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AradanOfNumenor
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Oh, and orc would have made their own armor. They had their own distinctive black mail, plus, Mordor was not only highly fertile but contained good ore and minerals. I am pretty sure that if the orcs in Mordor could make Grond, they could make simple mail?...

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Elves get slaughtered

I am afraid the discussion is too broad, since it's Men versus Elves and presumably all elves versus all men we have to remember Tolkien's concept for Middle Earth... a fictional history of our own planet. Tolkien once stated that we would be in the 6th or 7th age... so that means the forces of Man would include modern militaries. So imagine Feanor, Glorfindel and the great Elves being butchered like sheep by say the 1st cavalry division.

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BTW, if it was the first 3 ages then yes Elves would take it. But in a contest of all elves versus all men it would be a ridiculous slaughter.

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Re: Elves get slaughtered

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I am afraid the discussion is too broad, since it's Men versus Elves and presumably all elves versus all men we have to remember Tolkien's concept for Middle Earth... a fictional history of our own planet. Tolkien once stated that we would be in the 6th or 7th age... so that means the forces of Man would include modern militaries. So imagine Feanor, Glorfindel and the great Elves being butchered like sheep by say the 1st cavalry division.


Fingolfin would solo the 1st Cavalry Division.


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Elves would totally win. I mean they have super senses, extra strong, and can talk to treesand make them come alive! Mortal humans better watch out! Those who mess with an elf, DIE.

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In a period of 3 or 4 ages the elves would have a great advantage since they are the firstborn and multiplied before.
Noldor and Teleri are physically stronger than regular men being only equaled by the Numenoreans, the Wood elves maybe weaker than men but they have all the other blessings of Elves in comparison to men:
Much much much better sight
Better senses
Better coordination
ambidextrous
More durable
Heal faster
Faster
Taller
Don't need to sleep
Tireless
Freaking powerful magic
Immortality

Elven great leaders/warriors: Finwe, Feanor, Fingolfin, Turgon, Mahedros, Fingon, Finarfin, Finrod Felagund, Maglor, Galadriel, Erlond, Lúthien, Thingol, Beleg, Mablung, Legolas, Thranduil, Celeborn, Ecthelion, Glorfindel, Celebrimbor, Elohir, Elladan, Gil-galad, Círdan, Angrod, Argon, Ingwe, Dior.

Men great leaders/warriors: Elendil, Isildur, Aragorn, Tuor, Huor, Hurin, Turin, Barahir, Beren, Hador, Boromir, Faramir, Bard, Ar-Phazarôn, Imrahil, Earnur, Elros, Eomer, Théoden.

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Really? I didn't read that in the Hobbit (only one i've read btw). What book was that from?

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By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio. The reason is that while elves live longer and are more resistant to disease they also reproduce at a much lower rate. Most elves IIRC have only one or two children on average in their entire lifespan, which is why their numbers actually started to dwindle as time went on--many were killed in wars but not enough were born to replenish the numbers, and this isn't counting the elves who left Middle Earth on ships.

I think in an all out war there's no question that the elves would be destroyed by men, albeit it would be a costly war for men with lots of long, drawn out sieges.


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By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio. The reason is that while elves live longer and are more resistant to disease they also reproduce at a much lower rate. Most elves IIRC have only one or two children on average in their entire lifespan, which is why their numbers actually started to dwindle as time went on--many were killed in wars but not enough were born to replenish the numbers, and this isn't counting the elves who left Middle Earth on ships.

I think in an all out war there's no question that the elves would be destroyed by men, albeit it would be a costly war for men with lots of long, drawn out sieges.


Destroyed!!!!????

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Really? I didn't read that in the Hobbit (only one i've read btw). What book was that from?


They only need to rest or meditate like Legolas did, but if he wanted he could stay awake more time.

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Destroyed!!!!????

Yes, much in the same way the elves would have been destroyed by orcs had it not been for the aid of men and dwarves.* There just simply weren't enough of them by the Third Age. I honestly can't see how you could argue that the Third Age elves would win a war against the Third Age realm of man.

I'm not commenting on the First Age when they had all their heavy guys because I don't know a lot about that era.

*Granted, men and dwarves would have probably been crushed as well had they not stood together with the elves, but it was fairly obvious in LOTR that men were bearing the brunt of the battle while elves were either protecting their own strongholds or sending token forces to assist the men. How many elves did Lorien end up sending to Helm's Deep? Was it even a hundred? I don't think they were being lazy or parsimonious, I believe that was literally all they could afford to spare at that point.


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*Granted, men and dwarves would have probably been crushed as well had they not stood together with the elves, but it was fairly obvious in LOTR that men were bearing the brunt of the battle while elves were either protecting their own strongholds or sending token forces to assist the men. How many elves did Lorien end up sending to Helm's Deep? Was it even a hundred? I don't think they were being lazy or parsimonious, I believe that was literally all they could afford to spare at that point.


The Elves going to Helms Deep was only in the films. Sauron had launched an all out assault on pretty much everyone who was east of the Misty Mountains in the books. Lorien wouldn't have been able to spare anyone.


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It occurs to me that in the movie it was the Mirkwood Elves, and not the Lorien Elves who sent the token force.


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To Helm's Deep? Pretty sure they were Lorien. Otherwise Haldir has some mixed loyalties.


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Re: Re: Elves get slaughtered

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Fingolfin would solo the 1st Cavalry Division.


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By the Third Age humans outnumbered elves by an obscene ratio.


Which is a lazy attempt by Tolkien to compensate for his superior-in-every-way mary sues; if anything, immortal elves that never age past their physical prime should have to deal with overpopulation if nothing else.

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I remember reading that Elves lose their hardons for boning once they get to a certain age. And they go through a period of loving to bone just prior to that, but it's not long enough to produce large numbers.


That's the problem with creating immortal races. You gotta be clever with your sexing.


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Feanor solos

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Human via being more numerous. Way more numerous. They would siege the elves, and starves them to death.


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Well, Legolas and Aragorn would be there then, would Aragorn have Anduril? That would be a major factor in it, as they would be sacred of it, and he could hurt them with a stare............ read about Narsil scaring alot of people somewhere in the trilogy, Silamrillion, or Unfinished Tales, or the back of those books.


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On average, elves are just as skilled as men, if not more. Therefore, single and impactful human fighters like Aragorn won't have as big of an impact in a war of billions. Judging solely based on sheer physical and technological advantages, I would give the elves the edge.

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