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Celestials wins this

For all the jobbing Eternity has done, he's recreated Earth. Good feat

Aforementioned numerous times, Galactus and Eternity....Marvel tends to job them out. That's sad


The Celestials win the thread you made up with said Characters... However, IMO Galactus and FP Tyrant take Exitar and Arishem

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Even with that change Celestials still win.


Debatable...I disagree

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The Celestials win the thread you made up with said Characters... However, IMO Galactus and FP Tyrant take Exitar and Arishem


I made it indeed

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Same thing Skyfatherish level. Celestial are well beyond Skyfather level and these are Celestial that are more powerful than entire host of celestials


Incorrect only Exitar have been stated to be above the Fourth host a comment made by Thor by the way.

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Well Cosmic Cube being compared to nothing compare to Celestial , Also Thor saying that Galactus might be more powerful than Odin and than Celestial are better. Also there was another comparation that Galactus might be celestial after his cycle in marvel ends. The 5th host Stoped the Goblin Force etc. Also Galactus being socked that Hotu was able to kill a Celestial. Again there is nothing feat wise that shows Galactus = Your average Celestial let alone these guys.


And Doom with all the knowledge in the Universe, stated that the Cosmic Cube in his possession that could make him master of the Universe according to Reed was but a fraction of the power he would attain when gaining Galactus. Also in Annihilation Galactus stated that he regarded Aegis and Tenebrous as more dangerous then Maker, Maker that had the power to crush the 616 reality. Now since we go by Character statements Mephisto stated that the Power of the Cosmic Containment Unit is above that of the Sentient Cosmic cube which Galactus is and Kubik himself have stated that he regards Galactus as a part of the beings in the Universe referred to as the Greater Powers which is in turn above him. The 5th Celestial Host stopped the Goblin Force under unknown circumstances after it had laid waste to the Celestial Race. Call it shocked I call it impressed. It works both ways kgkg not just one way, the Average Celestial doesn't have any battlefeats only a statement from Kubik to heighten it's power and beyond that the only impressive thing that a member of the fourth host have accomplished on his own (and I would hardly call a member of the Fourth Host a average celestial) was to regrow his arm and then afterwards take the disintegration beam without injury. Impressive but as impressive as the fact that Galactus within him contains enough energy while weak to blast both the Negative Zone and the 616 reality to pieces.

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Also I never said that Celestials are easily above Galactus I said nothing Galactus has done says he is clealy above you average Celestial let alone guys who are more powerful than entire host Celestials.


And Visa Versa.

Btw this is a subject that will never become dead until the day were either the Celestials ore Galactus clearly shows they are above the counterpart by defeating him/them in combat, imo.


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Originally posted by Utrigita Incorrect only Exitar have been stated to be above the Fourth host a comment made by Thor by the way.
I might have exerated them being more powerful than a host of Celestial but Arishiem has also seen as the most powerful by far. Some example below. I main point was that Exitar and Arishiem are very powerful celestials even among there own race.
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Originally posted by Utrigita And Doom with all the knowledge in the Universe, stated that the Cosmic Cube in his possession that could make him master of the Universe according to Reed was but a fraction of the power he would attain when gaining Galactus.
Wasn't that in SW which is non canon anymore? I'm not doubting the power Galactus can gave. But his battle record and durabiitly have been lower than Celestial for the most part.

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Originally posted by Utrigita Also in Annihilation Galactus stated that he regarded Aegis and Tenebrous as more dangerous then Maker, Maker that had the power to crush the 616 reality. Now since we go by Character statements Mephisto stated that the Power of the Cosmic Containment Unit is above that of the Sentient Cosmic cube which Galactus is and Kubik himself have stated that he regards Galactus as a part of the beings in the Universe referred to as the Greater Powers which is in turn above him.
Maker was a weaker version of the beyonder. I'm not saying that Cosmic Cube are > Galactus which they are not is that Cosmic Cube said they were like nothing compare to Celestial.



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Originally posted by Utrigita Btw this is a subject that will never become dead until the day were either the Celestials ore Galactus clearly shows they are above the counterpart by defeating him/them in combat, imo.
I would agree with this. But imo Celestial have had much better consistent showing. While Galactus ability to increase his power might lead him to be more powerful I just don't see Normal Galactus being greater due to things like Durability , Hunger past feats etc.


Here a statement from Thor who has faced both Galactus and Celestial.
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Galactus fans will take Big G. Celestials fans like me take the Celestials

Anyhoo.....Celestials win win win


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I might have exerated them being more powerful than a host of Celestial but Arishiem has also seen as the most powerful by far. Some example below. I main point was that Exitar and Arishiem are very powerful celestials even among there own race.
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Sure they are but, a problem we faces when going into scans from the narrator is that we end up with three different Celestials, each of them said to be the most powerful one (Exitar, Arishem, Tiamut), another thing entirely is, that if these are the most powerful Celestials I'm wondered why it was Toaa and Ziran that fought Thanos with the Heart of the Universe.

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Wasn't that in SW which is non canon anymore? I'm not doubting the power Galactus can gave. But his battle record and durabiitly have been lower than Celestial for the most part.


No.
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It's canon, I don't believe that it would be mentioned on Marvel.com if it wasn't. His battle Record have also been significantly larger then the Celestials, in entirely different circumstances. The Celestials main Enemy on earth was the Gods, but Galactus main enemy is the Fantastic Four, it could easily have been the other way around but it wasn't.

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Maker was a weaker version of the beyonder. I'm not saying that Cosmic Cube are > Galactus which they are not is that Cosmic Cube said they were like nothing compare to Celestial.


I'm well aware of that. I'm just pointing out the fact that a Cosmic Containment Unit which is according to mephisto far above a Sentient Cosmic Cube is but a fraction of the power Galactus possesses, and that Kubik have given Galactus the same status as he has given the Celestials.

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I would agree with this. But imo Celestial have had much better consistent showing. While Galactus ability to increase his power might lead him to be more powerful I just don't see Normal Galactus being greater due to things like Durability , Hunger past feats etc.


It is again a matter of perspective, I doesn't think that the average Celestial which pretty much only got Kubik's comment as assistance for it's power is enough to give it a certain win over average Galactus, that varies from being beaten by Earth Heroes to battling Agamotto in his own realm and then later in the Arc defeat the power of Five Cosmic Cubes. Also when Tiamut awoken, he was still weak and he himself stated that he could only take out the majority of earths solar system, Galactus while extremely weak destroyed Three (and a watcher I believe) in one quick swoop, an this is I believe the most recent show of power that can be compared directly between the two.

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Here a statement from Thor who has faced both Galactus and Celestial.
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Which basically points out what have been known all along, that Galactus was only capable of defeat by Thors hand because he was weakened (which he also was beforehand given the fact that he used technology to attack Ego). On another Note I find it quite funny that Thor regards Exitar as the most powerful Celestial when he is the one he has had the greatest success against.

Also I believe it was in the encounter with Ego but not sure Galactus was mentioned as the "Supremely destructive figure in the known universe"

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But as said before we have different opinions and I respect that you pick the celestial but I will contest it every time evil face


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Sure they are but, a problem we faces when going into scans from the narrator is that we end up with three different Celestials, each of them said to be the most powerful one (Exitar, Arishem, Tiamut),
It's not really a problem it's just that some of the Celestials are not known or invented yet. It's not like people will take the most powerful "Celestial" at face value. The main thing people should understand is that Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are more powerful than your regular Celestials. Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are indeed the most powerful Celestials it makes since they can evolve and can be stronger than the norm just like how other races are not equal in power.

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another thing entirely is, that if these are the most powerful Celestials I'm wondered why it was Toaa and Ziran that fought Thanos with the Heart of the Universe.
The entire race was there when they battled HOTU. Your probably referring to when they battle the Thanos with IG well it's more like the writer put two random celestial if I recall they never even mention there names and only referred to them as "Celestial". I believe it was more of showing that Celestial are up there in the Cosmic tree rather than the strongest celestial came to battle the IG user. If i recall Ziran is part of the forth host who have been seen inferior to Arishem on panel.

As for the rest of the stuff you posted I don't feel like replying at the moment, maybe later. wink


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It's not really a problem it's just that some of the Celestials are not known or invented yet. It's not like people will take the most powerful "Celestial" at face value. The main thing people should understand is that Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are more powerful than your regular Celestials. Exitar , Arishem , Tiamut are indeed the most powerful Celestials it makes since they can evolve and can be stronger than the norm just like how other races are not equal in power.


So you don't see it as strange that Three different Celestials each with entirely different on panel showings have each been refered to as the most powerful of the Celestials? The only one that have shown he can Evolve is Tiamut and that didn't happen without a bit of guidance from Uatu iirc.

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The entire race was there when they battled HOTU. Your probably referring to when they battle the Thanos with IG well it's more like the writer put two random celestial if I recall they never even mention there names and only referred to them as "Celestial". I believe it was more of showing that Celestial are up there in the Cosmic tree rather than the strongest celestial came to battle the IG user. If i recall Ziran is part of the forth host who have been seen inferior to Arishem on panel.


Yes I noticed when the edit time had run out, it is rather fortunate that we can use our eyes then smile
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If that isn't Ziran and Toaa, I need some new names for the Celestials.
I don't recall the Fourth host as a entity have appeared weaker then Arishem.

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As for the rest of the stuff you posted I don't feel like replying at the moment, maybe later. wink


No need I already, more ore less, know a counterargument to each, this is hardly a new discussion wink but still a pleasure thumb up


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So you don't see it as strange that Three different Celestials each with entirely different on panel showings have each been refered to as the most powerful of the Celestials?
Itís not strange because sometimes they are referring to the most powerful of the host that appears. Other times the writers or a character describing the celestials doesnít know all the Celestials to make such ďclaimsĒ valid. Also Celestial have undergone few changes since there first appearance as more Celestial show up things are bound to change so maybe claims are only correct for that period of time. Like when they introduced Exitar he was now the most powerful and when Tiamut showed up he took the title etc.

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The only one that have shown he can Evolve is Tiamut and that didn't happen without a bit of guidance from Uatu iirc.


Thatís correct Tiamut is the only one who has evolved to Fulcrum level but there has been many Celestials who have grown in power as shown by Fulcrum. As we have seen in the Prime Celestials that there are those who exceed the norm.


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Yes I noticed when the edit time had run out, it is rather fortunate that we can use our eyes then


It is Ziran and TOAA. I didnít mean it wasnít them itís that the writer never mentioned them by their names (iirc) meaning it didnít really matter which Celestials they picked. It was a way of showing that in Cosmic scales Celestial are up there. Other Celestials donít really have feat like the big three Arishem , DC , and Exitar and these are the guys always mentioned as top guns when it comes to Celestials.


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No need I already, more ore less, know a counterargument to each, this is hardly a new discussion wink but still a pleasure thumb up


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