
    http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/...icfour41524.jpg

    [2]
    http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3926/79664035.jpg

    [3] Note: I understand that Charlie had Franklin ATM. But please pay attention to the dialogue addressing Xavier, hindering Charlie through out the arc.
    http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/...nyxmen33628.jpg

    [4]
    http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/456/or5dcp001115.jpg
    http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4196/or5dcp0013.jpg

  3. Hammer Time!
    I am completely flattered that once again, my opposing foe’s aim to take out Charlie first. This lets me know, the danger Charlie posses to your team. However I have noticed some discrepancies. Starting with the “God Blast”, now you wish to come into the battlefield ready to fire it at Charlie at the best opportunity. Yet you are playing a vary dangerous gamble.

    Here are my following observations.
    - Our interference on the psi plane, shunt’s X-Man of his soft psi with Nate effectively out of the picture. With out X-Man psi protection it provides Charlie a window of opportunity to launch numerous forms of mental assaults. At this point, we have a better chance to connect a mental assault, then Thor’s God Blast.
    - With the disturbance in the Astral Plane, it knocks out those daunted Psi-Armor provided by Nate
    - Charlie EM, can snatch those hammers right off their hands.
    - They cant hit, what they cant see…not unless Thor wants to shoot blanks. Thor needs to make visual contact, which will prove to be task thanks to our psi hurricane.
    - They cant defend, and attack at the same time. They depend on the hammer to track us down, the hammer to shoot energy, the hammer to block attacks, and the hammer to absorb energy. They cant possibly do all four with our team sniping them. The recent Siege proves the fact, with Thor’s inability to do all while Iron Patriot, and the U-Foes shoot him down to his near death.
    - Photon could vary well absorb that God Blast. Remember his Nega bands, can absorb a Galaxy worth of energy.

    You see you cant just “Bill & Ted” your way into victory. This heavy reliance on an external item (teams mallet) hinders your team. It really does not help that Bill & Ted need to “swing thy hammer once, twice, thrice“…just perform a single action. But if your so incline to do so, we can provide you with the surfboards [1]. Now Bill & Ted can have a “Most Smashing Adventure”. Unless you can provide a reason as to how they plan to defend from the surf boards, locate us, defend themselves from the Silver Photon(s), and not get their mallets snatched by Charlie. erm


    [1]
    http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9251/brbgh02007.jpg
    http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/...silversurfe.jpg


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In the final moments of our prep period, Shaman will whip up a few illusions to distract the opposing team, similar to this:

Illusions do not work on our team at all. Not even Immortus (who was abstract level), could fool Genis with his illusions.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/40...ver10p02and.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/67...orever10p04.jpg
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Immediately after the battle begins, BRB is going to begin absorbing any potential energy shielding our opponents might have in place. If there are no shields in place, Bill will begin absorbing the energies of Onslaught himself -- even if the energy at hand is psionic in nature, we can still easily absorb it:

You cant be serious, neither Thor nor Bill has ever absorbed anyone’s shield. Ever. no expression


Next you wish to make a case of Onslaught being absorbed? That is a potential rule violation, given that you are not suppose to effect my characters physical form through direct energy, or matter manipulation, regardless of our energy form or not. And…


It Doesn’t Matter!
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Cosmic Charlie can resist energy absorption through his psionic or herald abilities.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4620/9836.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4620/9836.jpg


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With Onslaught out of the picture almost immediately after the battle begins, Surfer and Photon become exceedingly vulnerable to telepathic assaults from Nate, who could simply mindrape Surfer then make Photon literally turn off his powers similar to what happened here:

For arguments sake lets say Cosmic Charlie is out of the picture. The Silver Photons are wearing Anti-Psi armors. And even with out them, our herald abilities protects us from mental assaults up to the level of “The Goddess with Cosmic Egg“.

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For starters, we could soften Surfer up with lighting (which is WELL within our power to rapidly manifest) – lightning has harmed Surfer a few times before:

Oh goody, here comes references of Surfers low points in his career. As if anyone of your team don’t have any.

Here is Holocaust harming Thor. Quick Silver needed to save him, and oh Post harms him. And once again harmed by Holocaust. I dare say the Silver Photons pack more heat then those two.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/...gersv140211.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/84...gersv140212.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/49...gersv140214.jpg
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Another option is simply draining the energies of Surfer/Photon. As shown above, not only can our hammers forcibly drain other beings of their energies, but their absorbing capabilities are nearly unlimited – and Surfer has already been forcibly sapped of his power, a few different times


Your attempting an energy drain, on Nth level energy manipulators?

First of all Thor, and Bill has had several encounters with Surfer, and has never succeeded in an energy drain. Secondly simply because Surfer has been drained, does not mean you can replicate the same, given that those where on different condition with different means. And finally Surfer has as many instances resisting energy drain, with the Enslavers arc proving even Galactus level being can not do so.

Your hammer only narrows down our location. You still need visual confirmation. Pity since the hammers do not grant the awareness to peer through our cloaking, or the fact that the psi hurricane hinders your vision.

Case and point. Post, and Holocaust’s cloaking. And Thor’s inability to see them. no


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With Onslaught out of the picture almost immediately after the battle begins, Surfer and Photon become exceedingly vulnerable to telepathic assaults from Nate, who could simply mindrape Surfer then make Photon literally turn off his powers – similar to what happened here:

Our Herald Abilities can employ our own mental protection, mind rape is not an option. Heck our Cosmic Awareness can be used to mind rape. Lets not forget those anti-psi armors.

Don’t try to fool anyone, by misusing those scans. Telepathy can not shut off our Cosmic Awareness. Purple Man pheromones have, but your team obviously lack those as well.


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Anyway, good luck and all that. now let’s get started, shall we?

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Anti-Psi Armor


lol?

armor that MIGHT keep out chuck against SHAMAN nate? this mansion was equipped with anti-psi tech that was supposed to keep out nate too:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/...ited3134jo9.jpg

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[7] Onslaughts mental shields, and psi mirrors


irrelevant-weakened via energy drain . . .

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Photons Mental shield, and sensor cloaking.


nate SEES energy:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6091/seepowerflow.jpg

so while the shield MAY stop him from finding them with tp, he WOULD see the energy genis exerts to CREATE the cloak. They also never said they went invisible, but even if they WERE, nate's ability to see energy would STILL allow him to find them. Specially given how much energy they have.

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Photon shields can handle Nega Bomb Explosion


drained. Weakened.

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Charlie will place an interference in the astral plane, psionic hurricane


ridiculous. Trying to say that something that worked against a regular, inexperienced and UNSHIELDED nate, would work against a more powerful, skilled, experienced AND SHIELDED shaman nate is NOT a very sound extrapolation.

as far as the 'hurricane': a WEAKENED cable was able to withstand and guard others against it. we have uber-amped bill and thor in psi-armor, entering the match ACTIVELY draining surrounding energy and shielded by nate’s power. The hurricane is just unleashed psi energy. We can absorb psi energy. If we didn’t just absorb all of it, bill would easily lessen it’s effects. So, I see that hurricane doing exactly NOTHING.

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Photon & Silver Surfer shoot highly intense blasts. [4].


blasts. no expression

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EMP.


and? thor was caught by surprise, that's why he was affected physically. we are ready, ARMORED and go in ALREADY absorbing whatever energy we can reach. an EMP is a simple high intensity release of EM radiation. we'd simply absorb the EM burst. not that an EMP would do much to people armored in such a manner as to make a thanosi struggle to harm them.

then of course there is the HUGE, ENORMOUS question that has me asking if onslaught could (1) create TK shields around all of them, (2) shield genis and ss’s minds (3) do the shunt-thingy (4) then do the hurricane AND (5) EMP.

And you say we’re stretching OUR guys thin??

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Regardless of the fact, we will win in every exchange,


we have 2 beings amped to thanos-levels of strength (recall what thanos did to ss physically) and another WITH thor's strength. bill and thor in that armor would be almost impossible for you to even HARM physically considering a thanosi couldn't break through it. energy of course is useless against us, AND we are wielding uber magic. But you win every exchange? Lol?

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[*]Does anyone remember how Nate ended up in a catatonic state,


what? First, what was this ‘disturbance’ you’re talking about? Second, Nate specifically states he is NOT using his tp in that case:

http://img716.imageshack.us/i/psiplane1.jpg/
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/psiplane2.jpg/


nate was harmed because he was ON THE PSI-PLANE. So, point? Again, your extrapolation=fail.

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that psi link with his group (which requires accesses to the astral realm)


wut? proof?

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K.O. them if caught in the middle of the astral disturbance.


except nate wasn’t ko’d, and the disturbance that robbed him of his tp happened when he was directly on the psi-plane and wasn’t caused by onslaught. But . . . great extrapolation . . .? confused

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Apparently Charlie has a glass chin


glad we agree.

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Lest ignore Charlie has shields up.


may as well since they are drained.

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Charlie now counts on the Silver Surfer’s silvery substance for some added durability.


sure he may be slightly more durable, but nowhere NEAR durable enough to handle a godblast.

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Lets ignore that the scan used, where those when Onslaught was toying around


and let’s ignore the fact that he is being drained . . .?

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I understand that Charlie had Franklin ATM.


so we’ll ignore it.

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my opposing foe’s aim to take out Charlie first


Lol he’s the LEAST threatening (ironic then HE’s doing all the offense). we want him gone because he’s the only thing keeping your other 2 guys from getting mindraped.

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Charlie EM, can snatch those hammers right off their hands.


ugh. Not another mag’s feat. you know how that worked for you last rd . . .

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They cant defend, and attack at the same time.


sure we can. We DO have 2 hammers . . . .

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They depend on the hammer to track us down,


unnecessary. Nate can see your energy and you’re not invisible. Finding you is easy.

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the hammer to block attacks, and the hammer to absorb energy.


we block BY absorbing . . .

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They cant possibly do all four with our team sniping them.


sure we can. Easily.

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Photon could vary well absorb that God Blast.


er, lol? He managed to redirect one magic blast, now you want us to think he could absorb one of the mightiest magical attacks in comics?

quote:
It really does not help that Bill & Ted need to “swing thy hammer once, twice, thrice“…just perform a single action.


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionSS04.jpg


it really is that easy. no spinning necessary, and no danger from any of your blasts, regardless of its level of power.

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But if your so incline to do so, we can provide you with the surfboards [1].


kind of you, but shielded by nate (who is watching our backs and could deal with the boards himself) and with our durability and strength amped by the armor, we wouldn’t even notice your boards.

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neither Thor nor Bill has ever absorbed anyone’s shield. Ever. no expression


heh

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...4-Magnetism.jpg

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Next you wish to make a case of Onslaught being absorbed?


it’s no different from absorbing ss or genis’s energy. Sorry Charlie . . . heh


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Cosmic Charlie can resist energy absorption through his psionic or herald abilities.


he can try. Presence tried too.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionv244.jpg

And kang.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionAEMH.jpg

And even allowing that he CAN battle the effects, that will require all his effort and leave ss and genis unprotected and open to nate’s mindrapage.

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For arguments sake lets say Cosmic Charlie is out of the picture.


concession accepted. J

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And even with out them, our herald abilities protects us from mental assault


except that ss has been manipulated mentally by the likes of loki and Dracula and genis is so mentally unstable that a small push is all we’d need to put him in a coma as he loses control of his cosmic awareness. And while they tried to fight nate’s assault, they would be pummeled into oblivion by amped bill and thor.

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Your attempting an energy drain, on Nth level energy manipulators?


well, if ironman can do it . . . and doom . . . and rulk . . . and if ss himself can totally drain ANOTHER ss equal to him . . . sure, why not?

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First of all Thor, and Bill has had several encounters with Surfer, and has never succeeded in an energy drain.


instead, a po’d thor has simply pummeled him unconscious, like thanos did. And of course, again, forum battles are SLIGHTLY different from book battles . . .

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does not mean you can replicate the same, given that those where on different condition with different means.


yeah, those were accomplished by lesser beings using lesser equipment than skyfather level magical hammers . . .

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And finally Surfer has many instances resisting energy drain


and more failures. and we don’t need to drain ALL his energy—just weaken him so we can ko him.

so . . . what is their offense again? Some ‘shunting’ feat that would be ineffective against a more powerful, experienced and SHIELDED nate. Blasts????

And they say THEY are more versatile?

We can absorb anything they throw at us.
We can absorb their shields.
We can see them as they are not invisible and nate can see energy.
The tp hurricane would be meaningless-we’re too strong and shielded by nate.

Nate is doing nothing in this match except linking us and providing shield support and watching our backs. Once onslaught falls, he can launch a mental assault at ss or genis.

They actually have no way to harm us. This is a BADDDDDDD match up for them. we are their Achilles heel. Endless absorption and uber magical offense and uber physical prowess. We counter anything they throw our way. They really can’t stop us from weakening them and taking them out one at a time with relative ease . . .


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Originally posted by leonidas
irrelevant-weakened via energy drain . . .

This retort covers pretty much everything Leo has said... as if restating this over and over will make it true. However, id did not post one scan... one scan that makes this all futile for them...

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/...enslavers64.jpg

In case you don't know the context, that was Mrrungo Mu, a Galactus level villain whose power is to absorb energy from others. He got to be so powerful, by absorbing the power of millions of civilizations into himself. He easily defeated and took the energy of every hero on earth, including Thor. But even he can't drain the energy of SS, as long as he has his cosmic glaze.

Now, if you recall our prep, all of our characters were given SS's powers and a similar cosmic glaze. Therefore you won't be draining energy from ANY of us.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
and? thor was caught by surprise, that's why he was affected physically. we are ready, ARMORED and go in ALREADY absorbing whatever energy we can reach. an EMP is a simple high intensity release of EM radiation. we'd simply absorb the EM burst. not that an EMP would do much to people armored in such a manner as to make a thanosi struggle to harm them.

Do you have any evidence of being able to absorb EMP? You are doing one hell of extrapolation to assume that because his hammer has absorbed blasts it can automatically absorb anything with "energy" in it's name....

That Thanos clone they beat, also was beaten up by KAZAR! So no, it is no feat at all. He was also nearly killed by SHIELD weaponry at one point. Just being a Thanos clone means nothing, when Thanos called that clone a complete failure in Infinity Abyss...

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
then of course there is the HUGE, ENORMOUS question that has me asking if onslaught could (1) create TK shields around all of them, (2) shield genis and ss’s minds (3) do the shunt-thingy (4) then do the hurricane AND (5) EMP.

And you say we’re stretching OUR guys thin??

Of course... we don't have to do everything with one hammer, after all. Since, you know, your other hammer was broken into pieces from using an Exitar-level godblast.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
we have 2 beings amped to thanos-levels of strength (recall what thanos did to ss physicallyand another WITH thor's strength. bill and thor in that armor would be)

mm hmm.... so beating up on a Thanosi who has also lost to Kazar, gives one Thanos level strength? This clone was far inferior to the original.

Also, even Ben Grimm has been able to knock the real Thanos around. Getting some blows in on an incredibly weak copy is really not the feat you want. So when you say "amped up to thanos-levels of strength'", I think you really mean "amped up to Kazar-levels of strength".


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Originally posted by leonidas
sure he may be slightly more durable, but nowhere NEAR durable enough to handle a godblast.

Oh really... how much energy are you putting into that godblast?

At it's regular levels, it cannot hurt Juggernaut. In contrast, I think we all know what Onslaught did when he fought against Juggernaut. In that case, the godblast is not even on Onslaught's level of OFFENSIVE power, let alone capable of one-shotting him.

At it's higher levels where it can break Exitar's armor (note that that did absolutely nothing to actually injure him), using that godblast will cause Thor's hammer to shatter.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9729/thorgb2.jpg

Fun fact: If current Thor's hammer shatters, he dies.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9397/thor602009.jpg

Have fun with that Godblast, though.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
and let’s ignore the fact that he is being drained . . .?

Yes, let's, since his silver skin prevents the energy from actually being taken.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
so we’ll ignore it.

Taking quotes out of context is fun.


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Originally posted by leonidas
sure we can. We DO have 2 hammers . . . .

Actually you have one. Unless you mean you won't be using a godblast after all.

But let's talk about that godblast, again. Here's some scans of him using it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast412.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast389.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast161.jpg

Notice one thing they all have in common? Thor has to CHARGE UP the godblast, before he can unleash it! eek!

All of our team has speed superior to that of SS... with our massive advantage, there's no way you'll ever be able to hit Onslaught with that kind of thing.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
kind of you, but shielded by nate (who is watching our backs and could deal with the boards himself) and with our durability and strength amped by the armor, we wouldn’t even notice your boards.

That's right, FEAR the armor, and it's... Kazar level feats...

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Originally posted by leonidas
he can try. Presence tried too.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionv244.jpg

And kang.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionAEMH.jpg

And even allowing that he CAN battle the effects, that will require all his effort and leave ss and genis unprotected and open to nate’s mindrapage.

It won't require any of his effort because SS's cosmic glaze means that the tactics shown in those two scans WILL NOT WORK. Here, just to post it again...

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/...enslavers64.jpg

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
except that ss has been manipulated mentally by the likes of loki and Dracula and genis is so mentally unstable that a small push is all we’d need to put him in a coma as he loses control of his cosmic awareness. And while they tried to fight nate’s assault, they would be pummeled into oblivion by amped bill and thor.

lol, somehow Loki TRICKING him, means that that shows SS's telepathic resistance is bad? Cunning talk =/= telepathy feat.

Photon was unstable because of existing in all times simultaneously. In the first round it was ruled that this effect will not occur in this tourney because of all characters needing to exist in the present and no time manipulation.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
Nate is doing nothing in this match except linking us and providing shield support and watching our backs. Once onslaught falls, he can launch a mental assault at ss or genis.

That's good to know, because Thor killed himself with his own godblast, meaning that it is essentially Beta Ray Bill vs our entire team.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
They actually have no way to harm us. This is a BADDDDDDD match up for them. we are their Achilles heel. Endless absorption and uber magical offense and uber physical prowess. We counter anything they throw our way. They really can’t stop us from weakening them and taking them out one at a time with relative ease . . .

lol... we have no need to stop you from trying to weaken us because we already showed such a tactic won't work on a single member of our team.



Things to keep in mind:

Thor's godblast is a suicide tactic.

We are far, far faster than them and can dodge their pathetic efforts at attacking all day if we needed to.

Our cosmic glaze prevents them from weakening us through energy drain.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
However, id did not post one scan... one scan that makes this all futile for them...

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/...enslavers64.jpg

In case you don't know the context, that was Mrrungo Mu, a Galactus level villain whose power is to absorb energy from others. He got to be so powerful, by absorbing the power of millions of civilizations into himself. He easily defeated and took the energy of every hero on earth, including Thor. But even he can't drain the energy of SS, as long as he has his cosmic glaze.

Now, if you recall our prep, all of our characters were given SS's powers and a similar cosmic glaze. Therefore you won't be draining energy from ANY of us.
Galactus level by mu’s claim. SS matched him the whole time and most of the time he was only HALF power!

Here’s another:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6543/ssdrained.jpg

A REAL Galactus level character using his tech to drain Surfer and everyone else. One scan does not make an argument I’m afraid. We’ve a WEALTH of evidence to support he can and HAS been drained (see our OP as well.) You have one pis moment to refute it. Come on.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you have any evidence of being able to absorb EMP? You are doing one hell of extrapolation to assume that because his hammer has absorbed blasts it can automatically absorb anything with "energy" in it's name....
It’s not the blanket term ‘energy’ -- it’s the term ‘electromagnetic’:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...4-Magnetism.jpg

Aside from that, the hammers have also absorbed the power cosmic, Heimdall’s cosmic flame, Blastaar’s blasts, the galaxy-busting power of the Null Bomb, etc, etc. So I don’t see how it’s a stretch to assume we could absorb a simple EMP?

Furthermore, we have stressed time and time again that we can either absorb OR shield ourselves against any attack(s) you can muster – unless of course you think that a friggin’ EMP can do what characters like: Odin, Surfer, Stardust, the Skrull Godkiller, Qabiri, MODT, etc. have been unable to do, and that is: breach our shields.

C’mon.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
mm hmm.... so beating up on a Thanosi who has also lost to Kazar, gives one Thanos level strength? This clone was far inferior to the original.

Also, even Ben Grimm has been able to knock the real Thanos around. Getting some blows in on an incredibly weak copy is really not the feat you want. So when you say "amped up to thanos-levels of strength'", I think you really mean "amped up to Kazar-levels of strength".
Just so we are all clear, the Thanosi we are talking about was making Hulk look like a weak feeb:
http://img705.imageshack.us/i/hulk1z.jpg/
http://img705.imageshack.us/i/hulk2b.jpg/


Then when Hulk donned the armor, he became more than a match for that Thanosi:
http://img109.imageshack.us/i/natearmor1.jpg/
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/natearmor2.jpg/
http://img691.imageshack.us/i/natearmor3.jpg/
http://img4.imageshack.us/i/natearmor4.jpg/


But as was stated in our OP, not only is our strength boosted, but our durability is as well..

Here the Thanosi severely harms Hulk with one of it’s blasts:
http://img525.imageshack.us/i/hulk3.jpg/

And here the blast was completely ineffectual against Hulk in the armor:
http://img691.imageshack.us/i/natearmor3.jpg/


So yes. The psi-armor gives us a huge boost in strength AND durability.


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Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh really... how much energy are you putting into that godblast?
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
enough to kill you? confused not sure if you noticed but . . . you’re not exitar.



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Originally posted by King Kandy
At it's regular levels, it cannot hurt Juggernaut. In contrast, I think we all know what Onslaught did when he fought against Juggernaut. In that case, the godblast is not even on Onslaught's level of OFFENSIVE power, let alone capable of one-shotting him.

At it's higher levels where it can break Exitar's armor (note that that did absolutely nothing to actually injure him), using that godblast will cause Thor's hammer to shatter.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9729/thorgb2.jpg

Fun fact: If current Thor's hammer shatters, he dies.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9397/thor602009.jpg

Have fun with that Godblast, though.
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Originally posted by leonidas
seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Thor has used SEVERAL GB’s in his career and it has NEVER broken mjolnir except that one time. Coincidentally, it was the same time he added the increased enchantment the belt gave the hammer. We . . . don’t have the belt.

But yeah, I can see why you would doubt the GB’s ability to harm onslaught. I mean who could think an attack that harms galactus and celestials and overcomes a skyfather level enchantment (cytorak’s) could possibly harm a combination of Xavier and magneto.




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Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes, let's, since his silver skin prevents the energy from actually being taken.
Addressed earlier. Surfer has already proven (time and time again) that his power can be forcibly sapped (see our OP.)

Realistically you bringing up that single instance is no different than a blatant fanboy posting this scan on Spidey’s behalf:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4474/270161im.gif




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Originally posted by King Kandy
But let's talk about that godblast, again. Here's some scans of him using it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast412.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast389.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...Godblast161.jpg

Notice one thing they all have in common? Thor has to CHARGE UP the godblast, before he can unleash it! eek!
You may want to have a gander at our prep period. Upon so doing you will notice that part of said prep time entailed Thor charging up a Godblast. wink



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Originally posted by King Kandy
All of our team has speed superior to that of SS... with our massive advantage, there's no way you'll ever be able to hit Onslaught with that kind of thing.
Ah the proverbial ‘speed edge’ heh. One thing I would like to mention where that’s concerned is that never once in any Thor/Surfer, or BRB/Surfer encounter has this ‘speed edge’ played much of (if any) kind of factor. For instance, here BRB has no trouble perceiving and reacting to Surfer:
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/brbreact3.jpg/
http://img138.imageshack.us/i/brbreact4.jpg/


Here Bill’s speed proves sufficient to overwhelm the likes of Stardust (another herald):
http://img202.imageshack.us/i/brbreact5.jpg/


Here Bill has no problem perceiving a beam traveling at multiple times the speed of light:
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/brbreact1.jpg/
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/brbreact2.jpg/


Aside from that, we will be constantly draining you. This will make it quite hard for you guys to do…. Anything at all, really. Why? Because every second the battle lasts, you are going to become geometrically weaker.

And as if the above isn’t enough, we also have very potent omni-directional blasts we can utilize. The likes of which have owned Surfer/Warlock:
http://img535.imageshack.us/i/thoromni1.jpg/

As well as numerous demons/the Wrecking Crew in Tanaraq’s realm:
http://img697.imageshack.us/i/brbomniblast1.jpg/

So no matter where you are, we can tag you.





In short:

The tactics our opponents keep trying to use have been countered and dealt with no matter which route they try to travel.

They have NO psi-edge, and have posted nothing *solid* to display how or why Shaman would be unable to mind rape Surfer/Photon – or at the very least explain why Shaman couldn’t at least keep them busy until Thor/Bill KO them (which would happen rather swiftly, mind you.).

They are relying almost exclusively on the ‘Surfer-skin’ to protect them against our energy absorbing capabilities – however, Surfer himself has been forcibly drained several times – we possess two of the most uber energy absorbing weapons in comics, period. We can and will drain their energies, and there is quite literally nothing they can do about it.

Even though they switched tactics and are now trying to use speed against us, their speed counts for nothing. We have already shown that we are more than capable of combating (and in some cases overwhelming) the speed of Heralds one on one. On top of that we WILL be constantly draining them. On top of that we can manifest uber shielding/omni-directional blasts on the fly --- and tack on the fact that once Onslaught is out almost immediately after the battle begins (something which they’ve still yet to counter with anything solid) Surfer and Photon then become vulnerable to TP assaults from Nate.


*The bottom line is that they did not mention a single means by which they can harm us and have shown NOTHING at all in terms of offense. All they want to claim is that they can dodge and run away, but thor and bill have never had problems battling them before.*


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  1. Hey look at that, Thor’s Mjolnir broken.

    That’s a vary bad scenario, I don’t believe team Galan/Leo thought through the full consequences of using the daunting “God Blast“. If you take their comments directly from their prep, they wish to use the same blast that drove Galactus away, or smashed a Celestial armor.
    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by leonidas
    Why am I convinced that a Godblast is far more powerful than the above energy attacks? Well here are a few reasons for starters…

    Busts through Exitar’s armor:

    Causes a great deal of harm to Galactus himself:

    Need I say more?


    From their own mouths, they wish to conjure the highest output ever conceived once again referencing Exitar as a measuring stick.
    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by leonidas
    enough to kill you? not sure if you noticed but . . . you’re not exitar.

    Now the clincher comes from the fact that they have no proper means to back up, & support that Mjolnir through the ordeal. Without proper support, that mallet will shatter under its own pressure. Contrary to Leo’s belief, the “Belt of Strength” did not add on to the power, but was used as means to support Mjolnir [1]. Unsuccessfully I might add.

    So let me get right to the point. The God Blast comes at a huge price, not only will Mjolnir shatter, and severely exhaust Thor. But given the current situation, Thor will die from the ordeal. Currently his life force is tied into the mallet. If Mjolinir shatters, Thor Dies [1], making the God Blast a suicide attack.

    1 - http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7074/mallet.jpg
    2 - http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9397/thor602009.jpg

  2. Astral Disturbance, and being Mind Blind
    Naturally our opponents will contest the effects of an astral disturbance. But responding, does not equate to properly refuting. Here let me explain as to why.

    Not only does it shunt Telepaths of their ability. But if they are tuned in, when the disturbance occurs they face severe backlash. Nate is a prime example, the ordeal left him knocked out, and mind blind. You see there is no real defense for it, and it truly does not matter how skilled, or powerful you are [1].

    If you’re an avid fan of psi characters, its common knowledge that Telepaths need to tune into the astral plane for them to apply their craft. But if your not, all you have to do is look into Nate’s own comment, who wishes to apply his telepathy, yet finds himself unable to, from his inability to tune into the astral plane[2&3].

    And this is how I end Psionics 101, and address the current situation. X-Man enters the battlefield tuned into the astral plane thanks to psi-link, that is a given. Unfortunately at the start of the bell Charlie, cut lose the same class of disturbance that previously K.O ed Nate. Because Nate is tuned in, he faces a severe backlash that both K.O‘s, and mind blinds him. If Nate happens to recover, his psi abilities are crippled from the existing disturbance in the psi plane.

    1 - http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3018/xmen077p22.jpg

    2 - http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/...nyxmen33515.jpg
    3 - http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/...yxmen335p11.jpg


  3. Make no mistake about it. At this point the “Silver Photons” are superior energy manipulators then “Hammer Brothers“. Keep in mind that we hold an intrinsic control over energy, unlike the Hammer Bros, & their heavy reliance on external items. Silver Photons manipulate all forms of energy down to its quantum components [1], magic is no exception [2]. Thors magic is not an exception, given that Odin’s magic fell under our our cosmic influence [3]. They have gone as far as absorb a Universe worth of energy, and transform it into any form they like[4]. The Nega bands themselves can absorb 5 star systems worth of energy, apparently there are no upper limits as a Galaxy worth of energy can be siphoned [5]. Lets not forget they can regulate, and channel enough energy to destroy the universe itself [6]. Or shunt energy from anywhere, and everywhere [7].

    Why bother to pick up a pissing contest; of my character > yours…when your clearly outclassed?

    1 - http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/...uantumlevel.jpg
    2 - http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/99...rvelv302114.jpg
    3 - http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/...imited05-10.jpg
    4 - http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/...sh/Upgrade3.jpg
    5 - http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4011/cmarvel2315.jpg
    6 - http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/86...ck1998ls401.jpg
    7- http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...4-vsSentry4.jpg

    But wait, there is still one more point to address regarding energy manipulation.

    quote:

    Galactus level by mu’s claim.

    Here is another: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6543/ssdrained.jpg


    Aside from that, we will be constantly draining you.

    Correction, it was Surfer who commented Mu was Galactus level. But here is a fun fact, since you want to whore the energy drainage as if its an exclusive feat.

    The Silver Photons, and per extension Cosmic Charlie can absorb energy. We have already submitted proof, that we can resist or be immune to energy absorption. But what keeps you guys safe from energy drainage?

    The Hammer Brothers where drained by Mu, and Tyrants appliance. What feat guarantee’s you wont fall victim to the same scheme?




Some Refuting


quote:
armor that MIGHT keep out chuck against SHAMAN nate? this mansion was equipped with anti-psi tech that was supposed to keep out nate too:


Lesser anti-psi armors have proved to be vary effective [1]. Besides did you actually READ that scan? Lord Yaru was only aware of Nate’s telepathy [2], so when he ordered to turn on the psionic inhibitors Nate explains to him that his info is incorrect, and had Telekinetically dismantled them upon his intrusion [3]. Meaning he dismantled them before, they where activated.

1 - http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7016/xman03802.jpg
2 - http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/...limited3133.jpg
3 - http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/29...limited3134.jpg

quote:
so while the shield MAY stop him from finding them with tp, he WOULD see the energy genis exerts to CREATE the cloak. They also never said they went invisible, but even if they WERE, nate's ability to see energy would STILL allow him to find them. Specially given how much energy they have.


And their lies the problem, you don’t Pay Attention. I believe this scan was submitted, during prep in reference to Genis backing up the teams cloaking [1]. By warping space not only does it cloak our presence by making us invisible, but hide our energy signal as well.

1 - http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg

quote:
as far as the 'hurricane': a WEAKENED cable was able to withstand and guard others against it. we have uber-amped bill and thor in psi-armor, entering the match ACTIVELY draining surrounding energy and shielded by nate’s power. The hurricane is just unleashed psi energy. We can absorb psi energy. If we didn’t just absorb all of it, bill would easily lessen it’s effects. So, I see that hurricane doing exactly NOTHING.


The Psi Hurricane is nothing more then an “Aversion”. Congratulations you just acknowledged, the need to actually address our “Aversion” wasting precious time, and resources.

quote:
and? thor was caught by surprise, that's why he was affected physically. we are ready, ARMORED and go in ALREADY absorbing whatever energy we can reach. an EMP is a simple high intensity release of EM radiation. we'd simply absorb the EM burst. .

At what point will you absorb the EMP? In the middle of tracking us (lol hammer swings)? While you are blocking Silver Photons attack(s)? During the psi hurricane drain ordeal? Ah the fruitless act of draining our characters directly, that’s when you’ll strike…..I know right about the shield drain! Or when they decided to fire what ever blasts, well suicide blast for Thor.

You cant expect us to believe, that the Hammer brothers mallets can multi-task to such extant. erm


quote:
we have 2 beings amped to thanos-levels of strength (recall what thanos did to ss physically) and another WITH thor's strength. bill and thor in that armor would be almost impossible for you to even HARM physically considering a thanosi couldn't break through it. energy of course is useless against us, AND we are wielding uber magic. But you win every exchange? Lol?

No matter how you want to look at it, that astral disturbance cripples Nate, and in effect the Psi Armors as well.

But lets keep things relative. Those Psi Constructs can not take a direct hit from Holocaust [1]. Silver Photons, could just as easily break down your psi constructs [2].


1- http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6129/psiarmor.jpg
2 - http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/...lts016page1.jpg

quote:
Lol he’s the LEAST threatening (ironic then HE’s doing all the offense). we want him gone because he’s the only thing keeping your other 2 guys from getting mindraped.


Our Cosmic Powers, provide us with the necessary tools to block mental attacks. Lets not forget our anti-psi armors. But what keeps you guys safe, with Nate out the game? Our entire roster can mind rape. no expression


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Hey look at that, Thor’s Mjolnir broken.


hey, look at that, the one time it happened the belt was wrapped around it. so how about showing a time the hammer broke from a GB that was NOT wrapped by the belt of strength? you DO like these one time showing-type things, eh? too bad they're always countered by a WEALTH of refuting evidence.

seriously. not sure why i'm entertaining one of the worst arguments ever put forth. i'll go out on a limb and say the judges are smart enough to see that a GB won't break our hammer. lol

quote:
From their own mouths, they wish to conjure the highest output ever conceived


the highest ever output? that was accomplished with the belt. which, you know, we don't have . . . . . and regardless--no where did we say we were putting 'the highest output [email protected]!!!1!' into the blast! lol we showed examples of what it was capable of. Guess we'll have to settle for a GB level of attack that injured galactus. poor us. no expression

quote:
Not only does it shunt Telepaths of their ability. But if they are tuned in, when the disturbance occurs they face severe backlash. Nate is a prime example, the ordeal left him knocked out, and mind blind.


curious how you left out what actually CAUSED that . . . and that it wasn't onslaught.

quote:
its common knowledge that Telepaths need to tune into the astral plane for them to apply their craft.


hypothesis=/=fact. and it's irrelevant anyway.

quote:
Charlie, cut lose the same class of disturbance that previously K.O ed Nate.


and WHY did it ko a weaker, unshielded, less experienced nate . . . . .? BECAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PSI-PLANE.

quote:
Because Nate is tuned in, he faces a severe backlash that both K.O‘s, and mind blinds him.


not unless he's on the psi plane--and even then who knows how a far more powerful SHAMAN would handle that event.

quote:
If Nate happens to recover, his psi abilities are crippled from the existing disturbance in the psi plane.


not even close, i'm afraid. regular nate fought off onslaught's 'disturbance' and almost immediately following still demonstrated some uber power. again, ours is prepared, shielded and far stronger. he would also have already FACED this attack from onslaught, further preparing him. and you really need to stop saying things like--"because it did this to young, inexperienced nate, it would do the same thing to a far more powerful and skilled shaman."

quote:
“Silver Photons” are superior energy manipulators then “Hammer Brothers“. . . . . Lets not forget they can regulate, and channel enough energy to destroy the universe itself


lol

we don't care about your energy manipulation. nice that you admit they have 'universe destroying power' though. not sure, but i'll go out on a limb and suggest using THAT type of feat MIGHT be illegal. oh wait, did you just use that as an example??? so that must mean you ARE using universe destroying power, right??? like we're using hammer melting GB's? so, i guess this is over since you just went and got yourselves dq'd! well done! good match and all that . . . big grin

quote:
Why bother to pick up a pissing contest; of my character > yours…when your clearly outclassed?


again, we don't really care about your ability to manipulate energy. once onslaught is out, nate can at the VERY LEAST keep you busy while thor and bill punch you repeatedly in the face and ko you like this:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...super_super.jpg

no energy manip required. smile

quote:
Correction, it was Surfer who commented Mu was Galactus level.

mu claimed it as well--both, obviously, were very wrong.

quote:
But what keeps you guys safe from energy drainage?


you want to do what? grab the hammers and absorb their power? sweet! we beg you to come close enough to try that. that's what we WANT--close quarters combat. and i don't suppose you have proof that you can simply drain the hammers? cuz afaik that has never happened. and it might be a bit tough to pull off while we're feeding the hammers, very forcibly and repeatedly, to you.


quote:
Lesser anti-psi armors have proved to be vary effective


so, was that a mech or a guy in armor?

And blocks don’t really seem to hinder the shaman very much:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6898/xman202zv9.jpg

and you’re telling me a guy capable of extending his tp across the multiverse won’t be able to bypass armor that couldn’t keep out Xavier??

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8250/16gk0.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2830/18iy6.jpg

come on now. I know how much you love nate and I KNOW even YOU don’t believe that, id . . .

besides—XAVIER IS A TELEPATH. The armor—even if it DID work against nate’s tp, wouldn’t stop him from TELEKINETICLLY dismantling it at molecular level. So . . . the armor fails for a bunch of reasons. I also love how you wear it UNDER your silver skin . . . lol like THAT would be possible . . .

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And their lies the problem, you don’t Pay Attention. I believe this scan was submitted, during prep in reference to Genis backing up the teams cloaking [1]. By warping space not only does it cloak our presence by making us invisible, but hide our energy signal as well.


so, then help me out. (1) where exactly in that scan does it say it hides his energy signal again? (2) and more important--explain how exactly you are performing this feat. he did it by manipulating space/time. by creating a warp in space/time. you know what happened the LAST time you tried manipulating the environment like that--ruled ILLEGAL. no reality warp. space/time IS reality. no warp creations, i'm afraid. if you can open a warp to hide in, we can open a dimensional warp in the form of a vortex to suck you in. THAT would be easy to accomplish.

and, as if trying to get anyone to believe onslaught can do all the things you're having him do isn't enough, you NOW expect everyone to believe onslaught can do ALL those things . . . . . while being illegally cloaked behind a warp in space/time??

IF HE'S STILL WITHIN THE BATTLEFIELD (because it sounds an awful lot like he warped space and is hiding within that warp, or behind space, which would mean onslaught absolutely could not do any sort of attack AND you'd would be dq'd for self-bfr) i'm thinking that really isn't very likely. we never see genis attack from his cloaked position. i wonder if that might have something to do with the fact that if he did . . . it might GIVE AWAY HIS LOCATION.

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The Psi Hurricane is nothing more then an “Aversion”. Congratulations you just acknowledged, the need to actually address our “Aversion” wasting precious time, and resources.


lol we are so strong and durable we wouldn't even notice it. nate is also already shielding us. not sure what precious energy we're wasting, but . . . ok. smile

quote:
At what point will you absorb the EMP?


we could ask at what point--while being drained and GB'd to the stone age--you actually UNLEASH the EMP? and we would absorb it the same time we are draining your shields and your psi-energy. i'm curious how you actually think onslaught can perform all these feast you have him doing in such rapid succession, hidden within a warp in space/time, WHILE being drained from the get-go and getting GB'd.

quote:
You cant expect us to believe, that the Hammer brothers mallets can multi-task to such extant.


we drain and blast. woo, complex stuff.


quote:
No matter how you want to look at it, that astral disturbance cripples Nate, and in effect the Psi Armors as well.


since he's not on the psi-plane, since he's faced the attack before, WITHSTOOD IT, is prepared, is stronger and is shielded, he'll be perfectly fine, thanks.

quote:
But lets keep things relative. Those Psi Constructs can not take a direct hit from Holocaust [1]. Silver Photons, could just as easily break down your psi constructs [2].


lol

with an energy blast maybe?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionSS04.jpg

once that happened, we could just KEEP draining, like what thor did to presence (see my above post). Even if we don’t drain all your energy, we could weaken you significantly and while you battle the drain the others could finish you off. Once onslaught is dealt with, it’s 3-2 and this is overin a variety of ways, drain or no drain.

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Our Cosmic Powers, provide us with the necessary tools to block mental attacks. Lets not forget our anti-psi armors. But what keeps you guys safe, with Nate out the game? Our entire roster can mind rape


genis and ss mindrape? lol?

anywho, they put ALL their eggs on the shunting thingy. without that, they KNOW they can't harm us in anyway at all—as is evinced by their complete and utter lack of any offensive strategy.

to reiterate--this is a BADDD match up for them. we have the far superior defense (one they can't get around), we have mounted a very strong, consistent and unanswered (GB MELTS the hammer???) offense and have KEPT on the offensive throughout, countering and attacking. they tried to say they’d spend their time dodging, but . . . that’s not gonna win a match, nor is blasting us with energy. their 'perfect', supremely versatile amalgams of ss and genis have been rendered effectively USELESS in this match, as seen by their utter lack of offense. Once onslaught is out, we pick off the other 2 easily via weakening through energy drain then mindrape, or mindrape to ko or weaken while amped thor and amped bill pummel to ko. This really is a relatively simple and straight forward match.


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I think Leo posted his new post a bit too quickly-- he tried to use several arguments we had already proved wrong last post.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
hey, look at that, the one time it happened the belt was wrapped around it. so how about showing a time the hammer broke from a GB that was NOT wrapped by the belt of strength? you DO like these one time showing-type things, eh? too bad they're always countered by a WEALTH of refuting evidence.

seriously. not sure why i'm entertaining one of the worst arguments ever put forth. i'll go out on a limb and say the judges are smart enough to see that a GB won't break our hammer. lol

This perpetuates that stupid "it was the belt of strength that increased it's power" argument they tried using a while back. Fortunately we have since posted a scan showing how the belt did NOT increase the godblasts strength or aid in breaking mjolnir. Quite the opposite in fact, the belt was there to prevent mjolnir from breaking, meaning that without it, mjolnir would have been even MORE ****ed up.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7074/mallet.jpg

Read the scan this time leo.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
the highest ever output? that was accomplished with the belt. which, you know, we don't have . . . . . and regardless--no where did we say we were putting 'the highest output [email protected]!!!1!' into the blast! lol we showed examples of what it was capable of. Guess we'll have to settle for a GB level of attack that injured galactus. poor us. no expression

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7074/mallet.jpg

Read the scan this time leo.



quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
lol

we don't care about your energy manipulation. nice that you admit they have 'universe destroying power' though. not sure, but i'll go out on a limb and suggest using THAT type of feat MIGHT be illegal. oh wait, did you just use that as an example??? so that must mean you ARE using universe destroying power, right??? like we're using hammer melting GB's? so, i guess this is over since you just went and got yourselves dq'd! well done! good match and all that . . . big grin

lol, same stupid stupid tactic of paradoxically claiming that we are over the caps but at the same time your characters can stomp us. It didn't work or make sense last time, when Smurph and Jake used it on us. It makes even less this time and shows your habit for taking things out of context.

I understand this probably wasn't a serious claim. Your strategy seems to be to post a variety of arguments that can easily be refuted with single scans we have, in the hope doing so will take to much effort. However all it takes is a copy and paste.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
again, we don't really care about your ability to manipulate energy. once onslaught is out, nate can at the VERY LEAST keep you busy while thor and bill punch you repeatedly in the face and ko you like this:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/...super_super.jpg

no energy manip required. smile

Onslaught's not going to be out, but even if he was we're quite a bit too fast for you, with nanosecond reaction time and ftl speeds.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
mu claimed it as well--both, obviously, were very wrong.

How exactly were they both "obviously" wrong?

Galactus himself respected Mrrungo Mu's powers and this was while quite POed at him.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2731/ssenslavers05.jpg

Meanwhile, here's the fight between 50% Surfer and Mrrungo Mu. Note how Surfer points out that even at full power it wouldn't have gone much better for him.

http://img695.imageshack.us/i/ssenslavers59.jpg/
http://img163.imageshack.us/i/ssenslavers62.jpg/


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
so, was that a mech or a guy in armor?

And blocks don’t really seem to hinder the shaman very much:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6898/xman202zv9.jpg

Blocks designed be a group of people with "good connections" =/= blocks designed by one of the world's leading telepaths and expert on science of TP.

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Originally posted by leonidas
so, then help me out. (1) where exactly in that scan does it say it hides his energy signal again? (2) and more important--explain how exactly you are performing this feat. he did it by manipulating space/time. by creating a warp in space/time. you know what happened the LAST time you tried manipulating the environment like that--ruled ILLEGAL. no reality warp. space/time IS reality. no warp creations, i'm afraid. if you can open a warp to hide in, we can open a dimensional warp in the form of a vortex to suck you in. THAT would be easy to accomplish.

This may be your silliest argument to date. He bends/warps the light/energy around him much like invisible woman, or the gravitational lensing of of any high-gravity object.

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Originally posted by leonidas
and, as if trying to get anyone to believe onslaught can do all the things you're having him do isn't enough, you NOW expect everyone to believe onslaught can do ALL those things . . . . . while being illegally cloaked behind a warp in space/time??

DURR...

Um, yeah we do. Except for the "illegal" part, because that is nothing but speculation on your part. Meanwhile our invisible characters will be attacking you while invisible since it poses no problem...

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Originally posted by leonidas
IF HE'S STILL WITHIN THE BATTLEFIELD (because it sounds an awful lot like he warped space and is hiding within that warp, or behind space, which would mean onslaught absolutely could not do any sort of attack AND you'd would be dq'd for self-bfr) i'm thinking that really isn't very likely. we never see genis attack from his cloaked position. i wonder if that might have something to do with the fact that if he did . . . it might GIVE AWAY HIS LOCATION.

He didn't attack them, because he wasn't even trying to destroy them at all, just toy with them. As you'd know if you read the issue. And if you think he was trying to avoid giving his location away, then WHY did he appear behind them visible?! eek!

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Originally posted by leonidas
lol we are so strong and durable we wouldn't even notice it. nate is also already shielding us. not sure what precious energy we're wasting, but . . . ok. smile

That armor you've shown has absolutely nothing to show any strength, except for helping against a Thanos clone who has been PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERED by Ka-Zar. Not impressed.


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Originally posted by leonidas
lol

with an energy blast maybe?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...orptionSS04.jpg

once that happened, we could just KEEP draining, like what thor did to presence (see my above post). Even if we don’t drain all your energy, we could weaken you significantly and while you battle the drain the others could finish you off. Once onslaught is dealt with, it’s 3-2 and this is overin a variety of ways, drain or no drain.

And it all comes back to "we suck out your energy"... we already posted scans PROVING that energy drainers beyond any character in this tournament could not absorb through the cosmic glaze, but somehow seeing it on-panel, in-comics was not enough for you. Here, for your viewing pleasure, are approximately a billion scans confirming the exact same thing.

1 - http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/...enslavers64.jpg
2 - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...200140ovxb3.jpg
3 - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...200142ovur0.jpg
4 - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...324roguerm2.jpg
5 - http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4620/9836.jpg
6 - http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/...801619soxn0.jpg
7 - http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/...801620sohi5.jpg

Get over that strategy. I know you're relying on it, but it just doesn't work.


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