I have nothing against DC. I don't miss Smallville, watch all the DC 'toons religiously('cept Titans), usually put Batman/Nightwing on fav. hero lists, liked Batman begins(hated the fights and laughed @ Bale's Batman voice though), even gave the "Birds of Prey" show a chance I like Marvel more though. Characters have always interested me more than powers and I've never liked the "sidekick" thing. When people say DC is overpowered I'm hard pressed not to agree. I'm not sure which company has the most-powerful character or highest number of ultra powerful characters. With DC though it seems like almost all of their more well known characters could kill off an entire city in under 10 minutes. How many times do they use flight & superspeed & invulnerable in 1 hero? Also, they've got these kinds of characters in groups. You'll see Supes, WW, Flash(who I still like although it seems like DC don't sometimes) and M.Manhunter on the same team. Then they get rid of weaknesses. GLs say f**k yellow. MM says f**k fire. Soon Supes might say f**k Kryptonite. Aquaman's lame. How does DC "fix" it? Make him more powerful of course. I'll always love Marvel's characters more, but I'm starting to hate Marvel whoring out it's characters to make them more like the movie counterparts. I like the movies, but I hate comic Spidey's webs being organic and I hated those crappy duds they had the X-Men wear after the movies came out.
I have a few things I dislike about DC, but the main one is the fans. In my (possibly biased) experience, DC characters have the biggest flcok of pigheaded, logic-ignoring and childish fans out there. I go to a few message boards like the Versus forum, and any time a DC character is brought in, there is always this ration of people who run in yelling that the DC character will win and ignoring all comments to the contrary.
Now, that's not to say that Marvel doesn't suffer from this as well. There are quite a few Hulk fanboys that are so stubborn and dense it's sickening (only one or two on here, as opposed to several on other boards). And then there are the Wolverine fanboys... ugh. Still, while a few Marvel characters do suffer from the Rabid Fanboy Syndrome, it seems DC fanboys refuse to allow for the possibility that ANY DC character would lose in a fight against a comparable Marvel character.
Another thing is the powerlevels. Marvel may take the cake in high end cosmic beings (though that is VERY debateable), DC is waaaay over the top int he every day readable characters. Everyone and their brother is a Class 100, invulnerable, speedblitzing brick on some boards. Wonder Woman goes from having to use her bracelets to deflect bullets to a Superman-level lifter who was also an unbeatable martial artist with a device that gives her a ehalingf actor that rivals the Hulk's. And then there's the Flash. First, he just ran really fast, then he vibrated through sh*t, then he hit light speed, now he's a speed-stealing, time traveling, infinite-mass-punching, uber-speedblitzing God Of Speed.
And then there is Supermand. My God. Why read a Superman comic when the odds are its just going to end with the hero either a) getting a new power b) losing (or greatly reducing) one of his vulnerabilites c) casting off a mental blocks/sun dipping? I mean, honestly, pick a f*cking powerset and stick to it. Come on. Super-ventriloquism? SOUL VISION?? In all honesty: what the f*ck (oh, and just to clarify, those are both recent powers displayed, not Pre-Crisis).
And you know, his power level isn't really my problem. I mean, one of my favorite characters is Majestic, who rearranges solar system's to solve a dilemna. My problem is the bloody worship.
Superman spends every day of his life, every minute of his day in a constant parade, both in and out of comics, telling him how great he is. He goes to the JLA, everyone tells him (or thinks about) how great he is. He goes to work at the Planet, that whole paper is devoted to NOTHING but talking about how great he is. His own job AT the paper is making reports on how great he is or what awesome thing he just did, and there are characters that were designed largely just around showing how great he is (Superboy and Jimmy Olsen for starters). Same goes for a lot of the DC heroes, heck there's a Flash MUSEUM for crying out loud.
Frankly I think writers spend more time trying to think up ways of telling him how great he is than actual dialogue on anything else. Thor's a -GOD- and he doesn't spend half his time getting the worship Superman does, even though he's just about as powerful, just as heroic, and saves lives as selflessly as Superman does. I just get sick of seeing Superman's knob getting constantly stroked.
And the funny thing is, after all is said and done, I can generally sit down and read a DC story without shuddering. There are some decent ones out there, and some Vertigo titles are nothing short of amazing. I just hate the -quite literal- hero worship granted to the handful of big names by writers and fans alike.
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DC's originality is what gets me. I love it.
I think a story where Superman goes crazy and attacks his friends is needed though. I hope some writers find a way to a story like that into print. It would be an excellent twist that no one would ever see coming.
Also, I think it's time we shake things up a bit in Gotham. Batman needs a protege to carry on the torch after he is long gone. You know, like some sort of character that dawns the mantle of the Bat and carries on the tradition after training and fighting with Bruce. Or maybe even someone as a backup, or fill in. Heck, why not even make it a girl?
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All this talk about character development in DC is skewed.
When did character development = Super Heroes arguing and yelling at each other all the time? At the end of the day, everyone is the same. They are just pissed at their friends now.
Ooooo...DC is so cool now...Dark and broody for the sake of being Dark and broody. Dark and Broody is what is trendy and all the hip cats are reading that stuff now so DC is so sweet. Oooo...shoot Blue Beetle in the face like a dipstick...OoOooO crack Max's neck...What a good story!!
Ooooo...tell the fans all they need to buy is the O.M.A.C. project and then carry the story into a billion f!!cking issues(minor exageration) and apologize about it later. Yeah, like they didn't know what they were doing with that sucker punch.
That and the upgrades...*cries* the ridiculous upgrades.....Oh Batman...what have they done to you?!?
With that said, the comic companies that fall under DC's umbrella are sweet. The new Green Lantern is a good read too.
Ya mean, like Robin? Or the other Robin? Or the other one? Or Bat-girl?
I see what you're saying though (not in this part really, but in the entire post). Skaing things up is good. Hopefully the new Crisis will cement some much needed changes in some of the core characters.
I think why alot of people seem to dislike DC is because they haven't had the chance to read or follow the sotrylines...DC's comics are harder to jump right into midway as opposed to Marvel.
I think alot of people are like me, the very casual comic book person who doesn't really have much time to read or follow comics and just go to the Barnes and Nobles to occasionally browse through the books. Since Marvels comics are often more flashy and superficially exciting, people tend to gravitate towards Marvel over DC. For example, batman comics are usually pretty deep and you gotta actually read the dialogue whereas an issue of avengers or xmen has alot of battles and stuff that would interest the casual reader.
This is a minor gripe of mine too. Everyone loves (e.g.) Superman in (e.g.) Metropolis. I dunno maybe it's just me but I find a little more realism in the more anti-hero types. If someone like Superman landed on earth I doubt he'd be embraced as readily as he is in the comics. That's not human nature. I know, I know people are going to say "but people read comics to escape reality" - still the level of adulation just irks me a bit.
One more thing about DC....It seems like if you're not one of their trio(Bats,Supes,WW) they don't give a f**k about you. Flash, GA and a group of lames get nearly beaten by Deathstroke. None of the big 3 are there to get near-owned. How is WW more important than Flash? WW sux!!!! Does she sell more books than him or something?
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I like Marvel more though. Characters have always interested me more than powers and I've never liked the "sidekick" thing. When people say DC is overpowered I'm hard pressed not to agree. I'm not sure which company has the most-powerful character or highest number of ultra powerful characters. With DC though it seems like almost all of their more well known characters could kill off an entire city in under 10 minutes. How many times do they use flight & superspeed & invulnerable in 1 hero? Also, they've got these kinds of characters in groups. You'll see Supes, WW, Flash(who I still like although it seems like DC don't sometimes) and M.Manhunter on the same team. Then they get rid of weaknesses. GLs say f**k yellow. MM says f**k fire. Soon Supes might say f**k Kryptonite. Aquaman's lame. How does DC "fix" it? Make him more powerful of course.
I'll always love Marvel's characters more, but I'm starting to hate Marvel whoring out it's characters to make them more like the movie counterparts. I like the movies, but I hate comic Spidey's webs being organic and I hated those crappy duds they had the X-Men wear after the movies came out.
Aug 24th, 2005 05:34 AM
