Eric Masterson, Beta Ray Bill, Magni, the daughter in the "what if...? Secret wars 25 years on", Thor Girl, Wonderman.......
all these people (and others) have found themselves with Mjolnir (or something incredibly similar) and have learned to use it's abilities in far less time than Thor.... Magni hadn't even seen it used before and was teleporting within 5 minutes, throwing/recalling it, Beta Ray uses Stormbreaker all the time (which is basically a copy of Mjolnir) Masterson, with no training, fooled the Avengers into believing he WAS Thor
i can understand that it took Thor a while to learn it as he had no frame of reference for it's abilities.... but everyone since him who even had the slightest idea how to use it was up and flying straight away
there are too many examples of it being used successfully by novices for you to continue with your "he wont know how to use it" argument.... at least with any credibility
Kinky may have a the strength advantage (it's hard to say how strong a Quantum boosted Thor would be.... or a sun drenched Apollo)
Thordon definitely has the speed advantage.... which always means he gets to act first..... maybe two or three move (or more) before his opponent can finish his first thought
The hammer is not that difficult to learn once you know what it does (and Quasar has extensive experience fighting alongside Thor) i gave examples above... Beta Ray Bill, Magni, Eric Masterson, etc....
My two main assault strategies only require basic hammer usage.... throwing and placing.... (both of which can be put into effect before Kinky can move)
Magical telepathy may still slow Thordon down.... but by the time the first "influence" is attempted, Kinky will have his armour crippled, probable internal injuries and he'll be immobilised under Mjolnir
After immobilisation (which could be counted as a win in itself) Thordon has all the time in the world to take Kinky apart.. and even if he's slowed down mentally, his mental faculties, enhanced through the speed force, will still be firing at superhuman (or super-godly) speeds
Kinky, with Loki's mind, will not be capable of connecting with a ranged attack blast at an uber-fast opponent and the only ones that could possibly effect Thordon are magical.... so he'll either be splitting his power/concentration between that and his "influence" .... or he'll have to stop one altogether to perform the other.... either way, Kinky is possessed of only a finite amount of magical power.... keeping up either attack over an extended period will cause him to deplete his reserves.... if the battle lasts to that point he will be completely helpless
Kinky DOES have the strength advantage, and once my magic cuts through your quantum boost, there won't be any more doubt.
Telepathy coming into the battle will ensure that the speed advantage will never be a factor. Quasar has no defense against it, and it will go directly to his mind. He'll be slowed down and probably considerably messed up, making my advantage more than just speed but overall concentration as well.
I'll have the strength and durability advantage and will have you slowed down and groggy. And Loki definitely doesn't have a finite amount of magical energy. There isn'y some magical reserve he's pulling from...it's internally based, and as long as he's alive he can continue to use whatever he has at his disposal.
Slow him down...whale the heck out of him. Simple as that. there's nothing he can do to combat either of those, and the one advantage he has (speed) will be taken away before he can use it.
-DM
P.S. I count 5-5. Helluva match Scoob, regardless of how it turns out.
the quantum boost isn't a construct.... not everything Quasar produces is something that can be externally effected... his own strength boosting is internal.... you can't just cut it off by hitting him with magic
Kinky's thought processes are considerably slower than Thordon's i've already explained that by the time you activate your mental abilities i'll have made two or three moves... minimum
yes he does.... his power is from himself, as you have stated, it will eventually run out... Loki could not keep up a magical force blast forever
apart from acting first, ripping your shields and armour, pinning you under the hammer, continually assaulting you so as to not let you concentrate on telepathy.......
but the point is, even if you could effect Thordon's speed..... it is so far ahead of Kinky's speed that he would still have that advantage at a reduced rate
but as i'll be attacking first you don't need to worry about that....
5 - 5 ... wow .... i hadn't counted, but damn......
It'll take more than a few hits, even from a boosted Thor, to take out Uber-Apollo in Zod's armor. And as soon as I slow you down I'm in complete control (which, if it isn't instantaneous, will still be quick enough to prevent you from ruining me quickly...and I don't see why I can't enter the fight with a burst of telepathic force. In the time it'll take you see where I am this will happen).
And once this happens, even if Loki's energy is finite (which I would still refute...he could keep up the telepathy all day if needed) I'll make short work of you with my superior strength and durability.
-DM
P.S. Whirly had me confused for a second (and excited). But he voted on Pg. 1 already so it's still 5-5.
quickly? the size of the battlefield is ...well ... China ... China is around 4,700 kilometres from east to west
Thordon can move at lightspeed with Flash's abilities... faster when using the Quantum bands for flight
light travels 300,000 kmh.. so Thordon could easily cover the distance to the farthest place you could possibly be in 0.0156 seconds
now that's only through entire body movement... the relative speed of the hammer would be about double that .... so within less than one hundredth of a second Thordon can tear down your shields and have already begun a brutal physical assault
your telepathy cannot be instantaneous as you are not permitted to enter the match having already began an offensive move.... only defensive preparations are permitted (such as shields... Evangel went over all this in one of the earlier rounds) at best you have to wait until the start whistle before you can begin any telepathic thought processes... by the time you've decided which image to send Mjolnir will have cracked open your armour
after that i only have to place Mjolnir on your chest and you are effectively immobilised... after that slowing me down slightly wont make the slightest bit of difference
of course it's finite... even Odin doesn't have infinite power reserves (hence the Odin sleep)... Loki isn't a patch on Odin... he'll wear down quickly (magically speaking) if he attempts continual magical output
suit you sir...oooh...oooooh... likes it does he sir?... oooh ...... enjoys the Kinky stuff does he?.... ooooh .......
(anyone here ever seen the Fast Show?)
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Last edited by Scoobless on Aug 5th, 2005 at 09:41 PM
Damn. 4 in a row. 6-4 to 8-6 just like that (scoob has the 2-vote advantage by the way).
If we're on something the size of China and the fight starts, it'll take longer than a fraction of a second for Thordon to find me and hit me. China's a big place, and he won't be able to see me right away. In that time my telepathy will be up and running, and the rest of my plan is laid out in my previous posts. I'm still stronger, more durable, and I'll get just as many hits in once he's slowed down from the magical telepathy. It won't matter how long Loki can hold his telepathy because it will be a short fight by this point.
-DM
P.S. Thanks longpig...you going back and forth was pretty funny, and I was up 6-4 when you switched, but things have soured since then.
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