you see, THIS kind of comment is what i call an "opinion", but when you bash keaton like parker and whoever, thats when it gets persoanl.
i dont know how old these "kids" are, but they obviosuly have no respect for the "Greats" of there past time. and what they brought to the character of Batman. no, im not talkin about clooney, hell, even kilmer had some on clooney
[QUOTE=4973619]Originally posted by Batman Returns
[B]no. wrong. YOU think that he sucks. WE dont. I dont. so stop pickin on him. there IS a difference between letting ppl know who you like and sdeliberatly FLAMING AND TROLLING keaton simply cuz YOU dont like it. cant we all just get along and have our own opinions without toally obliterating someone's opinion themselves?? i can say PLENTY of **** about how BB was boring and lame and not Batman in MY eyes, and how i thought morgan freeman was such a loser in it and not needed to be Q, and how the batmopbile was stupid cuz they made it looklike a stupid SUV, and how there were so many stupid one liners and quips, BUT, because i am trying to be a considerate person that has some kind of respect for other members, i will not, i dont have too, cuz the burton films ARE good in the eye of the beholder, and just cuz YOU and stupid ass parker here got somethin nasty to say about EVERYTHING and flips over even the slightest critisism over BB and has to rant and rave like babies about how stupid you think they all are compared to the boring stupid BB doesnt mean everyone will "convert" to what you like. stop being asses, and grow up. post some "mature" posts and MAYBE, just MAYBE, we will show you some respect as well.
Alright cuz im going to tell you why keaton sucked and dont worry im not going to mention the forgetting room part because that was a joke obviously , reason 1:He was to short for the part,reason2:No built reason 3: did not look intimidating in the costume,reason 4: has no chin which made him look funny in the cowl,reason 5: He also didnt use a batman voice which people seem to forget,reason 6:could not fight for shit,and reason 7:He never showed his good friendship with alfred,reason 8:He showed no emotion about his parents. I think theirs more but thats all i think of for now.You should really calm down its just a movie.
Dont use your opinion like a fact, because it isnt. You liked keaton and i didnt, is my opinion against yours, only opinions. There arent facts here , only opinions. And not, this isnt mr parker and miself opinon, is a lot of people opinion against another lot of people opinion. Dont try to make of your opinion the majority one.
Second, If you use the childish insults here again, i will stop arguing with you, because i wont take part of a childish battle of insults.
Third, Im not flamming anything. I only posting my opinion about the batman movies. And i think that the previous four batman movies sucked, burton sucked, schumacher sucked, keaton sucked, kilmer sucked and clooney sucked. And i think that batman begins was the only good batman movie and the more faithful to the comics source.
Four, Where did you get that keaton forgeting the rooms is a joke? Who said that? Are the others things on his stupid behaving jokes too?
Batman begins isnt a perfect movie, and not a 100% faithful movie, but is a great movie and explains batman origin and explores the character much much bettter than the other ones. Bale didnt force his voice, his voice sounds creepy and dark, just as batman should sound. If bale looked like a robot, keaton looked like a android. He was slow as hell and a terrible fighter. Bruce wayne is supposed to be a cool play boy, not a too misterious and goofy dumb ass as keaton played him. Even a idiot could put two and two together and thinks that he was batman. Meanwhile with Bale peformance, he was only an arrogant playboy, another rich man more.
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this has been brought up to no end, and this is only nit picking. did it actually effect the movie itself? no, ppl still went to see it, and when he stood over his enemies like a badass mofo, did you really notice? no. and about a million other ppl didnt notice either. so how did that effect the movie negatively back then? it didnt, so its NOT A BIG DEAL. plus, keaton isnt as hsort as everyone preaches. hes 5'8. short, but not THAT short.
he actually DID have a build, in fact, he took kickboxing lessons and even karate lessons 4 months prior to filming, so yeah, he DID know a thing or too, and WAS pretty damn built. not as built as bale, but built enough. again, did that effect the film itself??? no. so why bother mentioning this AGAIN? it didnt effect the film, so who cares? it really sounds liek your a youngin who his just repeating what he hears from other ppl; just cuz BB is the "new" movie.
wrong. he DID look intimidating in the costume, FAR more then bale did. and yes, there are ppl who agree with me on this wholeheartedly. mainly, it comes down to opion on this one, so just say "its my opinion that he looks balh blah". seriosuly, you sound like your ripping these comments off from other ppl, are you like a 12 year old or something?
OMG, this is so funny!! bales total LACK of chin made him look like "peach jaw", hell, ppl have even said he looks like jay leno in the cowl!! and bales cowl tried to emphasize bales lack of chin, and made it look even worse!! HAHAHAHAHA!! CANT believe you even mentioned THAT one, LOL, its so wrong!! keaton had those awsome lips and had a very charaterized facial features that made him look more inimidating, bale looked like val kilmer syndrome, aka "babyface" in the cowl, lol, with those powty lips. keaton looks like a MAN in the cowl, not a girl.
he DID use a batman voice. he sounded NOTHING like he did when he's bruce wanye. BOY, have you even seen B89 or BR??? maybe you should go watch it again.......rolleyes:
umm he fought fine? he took kickboxing lessons and karate lesson, like ive stated, and had some KICKASS fights, like in the cathedral. unlike bales batman, keatons batman crashed, STILL got up, walked up a flight of stairs, almost gpt crushed by a bell, and got beat up by a black guy and STILL came out on top!! unlike bales batman, burton showed that batman was indeed HUMAN, and not some mindless tool like nolan made bales batman into. i mean, he made batman boring!! and oh boy, heres the big one where i prove your utterly WRONG: unlike bales batman, you could actually SEE keatons batman fight the thugs!!! BB had such bad fiught editing, you coudlnt make out what was what!!! how could i even tell bale was doing karate??? I COULDNT EVEN SEE WHAT THE **** WAS GOING ON!! horrible. keatons fights and fight sequences still rules. : how could they possibly get THAT wrong, and B89 is older!! they should know better!! its sad.......but your wrong.
umm yes he did. he talked to alfred countless times and you didnt have to know any of that "alfreds histiry" BS that was ever so presnt in BB. when alfred is talking to bruce and vicky at dinner telling them tales of him and bruce and funny little things like that, you KNOW there is a relationship, that showed it plenty, you didnt need an hourlong discussion. plus, alfred in BB was not AS close to bruce as he was in B89!!! alfred played the same role in BB as the others, comic relief and some wise advice at times. there is no difference. again, your nitpicking, and its pissing me off, cuz its not even accurate.
EXCUSE ME!!!!! HE SHOWED sooo MUCH EMTION TOWRDS HIS PARENTS DEATH!!! WTF!!! he looks at newpapares constantly, lies to vicky that hes going away so he can visit his parents death scene (with the roses like in the comics, mind you), and he has that fglashback near that end of the movie that was doneSOOOOOOO well, WAAAAY better then what BB did with THAT scene, it was so stupid!! they die and he says "dont be afraid", so what?? wheres the emotion??? wheres the sense of scaredness?? it wasnt present!! it was weak!! in B89, thanks to the superb directing of burton, it was done perfectly to a T.
i swear, most of your so called "reasons" are more of a matter of opinion, not fact, and damn, your "opinoons" suck hard, not to mention they are just not true.
and i bet theres a ton of **** i havent even begun to touch on BB either.
[QUOTE=4974265]Originally posted by lil pimp [QUOTE=4973619]You should really calm down its just a movie.[/QUOTE
this is a very hypocritical statement, as you seem to feel the same way i do. you put down the films and then say "its just a movie". obviously not to you.
alright, that whole post was as pointless (as wlays) and just goes to show: YOU suck.
you constantly put down the burton films and give no valid reasons WHY they suck, and when i give valid reasons why I didnt like it or WHY your wrong, you never post anything except immature things like "yeah yeah yeah yeah well i STILL think the old films suck!! so there, ya big bully!!"
oh BROther. you need to learn some manners around here, and learn how to write somehat HALF decent posts that arent childish banter.
any saying "yeah keaton sucks, hes a dork, bale is god, blah blha bnlah", thats not intelligent, its stupid, and your lack of knowldge on the older films and keaton as a whole and your "baby talk" posts, like parkers, have lost my respect.
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First of all these are my opinions , i dont take shit from other people so watch what you say,seconed of all b89 and br are good movies i just dont like keaton how many times do i have to say that! and watch b89 again couse i just saw it 15 minutes ago and keaton does not use a batman voice and just before you say im praising bb dont couse thats not my favorite batman movie,Guess what i just remembered keaton was half bald too almost forgot to mention that one.I really dont think you want to mess with me cuz i will make you look stupid just like i did to sevenman(long story),but please i dont think you want to get made fun of by a 14 year old so watch what you do , plus all that arguing gets annoying after a while.So lets all grow up!
Very well spoken Bakerboy.Yeah like you said,this isnt just my opinion and yours and Pimps,many people dont like Keaton as batman such as dark age and Leafar who not too long ago made threads pointing out how he was a bad choice for the role because of his physical build as well because of the fact that he doesnt even come close to resembling the role of bruce wayne.The fact that so many people have posted over the years outraged over the horrible casting choice of keaton proves he was such a bad choice.Many people dont like him because Boy you got that right about batman begins,it was the only one that was faithful and true to the comics.Boy you can say that again,if Bale looked like a robot then Keaton for sure looked like an andriod.You can point out to people like batman returns only so many times that keaton was a horrible choice for the role because of how he didnt even come close to fitting the role they will never get that.Like you said so well,Batman doesnt act like a doofus and say stupid stuff like when asked if he is bruce wayne,-Im not sure,then later say-Yeah Im sure I am bruce wayne,this time I am sure,god how stupid.that is so unbatman.That isnt all keatons fault though,its the fault of that idiot director Burton telling him to act like that.Thats why Burton is even more of an idiot than shumacher because scumacher at least cast an actor who looked the part and acted like bruce wayne,but Bales Performance was much better than Kilmers and a lot to do with that is he had a much better and serious script to work with showing how he is smooth with the women and suave,not the rambling dolt that keaton was which like you said,was just a copy cat performance of Chris reeves superman.totally unoriginal.Kilmer at least acted like Bruce wayne.Keatons batman was horrible because like you said,he was slow as hell and a terrible fighter and cowardly killer.those are just a few of the reasons why Keaton and burton suck and why Burton should never have been allowed near a batman franchise.
all of what this joker batman returns says is a joke anyways.I dont go out and just say Keaton and Burton sucked,I give my REASONS for why they suck and why Burtons Batman movies sucked even worse than schumachers Batman forever did.
Really Pimp and Bakerboy,I would not respond to this batman returns guy anymore,he just engages in childish name calling and insults.Even batdude in his discussions,he can be irritating to me,but he at least doesnt stoop to his level of acting chilidish with insults and name calling.Plus this discussion ended a long time when we proved many times why Burtons Batman movies were so horrible so why are we still here participating in a discussion that ended like a week ago,that makes no sense?
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Pimp he has no credibility in his posts,he is just like sevenman,he cant get into a discussion without attacking people when they say Burton and keaton suck even though you list your REASONS for why they suck so I would not waste anymore time with his childish posts anymore. Hell yeah Keaton was half bald.He was a short runt as well who is no taller than Kim Basinger,that was a laughable joke for a batman movie but some people just cant get it through their heads though that Burton did not care about making the best casting choice possible,that he only cast Keaton because he was friends with him.yeah you sure put that sevenman guy in his place and batman returns would do well to not mess with you because I have no doubt you will humiliate him just like you did with sevenman.But as I said,this discussion ended a long time ago so its really pointless to continue a discussion that ended so long ago.
didnt read those stupid posts, why keep talking to yourself!?? like ive said, YOU'VE LOST MY RESPECT. ive njow put you on my ignore list, thanks!! run off now with your little childish remarks and flames!!
None of these four movies before Batman Begins are true to the comics or even close because there is always something completely out of synch or not portrayed correctly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves and buying into the hype over how "dark" Burton made it or how "campy" Schumacher made it.
Myself, I liked the variety that Schumacher brought into it with Forever because any way you look at it the Burton "dark and even darker" ethos was wearing a little thin on me and Forever tried to do something different and putting the whole Batman comics-continuity issue aside it is a fun film to watch.
Batman and Robin is inexusable and anyone who likes it really needs help because I can't find one good thing to say about that film.
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I agree with stevenman, batdude, and batman returns, burtons batmans ruled, they were dark and had great character build up...keaton might not have had the best built for bruce but he did a great job with the acting...he was the best batman along with bale...schumacher did for batman what adam west did for batman, made a fool out of him in both of his movies, batman forever was a corney movie from start to finish, two face was soo over the top it was sickening, and riddler was Ace Ventera...Val kilmer was boring and corney aswell...the movie was made for 10 year olds, it was made for cheap crappy thrills, anyone who has an i.q. over 60 should realize that this is a discracefull movie...i wont even mention the other movie...lil pimp, parker and barkerboy have their opinions, but in all honesty they are wrong opinions...
they sure are deluding themselves if they think the first two films are true to the comic.killing the joker in the penguin in those movies betrayed the comic and people just refuse to take the blinders off to see that batman was a cowardly killer and that the burton movies just like the schmacher movies were horribly written and that all of them were horribly casted.thank god for batman begins.
It was definitely a mistake to kill of Joker, no doubt, because that left the rest of the films short of decent villians to work with ( And I believe killing off a villian in the same movie he is created is retarded anyway e.g Green Goblin, Doc Ock) . Penguin on his own as a main villian doesn't cut it, he's just not dynamic enough for a plotline. Why didn't Burton try out Scarecrow instead? you would have thought that would have fit his film making style.
I know some of this has passed but i just had to say it.
Yo Pimp dude.....i've been reading most of your posts and your just terrible man, what have you been smoking..... Do you even know anything about the original comics?? Cuz i relaly don't think you do. Schumacher's Batman had nothing to do with the comics. The original comics were dark and actually pretty tragic and violent. And the jokes in Batman and Robin were seriously really bad. Gotham City is supposed to be a corrupt city run by the mob... not a city on extacy. As far as the villains.... Two face is a PSYCOTIC dude. I'm sure he can get drunk and Blow a few people, but the coin is important. It's either good heads or bad heads... not keep tossing until u get what you want. And how many riddler's have you seen?? The riddler was way to chipper. The whole movie was campy. Just like the Old-School TV show... which is probably why it did so bad. Batman and Robin was just awful... I don't evven have anything to say about that. The reason your little cousin fell asleep is probably because that movie wasn't made for him, as sad as it was. it was way too mature for a kid. Kind of like the Original Detective Comics. Oh, and you type like a third grader.... I"m done destroying your opinion man.
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