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Question Advant why is this celebrated when Christmas is supose to be a pagan hoilday?

I have a friend who celebrates advant and I was wondering why this is celebrated?
When I was told that Christmas is a pagan hoilday and not a Christen one!Is this true?
Anyone care to post there thoughts on this?JM confused


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many cultures celebrated that the sun turns, around 22 december.
christians looked at these cultures as pagan.
Advant is a thing celebrated by many of the chrisitan churches and it is the waiting period for the birth of christ. Advant is from the latin adventus domini, comming of the lord

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Cool thanks for telling me Finti!jm


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i don't understand the question
i've really tried, but i can't.
sowwie,
can someone tell it in my language? confused


coz i don't understand why christmas should be pagan holiday blink


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coz i don't understand why christmas should be pagan holiday
read my earlier reply, it might help you to comprehend that bit

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i understand your reply, but i still don't get that part. confused


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ok many cultures(pre christian period) celebrated the turning of the sun around 22 of december, it is kind of close to the date the chrisitan choose to celebrate the birth of thier alleged saviour. It is called pagan cause christianity have labeled these culture as so.

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many cultures celebrated that the sun turns, around 22 december.
christians looked at these cultures as pagan.
Advant is a thing celebrated by many of the chrisitan churches and it is the waiting period for the birth of christ. Advant is from the latin adventus domini, comming of the lord

What I am trying to ask is two questions.The first one is what is Advant?and the second is why is Christmas really a pagan hoilday.And Finsi had answeared both of my qeustions.
So what are your thoughts on this question?JM


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it is clear confused

but it doesn't explain my quary (sp?)erm


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quote:
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Cool thanks for telling me Finti!jm


this been bugging me, not just from u.... but why do ppl put the initials of their name at the bottom of their post? every1 can see who you are by ur screenname neway


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coz i don't understand why christmas should be pagan holiday
this period of the year was celebrated by other mythologies and cultures before the chrisitans started to celebrate it, of course the other cultures had other names for it than christmas though. christmas is the chrisitan celebration.

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I put my intals because it is my trademark.Sorry if it brothers you.JM


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fair enough, was just curious since it has no real benefit


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No you are right it does not.But every site as long I remember I always did that so I got use to it and now can't stop.JM


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Originally posted by finti
this period of the year was celebrated by other mythologies and cultures before the chrisitans started to celebrate it, of course the other cultures had other names for it than christmas though. christmas is the chrisitan celebration.
at last. thank you


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Re: Advant why is this celebrated when Christmas is supose to be a pagan hoilday?

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When I was told that Christmas is a pagan hoilday and not a Christen one!Is this true?


JM: Yule is the most common name given to the old pre Christian tradition of celebration the wonder solstice on/near the 22nd of December. Its the shortest day of the year and so meant that Spring was "on its way" back. The resturn of the sun, the rebirth of the gods who died at the onset of winter. People would celebrate by getting together, making a huge fire and feasting.

When the Christian Church was trying to spread its word, it knew it would have real trouble getting all the pagan (non Christian) people to gie up the traditions they already had - so they placed Christian holidays "over" the pagans ones so they could say "keep on celebrating as you always have, but in the name of christ rather than your old gods"

Clever stuff.

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Yule is the most common name given to the old pre Christian tradition of celebration the wonder solstice on/near the 22nd of December
actually the Norwegian name for christmas is JUL smile

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Yea it is interesting stuff zero!Thanks for telling me this stuff I had learn something new today.JM


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when the baptizers and preachers entered europe, they couldn't just destruct the entire religion that was here and needed things to build on to convert people, hence christmas become a christian holiday on the 25th

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There's a similar sort of history for the Christmas Tree as well. Numerous races felt the days getting smaller near Christmas time, and feared that the sun would eventually vanish. But evergreen trees seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the tyranny of winter.

The Greeks were the first, cutting down the trees for the Goddess Adonia (who was resurrected by Aessulapius, a doctor so good at his trade he could bring the dead back to life). The first Christian story was that St. Boniface(675?-755) cut down an oak, a deciduous tree, and a sacred item to the Pagans, which fell into four pieces. In the middle, an evergreen tree was growing, symbolising the death of Paganism, and the establishment of Christianity.

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