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The Fantastic Four vs Superman
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Cosmic Cube
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Heres how Supes takes down the FF. Sues shield may temporarily save her but she will go down.

No air means no flame for Johnny.

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Sue's forcefields can withstand Galactus's might. I think that she can hold up against Supes.

I'm not sure if those are actually flames coming from Johnny's body. If they are, then you're right. But they might not be.

Has he ever been doused by water?

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thor and hulk have applied enough pressure in the past to cause her to nearly collapse. even 10 000 thor/hulk level blows in a matter of seconds . . . her mind wouldn't handle the strain, i don't think . . .

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Sue's forcefields can withstand Galactus's might. I think that she can hold up against Supes.

I'm not sure if those are actually flames coming from Johnny's body. If they are, then you're right. But they might not be.

Has he ever been doused by water?

I know Gladiator used his super breath to blow Johnnies flames out one time.

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thor and hulk have applied enough pressure in the past to cause her to nearly collapse. even 10 000 thor/hulk level blows in a matter of seconds . . . her mind wouldn't handle the strain, i don't think . . .

I would imagine that Galactus is a lot stronger than either, but that certainly is something to consider.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:13 AM

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you're likely right, but the duration of her field is sometimes in question, cc. she seems to be able to take a lot of punishment, but SOMETIMES not over a prolonged period of time. so, one blast from galactus it could withstand. multiple g shots? i don't see it my friend . . . likewise multiple supes' shots.

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Supes can punch through a GL construct. I think he can do the same to Sue.

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I know Gladiator used his super breath to blow Johnnies flames out one time.

So he has? Well I don't exactly know the mechanism of Johnny's heat-controlling powers, but I guess Superman could do the same with his breath.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:15 AM

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Supes can punch through a GL construct. I think he can do the same to Sue.

I'd bet Galactus could punch through a GL construct too. But he couldn't punch through Sue's forcefield.

Besides, Sue can even deflect X rays with her radiation bending powers. How would he see her?

It is possible that he could hear her, but I'm not sure if that would be enough information with which he could place an good attack. And even then, she's still got her forcefields, so she's never defenseless.

I just can't think of a decent offense that they could mount.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:19 AM

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sue's certainly the tough one of the group, and it might take some work, but i don't see her lasting all that long after the others fall.

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sue's certainly the tough one of the group, and it might take some work, but i don't see her lasting all that long after the others fall.

Johnny is the only one who could possibly harm Superman, and his defensive abilities are simply too low. Superman wins, as far as I'm concerned.

The FF is a prep-team. Superman is just too big of a threat for them to handle without notice.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:24 AM

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I'd bet Galactus could punch through a GL construct too. But he couldn't punch through Sue's forcefield.

Besides, Sue can even deflect X rays with her radiation bending powers. How would he see her?

It is possible that he could hear her, but I'm not sure if that would be enough information with which he could place an good attack. And even then, she's still got her forcefields, so she's never defenseless.

I just can't think of a decent offense that they could mount.

Supes can see invisible foes. He Has done it in the past. He see's them like a x-ray.

Or he can hear her like he did in the Superman/Silver Surfer crossover.

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Supes can see invisible foes. He Has done it in the past. He see's them like a x-ray.

Or he can hear her like he did in the Superman/Silver Surfer crossover.

He sees them with X-ray vision. Sue can bend X-rays as well. She can bend virtually any form of ambient electromagnetic radiation.

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Feb 17th, 2006 02:30 AM

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Supes will get through the force fields even faster than Glads did.

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He sees them with X-ray vision. Sue can bend X-rays as well. She can bend virtually any form of ambient electromagnetic radiation.

I already said that.

That's nice. But how would she know to do that? Does she do that all of the time?

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Feb 17th, 2006 02:33 AM

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The Thing knocking Supes backwards? I don't think so...not if Supes doesn't want to be knocked back...ever read the 2nd crossover Marvel did with DC...the one where Superman and Spider-man fought the Parasite and Doc Doom? Remember the battle between Superman and the Incredible Hulk? Remember when the Hulk couldn't even budge Superman when Superman didn't want to budge? So, if the Hulk couldn't even faze Superman with his most powerful punches, then I highly doubt The Thing could do much...unless he caught him off guard, then and only then could The Thing knock him back. But if Supes don't want to budge, he ain't budgin'!!!

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Supes will get through the force fields even faster than Glads did.

Gladiator cheated.

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That's nice. But how would she know to do that? Does she do that all of the time?

Yes.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:33 AM

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The Thing knocking Supes backwards? I don't think so...not if Supes doesn't want to be knocked back...ever read the 2nd crossover Marvel did with DC...the one where Superman and Spider-man fought the Parasite and Doc Doom? Remember the battle between Superman and the Incredible Hulk? Remember when the Hulk couldn't even budge Superman when Superman didn't want to budge? So, if the Hulk couldn't even faze Superman with his most powerful punches, then I highly doubt The Thing could do much...unless he caught him off guard, then and only then could The Thing knock him back. But if Supes don't want to budge, he ain't budgin'!!!

Pre-crisis Supes.

However, Superman can fly. I think he can control his inerta so he would not be knocked back.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:34 AM

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Human Torch is a non-factor.

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Well, anyway I'll take a gamble and say that Galactus is stronger than Gladiator, and I think that Sue holding off Galactus is just a high end feat for her.

Feb 17th, 2006 02:38 AM