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Originally posted by -Pr-
great, bash me for no reason. nice.


Thatís not how I saw it.

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to some people, yes. you're making it seem like batman is some stone cold killer of everything but humans. he isn't. he just prizes human life above all.


For crying out loud could you please stop repeating Ďto some peopleí over and over again. Do you think I at least deserve some explanation as to why itís logical? If your going to keep repeating that phrase again and again as it stands your logic is that just having an opinion in the first place makes it logical. While you try to explain it to me take into consideration Martian Manhunter is a non-human and so is Superman. Also in part of the explanation I want you to take into account that non-humans have been essential in preserving human life on earth.

I donít care that he kills non-humans its just hypocritical.

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not NEARLY the same thing.


Sure it is Kryptonians are non-humans. Quite frankly the only difference between them is that on average they are more powerful, they are essentially the same as human beings.


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because he'd be a fugitive. he wouldn't be in the JLA anymore if he killed Joker. He wouldn't save all the people he'd usually save if he were part of the team.

He'd be a wanted man, by both friends and the Gotham police, and millions would suffer for it.


First of all thatís not why he doesnít do it. Secondly you donít think its strange that nobody in Gotham is up in arms that the Joker hasnít been dealt with? Nobody is really that bothered that a mass murderer keeps escaping from jail and on ocassion tortures people to death. You donít see it as a plot device?

Worst case scenerio if he was in jail he wouldnít be there for long and not all DC superheroes would be against him. Are the Green lanterns still allowed to kill?


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you really should try some dc stuff. as marvel has been getting progressively worse with stuff like hulk, dc has been getting progressively better with green lantern and the like. some good stuff there.


You're just hating on how great Fraction is


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You're just hating on how great Fraction is


if by great, you mean shit, then yes, i am.


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I've been heavily considering it. I read Identity Crisis for the first time a few weeks ago; was absolutely blown away. Really just thinking of which series to start following.


I've read that and enjoyed it but of course then you have the stupidness of people giving a shit about mind-wiping a rapist who was boasting to do it again.

Have you read infinite crisis?


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Thatís not how I saw it.


then how did you see it?

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For crying out loud could you please stop repeating Ďto some peopleí over and over again. Do you think I at least deserve some explanation as to why itís logical? If your going to keep repeating that phrase again and again as it stands your logic is that just having an opinion in the first place makes it logical. While you try to explain it to me take into consideration Martian Manhunter is a non-human and so is Superman. Also in part of the explanation I want you to take into account that non-humans have been essential in preserving human life on earth.


nobody said they didn't.

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I donít care that he kills non-humans its just hypocritical.


not really.

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Sure it is Kryptonians are non-humans. Quite frankly the only difference between them is that on average they are more powerful, they are essentially the same as human beings.


no, they're aliens. with entirely different organs and cellular structure. they only look like humans on a superficial level.

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First of all thatís not why he doesnít do it.


i didn't say it was why he did it.

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Secondly you donít think its strange that nobody in Gotham is up in arms that the Joker hasnít been dealt with? Nobody is really that bothered that a mass murderer keeps escaping from jail and on ocassion tortures people to death. You donít see it as a plot device?


accept that they are. constantly. i thought you read batman comics?

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Worst case scenerio if he was in jail he wouldnít be there for long and not all DC superheroes would be against him. Are the Green lanterns still allowed to kill?


yes, they are. and a good portion JLA would be against him whether they'd killed before, because of one simple reason: batman said himself that if he kills joker, it'll be the start, not the end.

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I've read that and enjoyed it but of course then you have the stupidness of people giving a shit about mind-wiping a rapist who was boasting to do it again.

Have you read infinite crisis?


palpatine would love you.


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nobody said they didn't.



not really.


You are giving the impression that youíre trying to dodge the point, so Iím going to ask you to address this post again, please respond.

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For crying out loud could you please stop repeating Ďto some peopleí over and over again. Do you think I at least deserve some explanation as to why itís logical? If your going to keep repeating that phrase again and again as it stands your logic is that just having an opinion in the first place makes it logical. While you try to explain it to me take into consideration Martian Manhunter is a non-human and so is Superman. Also in part of the explanation I want you to take into account that non-humans have been essential in preserving human life on earth.


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no, they're aliens. with entirely different organs and cellular structure. they only look like humans on a superficial level.


Yes I know you missed the point and you said exactly what I thought you would. They donít just look like humans they behave exactly like humans. So the only reason why youíre a distinguishing between humans and Krptonians is genetics, thatís racism. Also according to that logic any human being who gets his genetics altered could be killed by Batman.


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i didn't say it was why he did it.


I donít care. Iím just making an explanation.

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accept that they are. constantly. i thought you read batman comics?


I donít read Batman I just have read a lot of and own a lot of Batman comics. So what that means is that either youíre exaggerating or lying or its just a freak stroke of bad luck that I missed it. Please prove that there are constantly protesting about it.

On second thoughts I think I vaguely remember something about that, still want proof though.


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yes, they are. and a good portion JLA would be against him whether they'd killed before, because of one simple reason: batman said himself that if he kills joker, it'll be the start, not the end.



Iím sure some of them would be against him but not all of them, yeah and they would be pretty much against him because thatís another plot device. That still doesnít mean he would end up in jail when he has counter measures for all of them and would get backing from some superheroes. Iím sorry but if the Green lanterns are allowed to kill its completely illogical for them to try and stop him.

Also thatís another contradiction people are worried about superheroes killing but theyíre not worried about superheroes breaking other laws, in Batmans case he tortures criminals for information.


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You're dodging again, and making excuses. I'm not going to post a wall of text for you.


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What points was I dodging? Thats funny because I thought thats what you were doing. I should have done what I was going to do in the first place, ignore you.

Ok I'm going to give you a little while to respond.


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The reason Batman gets this kind of pressure to go lethal, is because he is viewed as equal to Gotham P.D. in the city( though the department wouldn't admit that.) Spider Man & Daredevil don't have that kind of pressure to cross the line. And they have the Punisher willing to go where they wouldn't.
If only DC had stuck it out with Jason Todd, instead of just making him insane. He could have been the Punisher at DC.


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What points was I dodging? Thats funny because I thought thats what you were doing. I should have done what I was going to do in the first place, ignore you.

Ok I'm going to give you a little while to respond.


i already responded to your comments and it wasn't enough for you. i don't know what else you want from me.

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The reason Batman gets this kind of pressure to go lethal, is because he is viewed as equal to Gotham P.D. in the city( though the department wouldn't admit that.) Spider Man & Daredevil don't have that kind of pressure to cross the line. And they have the Punisher willing to go where they wouldn't.
If only DC had stuck it out with Jason Todd, instead of just making him insane. He could have been the Punisher at DC.


he will be. give it time.


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i already responded to your comments and it wasn't enough for you. i don't know what else you want from me.



Look I tell you what I'm just going to lay your post out when I have time and explain what a mess it is i'll let other people decide. Clearly you have a problem admitting when you don't know what you're talking about.


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Look I tell you what I'm just going to lay your post out when I have time and explain what a mess it is i'll let other people decide. Clearly you have a problem admitting when you don't know what you're talking about.




yes, because i'm the one with the problem. please.


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Look I tell you what I'm just going to lay your post out when I have time and explain what a mess it is i'll let other people decide. Clearly you have a problem admitting when you don't know what you're talking about.


Deadline, stop bashing PR.


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like some said charecters change over time so does it matter if the batman in the films is not like the batman in the comics the films are a diffrent take on batman then the comics are

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Batman must of Killed at least one person in the dark knight, when he crushed the garbage truck with the batmobile.


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Batman must of Killed at least one person in the dark knight, when he crushed the garbage truck with the batmobile.


I doubt it. Chris Nolan and the rest of the crew understand the characters' personalities. So I doubt they would have Batman kill anyone.

Ra's Al Ghul's death wasn't a direct kill either. Was it a stupid decision for Batman to leave him on that train to die? I guess so. But was it direct killing? No.

A lot of people also say that he killed Two-Face in The Dark Knight. I guess I could see that as a kill. But it was an accidental kill so it doesn't count.

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like some said charecters change over time so does it matter if the batman in the films is not like the batman in the comics the films are a diffrent take on batman then the comics are


Actually, the Batman films (all of them) are supposed to be ADAPTATIONS. So you can't just do whatever you want to them. Are you allowed to make some changes? Of course you are (no adaptation stays 100% true to the source material). But are you allowed to make any major changes the break the rules of the characters' personalities? No.

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Actually, the Batman films (all of them) are supposed to be ADAPTATIONS. So you can't just do whatever you want to them. Are you allowed to make some changes? Of course you are (no adaptation stays 100% true to the source material). But are you allowed to make any major changes the break the rules of the characters' personalities? No.


This guy really needs to read your opening post on this thread again. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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This guy really needs to read your opening post on this thread again. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Me or mindbomb?

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Actually, the Batman films (all of them) are supposed to be ADAPTATIONS. So you can't just do whatever you want to them. Are you allowed to make some changes? Of course you are (no adaptation stays 100% true to the source material). But are you allowed to make any major changes the break the rules of the characters' personalities? No.


It depends wether you think Batman killing is that important considering he already tortures people it's a next logical step. Quite frankly its illogical and to be quite honest people not used to the comics might not even understand it.

Nolan changed alot of stuff as well. Batman is arguably significantly weaker in DKR two dogs and Joker with a pole was giving him major problems. Also look at the fight at the party comic Batman would have probably had those guys finished in a couple of panels.


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