All mystical schools of thought recognize various levels to reality, including ones above the "psychic/astral" (or in scifi and comicological parlance, "psionic"), but below the Ultimate/Absolute. In Hinduism, they are the vijnanamayakosa and anandamayakosa levels; in Buddhism (depending on the sect) they are the jhanas or manas; in Kabbalah they are the emanations of the sefirot; and so on, yada yada yada.
In plain English: these are the "archetypal" levels: the divine matrices of creation which begin with one's personal archetype (the immediate source of one's self) and end with Final archetype: the source of all lesser archetypes ("God" as Highest Other, the perceivable Creator of the Omniverse). In between are the archetypes for all the multiverses, and lil' bit lower down, the archetypes for all the universes.
In meditation, as one's consciousness ascends the levels of reality, one first becomes aware of, then eventually identifies with, these archetypes. This is simply a grander version of what a person goes through when he (or she) matures from childhood to adolescence to adulthood: one first becomes aware of, then eventually identifies with, levels of thinking, from the very concrete to the abstract.
These levels (cognitive or archetypal) already exist; development (genetically driven or meditatively driven) simply brings us to where we can "see" and "acquire" them.
I propose: the "Phoenix Force" is the archetype which creates our universe (multiverse? -- I don't know how "big" the Phoenix Force is supposed to be). It precedes any person's existence, but when a person becomes aware of it, the "Phoenix becomes aware."
Thank you for your kind attention. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
I copied the above from my post in another thread because it went over oh-so darn well there, and this thread seemed more fitting
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Tiphereth is the Word Whirly. In creation Phoenix plays the role of Tiphereth however Phoenix is derived from the Crown it is a level of consciousness that can manifest on the physical plane through the minds of sentient beings. On the tree of life the path between Tiphereth and Keter/The Crown is referred to as the flight of the Phoenix.
"""""""In Christian kabbalah, Tiphereth is especially associated with Jesus Christ, 'God the Son' ( as opposed to Kether, which is God the father, and Yesod, the Holy Spirit ). This is because this is the Sephirah in which the divine force 'sacrifices' itself, transmutating into the forces of energy and matter, in order that creation might come to be. It is the sephirah in which 'God becomes a mortal man'. A Christian mystic, in relating to Jesus, repeats the process in the other direction, by transmutating that which is lower, in order to achieve the divine."""""""""
Sacrifice, creation, the divine in human form. Phoenix anyone?
Plus theres the fact that Jean is referred to and represented as Tiphereth in the comics.
Tiphereth ("Glory"; תיפארת) or Tifereth, Tipheret, Tiferet, or rahamin ("mercy" in Hebrew in the Kabbalah of Judaism is the sixth Sephirah on the tree of life. It has the common association of "Beauty" and "Compassion".
While there are, no doubt, overlaps, Gnosis is usually the term for Christian mysticism; Kabbalah is primarily Judaic.
Basically, though, this seems to be where an understanding of the Phoenix Force is headed: the dynamisms of reality, with which consciousness can identify, that are "higher" than the "psionic."
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The Kabbalah is not really part of Judaism and hasn't been since 1710 odd Its simply a bit of a joke mystic fools like Crowley and Maddona are into, and unless your over 40 you can't understand it GS so I'm nearer 40 then you are.
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Not to the keepers of the Kabbalah (is it me or are you spelling it right now :lol
You have to be over 40 to understand it properly So anything you say is probably wrong - the law keepers of the Kabbalah says so
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