I don't believe your theory Jr., and you're the illogical one. Just because you feel animosity toward the series does not give you the right to state your opinion as fact, which is exactly what you have done. Why should anyone believe you or your "Japanese speakin friend". You have not provided any concrete facts only a link to a movie that dies and rots after three days. The series itself in both Japanese and English state numerous times that next to the Golden Oozaru stage SSJ4 is the ultimate form. Even official and unofficial websites have this fact available on them. Like I said son, you need to think again. And that's not just my opinion its the opinion of the masses and the creotors of the series, sans Akira Toriyama.
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Sure, it states it, but then AFTERWARDS, it BOTH states AND shows that Goku's base is stronger. Also, I'd be more than happy to upload the video somewhere else, I just need to know what site can do that sort of thing. Unless, of course, you aren't willing to watch it because it could debunk your ENTIRE argument...
Also, the opinion of Toei, seeing as they created the damn show, and actually put all this crap in there, is that Base Kid Goku is pretty much the strongest person anywhere, so don't give me any of that BS. Have you even watched the last episodes? Goku says, BEFORE the whole BKG deal, that SSJ4 is pretty much the strongest. Then both he and Vegeta get their asses kicked in said form. Yet BASE Goku is able to withstand attacks from the VERY SAME person as if he wasn't doing anything to Goku at all. I'm sorry that you're too damn stubborn to see that GT doesn't make sense, but it's the damned truth.
GT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Get that through your thick skull. I don't know why you're trying to believe it does, when there's no real way
Cell losts those dead souls after he got out of his Imperfect form, and gained an SSJ-like Aura afterwards. When he came back from his own self destruction, he even had ELECTRICITY in his aura. -_-
You really can't say that Goku let Krillen beat him. I mean, sure, that would be the logical thing, all things considered, but A) It's never stated, B) It's never shown, and C) It's GT, therefore all logic goes out the window.
Listen to me you moronic imbecile...mmm..thats harsh but anyway, you can push your opinions as hard as you wish but you'll never convince me that base level Goku as a child nonetheless is more powerful than SSJ4 Goku. If this is so why didn't he fight Omega Shenron in base form in the beginning, because he could never win. So you're saying GT isn't logical and that's fine. The only crime I felt the series' creators commited was going ahead with only the dragonball artists and not Akira. How don't know how you could say Goku at base level is more powerful that a SSJ4. We don't see him hit or attack Omega Shenron he just charges the Spirit bomb and that immense energy must have shielded him from the evil Shenron's blasts. So it is obvious that Genki dama had defensive properties and you can't say that his base form is more powerful because I just said he never uses offense as the bomb protects him. And since does when Goku use his own energy to charge the spirit bomb? Never. The line should be and probably is "It" is fully charged now not "he". Keep in mind Goku received power for that bomb from people and planets across the universe it was the most powerful ball of ki energy ever unleashed and there is no way Goku could charge it up himself. And you also expect me and all other DB fans to believe that Goku at chibi base level was more powerful than Gogeta at SSJ4? Doubt it. And for the record I've seen all the episodes of GT and I have episode 63 and 64 on my pc right now. I also have the Goku Jr special. So sit down and hit up another thread buddy.
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It really does make Base KID Goku >>>> All. Except for Krillen. They fought at the very end of GT and Krillen kicked Goku's ass. Can't deny the facts, kid.
I liked DB and DBZ up until the Buu series then it just got stupid to me. Its like nothing they do against Buu works, until FINALLY goku throws a Spirit Bomb with all the energy from the galaxy in it. Gee... doesn't he also kill every bad guy in the Movies that way too? Also what the hell's the point of arguing about a show that apparenty doesn't make any sense. I haven't watched much of DBGT, but according to you all its so damn illogical that there's really no point in watching anyway. Also here are a few reasons why I didn't like the Buu series. First off, why blow the guy up at least ten times after the first three times didn't work? Vegeta killed himself trying to blow him up, then Gohan, Gotenks, And Goku try blowing him up!! It all seemed really pointless, especially after Buu blows up Earth.
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Genki Damas don't have defensive properties. And the blast didn't hit any sort of shield, it DIRECTLY hit Goku, and with an attack that was far bigger than the one that had JUST taken out SSJ4 Goku with ease. Really now, not even the Toei artists are dumb enough to have it shield anything, because it has NEVER ONCE done it before. Not even in filler, or the movies. Genki Damas always make Goku far more vulnerable than he normally is, yet he could STILL take that hit like it was nothing. Really now, you can deny it all you want, but it's never stated anywhere that the Genki Dama gives him a defensive upgrade, even in GT, and even then, the completely OPPOSITE is shown, because he is vulnerable. And the line was, "Look, he is all powered up now!" NOT that he is fully charged, nothing like that at all. It was clearly a HE. And it's obvious that he IS powered up, because again, he was able to withstand the blast with ease, and Genki Damas are NEVER STATED/SHOWN ANYWHERE(Even in GT) to protect the user. Believe what you want to, but Toei themselves made it out that way, that BKG is stronger. Of course, if you want to go against Toei, that's fine by me, I couldn't care less, they don't deserve any love anyway, after butchering up any sort of logic GT made.
Ok, so I made a spelling error, big deal. I imagine you have never mispelt a word in your lifetime???.If you feel had to post that fine by me and I thank you by the way. I suppose when you run out steam you resort to tedious activities like posting the correct spelling of Japanese terms. How mature.
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ok i am a dbz fan bu dont come on these threads often when i do you guys are trying ot kil each other we all know gt was crap and more messed up up then freiza,s sick and perverted gay mind (cause we all know the real reason why he ckept zarbon) also how many damn mirai trunks fans are there god i am seriously consider going stealth camouflauge on that fools ass and hcophim in half with my katana
p.s. (go first form cell he is cll the other 2 are crap)
I am also a grammar aficionado believe it or not. I believe in the proper use of language considering it is a part of my major. And, I just happened to misspell Mirai and I didn't realize it until you pointed out as all good critics do. So, kudos and it will never happen again, trust me.
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I imagine you have never mispelt a word in your lifetime???.If you feel had to post that fine by me and I thank you by the way. I suppose when you run out steam you resort to tedious activities like posting the correct spelling of Japanese terms. How mature. 
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