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Death Star or Star Forge?
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Fishy
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Okay Star Wars lesson time! Death Star hasn't missed once yet, even when firing at ships from a large distance... Apparantly laws of physics don't apply to Star Wars. Just like space has gravity and sound and all that crap. SW universe just works in a different way.


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Darth Koroni
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Okay Star Wars lesson time! Death Star hasn't missed once yet, even when firing at ships from a large distance... Apparantly laws of physics don't apply to Star Wars. Just like space has gravity and sound and all that crap. SW universe just works in a different way.


And don't forget ships going faster than the speed of light! But, seriously, when has the Death Star fired at a large ship with anything besides it's defense turrents? And it's very hard to miss a planet, now an orbiting space station, with a powerful shield would be easy to miss.

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And don't forget ships going faster than the speed of light! But, seriously, when has the Death Star fired at a large ship with anything besides it's defense turrents? And it's very hard to miss a planet, now an orbiting space station, with a powerful shield would be easy to miss.


They fired down ships with the Death Star in ROTJ. Since the SF is bigger than those they would be able to hit it too.
And for your "gravity affects light" comment - yes...right. But I doubt that if there isn't enough gravity to pull the Star Forge somewhere there isn't enough gravity to make a lightbeam charged up with massive amounts of energy miss a target with the size of the Star Forge.


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Damn strsight Nai, it'd take an artificial gravity well with the power of a black hole to suck in light......as far as we know anyway.

Star Forge is WAY too big for the Death Star to miss. It would take too long for the Star Forge's shield-a-mergigger to take down the whole station, and no fleet(or ship) could be produced, manned, started up, and flown to the Death Star's rumoured "weak spot" on the dish.

In conclusion, if the Star Forge sees the Death Star approaching, it is f*cked.


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They fired down ships with the Death Star in ROTJ. Since the SF is bigger than those they would be able to hit it too.
And for your "gravity affects light" comment - yes...right. But I doubt that if there isn't enough gravity to pull the Star Forge somewhere there isn't enough gravity to make a lightbeam charged up with massive amounts of energy miss a target with the size of the Star Forge.


Uhh.. With the main lasers? Second, the gravity would bend the path of the light, and third, the Star Forge is much smaller than Rakata itself.

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The Star Forge is a huge factory, don't forget it can produce many capitol ships at once... They have to fit in there. The Star Forge has a lot of floors and is visible from a very large distance..


Tangible, if the DS gets in the range of the shields of the SF then its screwed, it won't be able to fly anymore and it won't be able to fire anymore. There is no reason to assume that it would take longer to shut down the DS then any other ship... It still just one huge computer controlled space station. the SF shields will knock it out, if it gets in reach.


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There is also no reason to believe that the shielding would take effect right away, the Ebon Hawk fought of a Sith patrol AFTER about a minute of lingering in space.

Actually answer this. WHY couldn't the Death Star last as long? WHY would take effect right away?


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Face it all, SF wins.


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Face it all, SF wins.
Lol, the Hell?


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Face it all, SF wins.


Face it all, That 70s Show wins.

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There is also no reason to believe that the shielding would take effect right away, the Ebon Hawk fought of a Sith patrol AFTER about a minute of lingering in space.

Actually answer this. WHY couldn't the Death Star last as long? WHY would take effect right away?


The Ebon Hawk fought that patrol outside of the shield. When they came closer to the shield the engine was immediately shut down. How the hell they managd to still fly to the planet is unknown to me, but its just a stupid SW thing that happens a lot.


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Let's go with this:

One's a factory, the other is a space station made to be a planet destroyer.

Is this really an even decent fight? Hell no. Be reasonable. If you're gonna maim the Star Forge (omfg, it can't make ships and it can't do this and there isn't anyone on board and there's no force, blah blah) then take away the Death Star's superweapon and just have them ram each other full force. Anything else is unbalanced and stupid.

This is like a tractor versus an airplane in a race; two totally different methods of function and purpose, one lopsided goal.

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That's true.


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The Ebon Hawk fought that patrol outside of the shield. When they came closer to the shield the engine was immediately shut down. How the hell they managd to still fly to the planet is unknown to me, but its just a stupid SW thing that happens a lot.
And what if the DS were outside the shield huh? The superlaser can still hit it from there.


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And what if the DS were outside the shield huh? The superlaser can still hit it from there.


That was my entire point... Can it really do that? If it can SF screwed if not DS screwed.

Of course thats only because the damn DS starts out in the same system so really its not a fair fight to begin with.


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Uhh.. With the main lasers? Second, the gravity would bend the path of the light, and third, the Star Forge is much smaller than Rakata itself.


a)
Yes. With the main laser.

b)
Oh yes. To what degree do you think would the gravity (where ever it comes from) would bend the light ? It's not that you would have a bow of light shooting out of the Death Star.

In fact there isn't enough gravity anywhere to bend the light to such an degree that it would miss the SF. So you can take that argument and throw it away...

c)
As I said they did shoot SHIPS with the main laser in ROTJ so there would be no problem to hit a space station that PRODUCES ships.


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Nai is right, if the DS can take a shot it will destroy the SF...


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Nai is right, if the DS can take a shot it will destroy the SF...


Well...why shouldn't the DS be able to take a shot ?
Have a look at how close the Ebon Hawk is to the SF when it is affected by the shield - that is MUCH closer than DS range would be.


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Well...why shouldn't the DS be able to take a shot ?
Have a look at how close the Ebon Hawk is to the SF when it is affected by the shield - that is MUCH closer than DS range would be.


Appears to be yes... But I made a post about this a few pages back.. Janus said something about the DS range being 500.000 miles... DS shields seems to hide the Unknown World too, which would logically be at least a few million miles away from the SF.. Besides the SF is huge, its not strange that it can be seen from far away.

I'm not quite sure on how big the SF shield is, maybe its bigger then the range of the DS... Maybe its not.


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Appears to be yes... But I made a post about this a few pages back.. Janus said something about the DS range being 500.000 miles... DS shields seems to hide the Unknown World too, which would logically be at least a few million miles away from the SF.. Besides the SF is huge, its not strange that it can be seen from far away.

I'm not quite sure on how big the SF shield is, maybe its bigger then the range of the DS... Maybe its not.


a)
The DS range is by all rules of physics unlimited unless you have some real huge gravity field or something compareable (black hole, planet) in the way.

b)
The shield doesn't affect the world itself. It's more likely like the DS shield in ROTJ (only a small shield from Endor's surface to the DS and than shield around the entire DS). Why would somebody waste energy with creating such a field that affects the entire star system (nearly) when you only have to protect the SF from ships moving in firing range (which would be less range than the DS has).

c)
You can see the SF nearly filling the entire cockpit window before the shield was affecting the Ebon Hawk so they had to be quite close to the SF.


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