Phoenix isn't in the same league as Death. I highly doubt that Death doesn't hold on PF; however, not having a hold on someone doesn't mean their equal.
Beyonder try reading classic xmen 8, 42 and 43. Grant Morrisons run of new xmen and xmen: forever to see why ive said what i have and then rejoin the debate. Otherwise you cant really debate. The phoenix embodies life and death and is the transitionary force between them. Death holds no power over phoenix.
Yes and the phoenix is a transitionary force from one to the other. She embodies both. Read Xmen and forever and Eternity tells this to jean and clarifies phoenixes status. Death does the same thing in classic xmen.
Grant Morrison run clarifies the whole status and purpose of the phoenix so if u havent read that then i recommend it to u. If u havent read all of the comics im referring to you then you cant really debate about something u lack sufficient knowledge of.
no no, the pheonix force{from my knowledge} is not the transitionary force between eternity and death, its the embodiement of all life and passion, YET UNBORN, its lower than eternity or death.
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There is a lot of beyonders The one from Secret Wars 2 is not the same as secret wars 1 then there was the beyonders who took counter earth away from the high evolutionary.
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U got it in one. From your knowledge. Ive given you the references check them out and you'll see im right. Im not just making it up its in the comics. The fact that people hav come in who have actually read the comics i said and supported me should tell u i havent made it up and its true.
Ive never once said phoenix is more powerful than eternity read the posts before your contribution and you'll find that out. But surely to debate properly u should hav done that anyway
if its the Original Beyonder He wins with out breaking a sweat if it snot then Eternity wins but then again i dont know Pheonix cant die at all and if She does She comes back. So its tough call. ill go with Eternity.
"its the Original Beyonder He wins with out breaking a sweat "
The galactus humbling beyonder of the secret wars never existed at such a power level it was all down to his illusion beased C cube powers and thats that. This battle is between eternity and phoenix. The outcome of that battle is debatable. I could argue for either one.
- Beyonder is a fake (Cosmic cube).
- This is Dark Phoenix (not the Phoenix Force)
- Phoenix Force has never played any important role in Crisis that were huge (except in X-men).
IG, HOTU, Cubes etc but that's just that.
When Thanos absorbed everything he claimed that LT, Eternity and Infinity were the most resistant (powerful)
Phoenix Force is power of life than is yet unborn.
Eternity is the universe a collective mind of the sentient beings that has ever lived.
Phoenix Force is Close to his power and importance but I wouldn’t put her with Eternity/ Infinity.
The Beyonder is more powerful on an abstract type of level, he can manipulate reality, which means that he can bend Etenity to his will, as well as depower Phoenix. He wiped out a universe in seconds and rewrote it.
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Classic Beyonder wins because he wins everything, Eternity wins if it's retconned Beyonder
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