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Neo is not supposed to be like Jesus?
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JediHDM
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He also 'embodies the same likeness' as Buddha...or Gandhi(sp?), or Muhammed, or...what's your point?


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I think that he was supposed to be like Jesus, but the Bros I think tried not only to in someways illustrate the origins of Christianity (Judaism, Greek mythology) but also not to put Christianity above all other religions.


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if he was supposed to be like Jesus, then that automatically places Christianity above other religions. Either one or the other. Either he is just similar to Jesus in the same way that he is similar to Buddha or Muhammed, or they are saying Christianity is more important.


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quote:
Originally posted by JediHDM
if he was supposed to be like Jesus, then that automatically places Christianity above other religions. Either one or the other. Either he is just similar to Jesus in the same way that he is similar to Buddha or Muhammed, or they are saying Christianity is more important.

But depending on what religious teaching you follow or are sympathic to, will determine which religion you identify in the trilogy more or first.

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Numo> It’s true, that if you’re narrow-minded and has never studied other religions, you may see ONLY the Buddhist, Islam, Christian, Jewish, Greek, Hindi connection in the movies.
But what about all us atheists? What do you think WE see in the movies?
We get stuff like: The Architect is the Creator of the “world”, a white bearded man in white even! big grin He has a PLAN he follows, and he manipulates his creations to full-fill this plan. Should such an omnipotent being exist that pulls invisible strings its our “duty” as free-willed free-thinking beings to break free of these bonds.


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I Do still think that he was intended to be more like Jesus, as opposed to any other Saviour, saint, or whatever they may be...the "coincidences" are to blatantly obvious to deny this..........


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quote:
Originally posted by The Omega
Numo> It’s true, that if you’re narrow-minded and has never studied other religions, you may see ONLY the Buddhist, Islam, Christian, Jewish, Greek, Hindi connection in the movies.
But what about all us atheists? What do you think WE see in the movies?
We get stuff like: The Architect is the Creator of the “world”, a white bearded man in white even! big grin He has a PLAN he follows, and he manipulates his creations to full-fill this plan. Should such an omnipotent being exist that pulls invisible strings its our “duty” as free-willed free-thinking beings to break free of these bonds.

It is true that the Creator must be all things to all people, Buddha to the Buddhists, Allah to the Muslims, even non-existent to the atheists.

Even though the Architect existed, how many people in the matrix apart from Neo and the Oracle KNEW of his existence.

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((The Anomaly))> if you aren't going to listen to our reasoning, then why start the thread?

Omega said it right when she said It’s true, that if you’re narrow-minded and has never studied other religions, you may see ONLY the Buddhist, Islam, Christian, Jewish, Greek, Hindi connection in the movies. If you are only looking for the Christian aspects, then you only see the Christian aspects, and you think Neo is Jesus. But he is not. The Bros. are not christian, and even if they were, they are trying to give a bigger picture than just Jesus of Christianity.


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What are the Wachowskis, anyways? Atheists?

There was another religion I heard people thought they might be... don't remember what it was called... had something to do with using elements of all the major religions or something. Anyone know?

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quote:
Originally posted by sum1butno1
What are the Wachowskis, anyways? Atheists?

There was another religion I heard people thought they might be... don't remember what it was called... had something to do with using elements of all the major religions or something. Anyone know?

I think Ba'hai.

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I suddenly wondered why the defence of Zion (Neo, Morpheus, Trinity etc.) are all dressed in black (leather) once they are plugged in the matrix.
Is that also a reference to something religious?

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Forgot one (maybe important) thing.
Niobe is, as far as I can see, the only one dressed in red leather instead of black.

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There's already a post just like this. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f42/t291102.html

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JediHDM
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actually...technically, this one was first...but we won't go technically...

i think it is just a personal preference, a way to stand apart from the crowd...besides, they are the only ones that can get away with it, seeing as how leather can't chafe what isn't real...


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i do listen to ur reasoning..however....i do agree that he is not "jesus" and that there other religious references to Neo, however..i think that he is predominately more like jesus then any others...thats just me though


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quote:
Originally posted by Numo
I think Ba'hai.


I don't think I've ever heard of that religion. What is it?

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Did you know that Nebuchadnezzar was the asiro-babylonian king that FREED the hebreu people .... this is maybe the purpose of the hovercraft's name ... to free them ....

Also Seraph ... seraphims are the highest kind of angels (besides archangels) .. holly protectors: "I guard that which matters most"

I am more interested however in the history of the Merovingian ... I couldn't find much on the internet ...


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Update to the above (if Lordnikon doesn't mind wink)
Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Babylon.
Morpheus was/is the God of dreams. I think that has something to do with the following line of Morpheus when the Nebuchadnezzar is blown apart.
"I had a dream, but now that dream is gone for me"

Well, very likely there's also a connection there (between the God of Dreams and the King of Babylon).

P.S
Thnx for the answer on my Blach leather question.

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I've done some thinking (wow!!)
If Morpheus is the king of dreams and the Nebuchadnezzar is the king of Babylon then it makes sence that Morpheus said that.

in theory:
The god of dreams (Morpheus) gives Nebuchadnezzar (king of Babylon) the "assignment" to free the people of hebreu (or else: the God of dreams "uses" the king of babylon to free these people), when Morpheus is witnessing the destruction (or the death) of Nebuchadnezzar (king of Babylon) he realises that he is run out of options to free the people of hebreu and with that his "dream" is gone.

The people of hebreu are from this point of view the people of Zion.
Zion is the hill where God has gathered the "believers" in Revelations chapter 14.
"Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads."

If anyone is interested in the book of revelations just send me an email [email protected].

Well, thats all for now.

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