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Pretty sure Ron Paul is funded by wall street and corporations, too. Funding for campaigns doesn't just come out of thin air. All politicians are the same. And nobody has put a lighter to the constitution. Wait, do we even live in the same country? You're in the U.S., right?

To answer your question, though, no. I just know Ron Paul's a piece of shit like the other two.


Nope,not true at all.He gets alll his donations from the american people,mostly the military and thats just plain idiotic and living in denial saying NOBODY has put a lighter to the constitution.next thing your going to say is congress is not corrupt and bought off and paid for.they they are looking out for our best interests. laughing laughing rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud


there is an awkening going on.Obama and romnesy crowds were all lucky if their stadiums were even half full everywhere they went where pauls were packed to the maxes sold out,Romney stole the republican nomination from him so im glad since we were stuck with one of these clowns as president,it was Obama again.


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Ron Paul is no different from any other national politician.

Unless there is a major change while in office (like the one JFK underwent), a politician does NOT have the best interest of the people at heart. Ever. Period.

How on earth do you think they get to where they are in the first place? The Illuminati/Elite/Globalists whatever you want to call them (and ultimately Satan as well) don't let anyone that will rock the boat into the big time. JFK is pretty much the only exception to the rule (and that happened AFTER he was already in office) and look what happened to him.

So if anyone is looking to Ron Paul to save this country, they're unfortunately very sadly mistaken.


you could not be more wrong,the elite did not care if romney or obama was the president as long as it wasnt paul.Paul was the only one who believed in the constitution and serving the people instead of wall street and the establishment.He like JFK,wants to get rid of the CIA,FBI and the fed which is the reason the world is in the mess that it is because of those evil organizations.Romeny just laughed in an interview when a reporter brought that up laughing about paul wanting to do that.as always,the establishemtn got their way,they kept the one guy who could have changed things out of office because he wanted to do good for the country.wake up dude.


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How are the FBI, CIA, and whatever "Fed" is supposed to mean the reason our world is a mess?

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Nope,not true at all.He gets alll his donations from the american people,mostly the military and thats just plain idiotic and living in denial saying NOBODY has put a lighter to the constitution.next thing your going to say is congress is not corrupt and bought off and paid for.they they are looking out for our best interests. laughing laughing rolling on floor laughing laughing out loud


there is an awkening going on.Obama and romnesy crowds were all lucky if their stadiums were even half full everywhere they went where pauls were packed to the maxes sold out,Romney stole the republican nomination from him so im glad since we were stuck with one of these clowns as president,it was Obama again.


I find that hard to believe. If all of his donations came from the American people, why are you the first person I have ever heard of that even supports him? To have enough money to campaign, he'd have to have supporters up the wazoo.

Give me an instance of a lighter being put to the constitution. Because, I'm going to be honest, I don't think you know what you're talking about. But don't take it personally. I usually assume most people don't.

I won't disagree that certain members of Congress are corrupt. But I don't agree that Congress in its entirety is. It's far more likely that the rich politicians lost touch or never even had been in touch with the people that voted for them.

Wait, lmao, what? Wasn't it you who said earlier that we needed to vote third party, and now I'm finding out Ron Paul was a Republican? What the **** would you expect? The people don't control party nominations, the party does. You can blame the Republicans for that, not corrupt government establishments.


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you could not be more wrong,the elite did not care if romney or obama was the president as long as it wasnt paul.Paul was the only one who believed in the constitution and serving the people instead of wall street and the establishment.He like JFK,wants to get rid of the CIA,FBI and the fed which is the reason the world is in the mess that it is because of those evil organizations.Romeny just laughed in an interview when a reporter brought that up laughing about paul wanting to do that.as always,the establishemtn got their way,they kept the one guy who could have changed things out of office because he wanted to do good for the country.wake up dude.


Why does he get airtime? Why are there millions (and yes, I do mean MILLIONS) of people that follow this guy? Why does the Illuminati allow it? There must be a reason...

Even our beloved JFK was just an Illuminati puppet before and even AFTER he got into office. It wasn't until near the end that he changed (and, I believe, got saved), and look what they did. They knew he was a threat and they disposed of him.

If the Illuminati thought he was a threat at all, he'd be disposed of by now, a la Bill Cooper, Fritz Springmeier, Randall Baer and, as previously mentioned, John F. Kennedy. That goes for Alex Jones, too.

The basic point of it all is that Ron Paul wouldn't be able to be where he is without the Illuminati allowing it. He's controlled opposition. If the "truthers" all go to Ron Paul or Alex Jones, they won't go to the Lord Jesus Christ and GET SAVED! A saved person's prayers can do more damage to the New World Order than thousands of supposed "truthers".


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Somebody define this Illuminati for me, please. You're all acting like you have the same definition, but from my experiences nobody ever has.


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How are the FBI, CIA, and whatever "Fed" is supposed to mean the reason our world is a mess?



I find that hard to believe. If all of his donations came from the American people, why are you the first person I have ever heard of that even supports him? To have enough money to campaign, he'd have to have supporters up the wazoo.

Give me an instance of a lighter being put to the constitution. Because, I'm going to be honest, I don't think you know what you're talking about. But don't take it personally. I usually assume most people don't.

I won't disagree that certain members of Congress are corrupt. But I don't agree that Congress in its entirety is. It's far more likely that the rich politicians lost touch or never even had been in touch with the people that voted for them.

Wait, lmao, what? Wasn't it you who said earlier that we needed to vote third party, and now I'm finding out Ron Paul was a Republican? What the **** would you expect? The people don't control party nominations, the party does. You can blame the Republicans for that, not corrupt government establishments.



Yes Paul is a republican but the ONLY reason he ran under the republican ticket was because third party candidates never get elected and he realised that.He used to be a big supporter of Ronald Reagan and served up in washington under his administration.He later resigned after seeing how corrupt they really were up in washington first hand.He wanted no part of what they were doing up there.after he got out of washington politics,he was an independent his entire time until the 2008 elections when he ran for president and ran under the republican ticket.

He himself has come out and said both parties are corrupt.He has written two books on the corrption that goes on in washington and how there is no difference between the two parties matter of fact.He himself says the american people are right when they call the republicans the reprocrats and the democrats the demopublicans.its a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to look like two parties so the american sheople think they have a choice in who gets elected.

The establishment did not care if Obama got reelected or Romney became the new president just as long as it was one of those two guys in office since neiher believe in the constitution and only serving wall street and the establishment instead of us.as long as one of them got elected and ron paul did not,they were happy.

Dont take this as an insult but something tells me by your posts you are either just in high school or have only been out for a couple years or so because of how naive you are about politics.

I say that because it wasnt until a few years later after I got out of high school and went to college and took political science classes there that I REALLY began to understand how evil and corrupt our government is and how the constitution has been trashed by every president since kennedy our last REAL president we had who followed the cosntitution.

He was our last real president we had because he wasnt a puppet for the establishment.He was trying to return us to the constitution of the united states where the PEOPLE had control over the government instead of all these big corporations and lobbyists that do now.

He was doing great things for the american people publicy saying that he was going to try and get rid of the CIA and thats why they killed him.

The CIA is an evil organization that makes the third reich look like a bunch of choir boys.Many CIA people have gotten out of that organization after they saw how sinister it was because they wanted no part of it.some have written books about it and the horrible experinces they experienced.

When the CIA was originally created by Harry Truman in 1947,he created it with the intention that they would spy on other countrys and would report directly to the president their findings.It started out that way but later on rogue elements in it took over and they started dictating american policys.

Matter of fact Harry Truman in later years himself came out and said creating the CIA was the worst mistake he ever made as president,that he had gone and helped to create a monster.


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part two continued-The FBI illegally spys on its own citizens just like the CIA.Kennedy was killed as well because he was trying to get our monye backed by something.silver.right now its just worthless paper backed by nothing.If you look at your dollar bill it will say FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE on it.take it out and look at it,you will see that.Well for 5 months before his assassination,our money was backed by something.silver.He had 500,000 dollars backed by real silver which is actually worth something ready to go and printed out and was able to get some of them printed out before his assassination.He got like some 10,000 printed out and distributed before his assassination.Go to any coin collector and ask them for a kennedy dollar bill and you will see for yourself it will say UNITED STATES NOTE on it instead of federal reserve note like it does now.Bankers wanted him out of the way for that.That would have killed the abilty oif wall street to feed off americans like they do now.

It sounds to me like you have never seen the movie JFK with Oliver Stone.i always tell people if you are only going to see one more movie the rest of your lives make it JFK.It talks all about it in the movie the REAL reason why he was killed.there was never a shread of evidence that oswald did it.The only part in there they dont talk about it that thwy wanted him dead because he was going to have our money backed by silver.

Oh and when you do see it,dont make the mistake that many people ignorantly do.they go into it thinking that because its a movie,that those facts are made up.It shouldnt even be called a movie because its pretty much a documentary cause its all based on facts and evidence and things that actually transpired and real events.

Matter of fact,Stone exhuastively researched that movie before making it.There was this one researcher in dallas who had been researching the case since 1967 and he had THOUSANDS of documents he gathered over the years of the events that transpired in the movie.He ran a building there called the conspiracy museum.Stone based that movie on all those documents there as well as Jim Marrs book CROSSFIRE,THE PLOT TO KILL KENNEDY which I also highly suggest you read as well.

that man who ran the museum someone asked him while I was down there how accurate that movie was and he said about 95%. There is very little at all in that movie that isnt true.the majority of it all actually transpired and happened.I can tell you now that its 100 times more accurate to what actually DID happen that what the warren commission told the american people.the warren commission was a joke.Thier book belongs in the fairy tales section along with Peter Pan.

Matter of fact I have met an american history teacher who has read practically every book on the assassination over the years and has not only done that but has interviwed witnesses that were there that day as well and everybody that listens to his lectures,they always come out and are convinced that stones movie is the truth because he has all the facts to back it up as well.


Im the first one you have heard of because you are obviously in the dark about what really goes in washington obviously.I posted links a long time ago that I will post again that prove what I am saying that at all of romney and obamas conventions,they were lucky if their stadiums were half full where Pauls were filled to the maxes and sold out.you just never hear any of that from out corrupt media.the media is a TOOL for the government,nothing more.

you want an example of how presidents have shredded the constitution? Bill Clinton shortly after he became president,signed NAFTA which took away MILLIONS of jobs from americans and were shipped overseas to china so they could be cheap and not have to pay americans so much money.In china they do it for slave labor.Bill Clinton committed treason for just that one thing and should be put behind bars for it.

You sound as naive as this one ex friend of mine who I had to break off my friedship with because no matter how many times I proved him wrong,he was too arrogant to admit it.I would point out those facts and he would deny it even thought its very well known.He could not admit he was wrong because he did not want to admit he made a mistake voting for Clinton.

This is where you seem to be as naive as he is.He has been so brainwashed and programmed by our corrupt school system he ignores the facts that politicians get away with crimes everyday that me or you would go to jail for.Surely your not ignorant like him and you realise thats the truth dont you? that ex friend of mine is in denial and afraid of the truth.It wasnt just me that noticed it either.anybody else that tried to tell him that,he just ignored them cause he only sees his own point of view.are YOU going to be like him?

oh and here is one more example of how the constitution has been shreadded.we are suppose to have free speech right? well many protesters were in chicago protesting NATO occupying the middle east and all these protesters were being beaten by billyclubs by policemen just for protesting which is SUPPOSE to be our constitutional right.

that facist dictater Obama then came out and PRAISED the police for their gestapo methods.sounds like nazi germany to me as it would to any rational and logical person. roll eyes (sarcastic)

this election reminds me in fact of the 1992 election between Clinton,Bush and Ross Perot.Just like the establishment did not care if Obama was re elected or if Romney was the new president just as long as Paul was not in office,thats all they care about is one of them being elected.

well 1992 was the same way.The establishment did not care if Clinton or Bush became president just as long as it was one of them and not Perot because BOTH Bush and Clinton were BOTH in favor of NAFTA.PEROT was against it.Bush started NAFTA in his last year in office and never completed it.Clinton completed it after getting elected and HE signed it.


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Part 3-Besides seeing the movie JFK,I also strongly urge you sometime og going to the libray and pick up the book by Jesse Ventura who is a friend of Ron Pauls.Ventura used to serve as a governor of Minnesto and just like Paul,he got out of washington politics because he saw how corrupt and evil they were up in washington also and also wanted no part of the establishment.I matter of fact just checked out his book that YOU for sure need to read called-DEMOCRIPS AND REBLOODICANS.

Here is a summary of what the book talks about.I am typing out what it says on the front cover here.you could REALLY learn a lot form reading this book.If you are interested in the truth,I strongly urge you to read it.It goes on to start out saying this-

the two party system is corrupt-Jesse tells you his proposal for a NO PARTY SYSTEM.Democrips and Rebloodlicans uncovers the truth about how corporations have bought the american electoral and legislative process through the power of lobbyists,campaine contributions,and political action committees.Covering historical details such as the development of the two-party system and the advent of third party candidates throughout our countrys history.Democripsand Rebloodicans exposes how the two major parties,acting like a gangland cabal,have allowed corporations,businesses,and politically motivated wealthy individuals to manipulate elections,bribe elected officials,and in short,silence the average american voter.

The founding fathers of this great nation would be turning in their graves if they knew the direction that our democracy has taken,as our two party system today is the polar opposite of what they intended when they implemented the electoral process.

Exposing the ineptitude of both parties when it comes to insuring the integrity and vitality of American democracy.Jesse Ventura advocates the replacement of the two party- system with a no party system.

As election time rolls around,this book provides the solution for reforming our electoral system.

Oh and in this link here below.you should also order and read Gary Allens book NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY.It was written in 1971.That book as well exposes how both parties are corrupt and neither serve the people.Matter of fact there is this one radio talk show how who credits this book to waking HIM up as a matter of fact to how corrupt our two parties are.

http://www.amazon.com/None-Dare-Cal...n/dp/0945001290

Venturas book you can find at the library.I just checked it out today.But Gary Allens book,you wont be able to find that at any library or bookstore,its been banned and thats because he is telling the truth on how corrupt our government institutions were.


I can really relate to that book because that book hit the nail right on the head in the part where it says our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they knew the direction our democracy was taking cause I have said for YEARS now that if our forefathers could get into a time machine and travel into the future and see whats going on now that they would be horrified,appalled and disgusted with the american sheople for sitting on their a$$es like they do instead of fighting to take our country back like they SHOULD have DECADES ago. mad


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Why does he get airtime? Why are there millions (and yes, I do mean MILLIONS) of people that follow this guy? Why does the Illuminati allow it? There must be a reason...

Even our beloved JFK was just an Illuminati puppet before and even AFTER he got into office. It wasn't until near the end that he changed (and, I believe, got saved), and look what they did. They knew he was a threat and they disposed of him.

If the Illuminati thought he was a threat at all, he'd be disposed of by now, a la Bill Cooper, Fritz Springmeier, Randall Baer and, as previously mentioned, John F. Kennedy. That goes for Alex Jones, too.

The basic point of it all is that Ron Paul wouldn't be able to be where he is without the Illuminati allowing it. He's controlled opposition. If the "truthers" all go to Ron Paul or Alex Jones, they won't go to the Lord Jesus Christ and GET SAVED! A saved person's prayers can do more damage to the New World Order than thousands of supposed "truthers".


He gets airtime because he is a republican.Like I just got done saying,if he had ran under the independent ticket he would NEVER have gotten any airtime and been allowed to be in the debates.as I just got done saying to him,there are MILLIONS of people like myeself that follow him because was the ONLY candidate running who believes in the constitution.

the Illuminate allows it because the worst thing they could have done was assassinate him while running.80% of americans now realise how corrupt our government REALLY is because even they have come out and said that many percentage no longer believes the fairy tales of the warren commission anymore.they cant assassinate EVERYBODY.they CAN though make sure he doesnt get elected.they did not care that he ran just as long as he did not get elected is all they cared about.

He had so much support from the people that they couldnt stop him from running.Johnson didnt have the huge follwing that Paul did.I had never heard of him till just a couple months ago myself.The only difference between Paul and Johnson and Ralph Nader is Paul was on the republican ticket so they allowed him in.Johnson and Nader will never get any time since they are on the independent ticket.You can believe what you want about alex jones,you have failed to convince me though on anything you have said about him as we talked about in the past.

Gary Johnson whom I will now turning my new support to since Ron Paul is out of the picture and is retiring from politics,he has pretty much the same politics that Paul has and he is the candidate these millions that you speak of, our turning to now as well since Paul is now out of the picture.Only difference why they wont give Johnson the spotlight like they do with Paul is because he is on the independent ticket.

what YOU cant get around no matter how hard you try,is that there was a lawsuit filed by delegates of Romneys against Romney himself.They were suing Romney because somehow apparently,they were being forced to be delegates of Romneys instead of being allowed to be delegates of Pauls like they all wanted to be.

Romney illegally stole the Ohio Nomination in the primarys from Paul which was a KEY in him getting the republican nomination and not Paul. Nothing of course came out of that lawsuit that those delegates of Romneys filed against Romney like I knew it wouldnt because just like I knew,out corrupt and bought off court system throughout their lawsuit against him.Corrupt politicians like Romney and Obama are immune to the courts as you well know.

and then at the RNC convention,the RNC changed the rules at the LAST MINUTE that very day to sabotgoge ron pauls startegy to get the delegates he needed to win the republican nomination.He learned from his last time running that the stategy to try and win the republican nomination that he used would not work so he used the stategy he came up with to get the required delegates he needed to get the republican nomination and he would have as well thats why they came up with those last minute rule changes so he could not get the republican nomination. They knew if he got the republican nomination,it was game over,he would have DESTROYED Obama in the debates.

That was why the establishment just recently got rid of Dennis Kucinich and he is no longer a congressmen anymore because he was a ron paul supporter.they always get rid of all the good congressmen who want to do good and serve and honor the constitution like paul and Kucinich do.

sorry but if you say ron paul is corrupt despite all the evidence beofre you,then your losing it because jesse ventura is the most honest politician probably out there and he is friends with paul.I have not met Paul but I HAVE met and spoke with Jesse Ventura and I would trust him with my life because he tells it like it is.

He said he would love to have run as pauls vice president but only if paul switched to an independent because he smartly refuses to budge from his stance that both parties are corrupt.If paul had been elected as president,that would finally be out chance to get our government reformed and thrwo out this two party system and go thr way jesse ventura has suggested cause Paul served the people while he was a politican.

Now Rand Paul is a total different story.He I would NEVER vote for.He is not only a sellout to his father but he is a sellout to the american people by endorcing Romney like he did.He is a traiter and has become corrupt by the system.something Ron Never was.Rand unlike Ron,has sold his soul down the drain for money endorcing Romney since he is part of the new world order which Ron has attacked and exposed.Ron being the good man that HE is,when asked if he would endorce Romney after Romney got the nomination,he said no.Unlike Rand,Ron has class.

Rand is also a sellout to the american people because he has said that americans over 65 shopuld start giving back their social security earnings to the government so that tells you what he stands for.Rons wife has come out and said on Alex Jones show that they have not heard from Rand since he said he would endorce Romney.Rand has turned against his family.Now HIM you can say all you want to and crap on because HE is a sellout and a disgrace to the american people and I would NEVER vote for him for president.


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K. Now on to part two!

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Yes Paul is a republican but the ONLY reason he ran under the republican ticket was because third party candidates never get elected and he realised that.He used to be a big supporter of Ronald Reagan and served up in washington under his administration.He later resigned after seeing how corrupt they really were up in washington first hand.He wanted no part of what they were doing up there.after he got out of washington politics,he was an independent his entire time until the 2008 elections when he ran for president and ran under the republican ticket.


So let me get this straight. Ron Paul has said this to himself over the course of several years:

"I hate these Washington politicians. I'm outta here. **** ya'll!"
"Hmm, I wanna still be in politics though..."
"Imma be an independent!"
"But they never get elected..."
"Imma be a Republican that doesn't act like a Republican! Surely they'll nominate me!"

You're telling me that Ron Paul is not stupid. And yet there's an air of stupidity that permeates his actions. Surely he didn't actually expect to win.

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He himself has come out and said both parties are corrupt.He has written two books on the corrption that goes on in washington and how there is no difference between the two parties matter of fact.He himself says the american people are right when they call the republicans the reprocrats and the democrats the demopublicans.its a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to look like two parties so the american sheople think they have a choice in who gets elected.


This is mistaking a perceived public illusion for the more simple truth. Everybody just simply wants to **** us, because politicians are not like you and me, and none of them ever will be. To be a politician, you need a lot of money. That alone separates you from the vast majority of American citizens.

Personally, I think Obama's push for higher taxes on the wealthy alone makes him far closer to us than you'd ever give him credit for.

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The establishment did not care if Obama got reelected or Romney became the new president just as long as it was one of those two guys in office since neiher believe in the constitution and only serving wall street and the establishment instead of us.as long as one of them got elected and ron paul did not,they were happy.


There is no collective establishment. Everything I know about the government and people especially tells me that there is no way any collective manipulative organization could ever exist. Our government is much more a giant cluster**** than it is a collective and working entity.

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Dont take this as an insult but something tells me by your posts you are either just in high school or have only been out for a couple years or so because of how naive you are about politics.


I'm not naive because I'm not wildly paranoid.

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I say that because it wasnt until a few years later after I got out of high school and went to college and took political science classes there that I REALLY began to understand how evil and corrupt our government is and how the constitution has been trashed by every president since kennedy our last REAL president we had who followed the cosntitution.


I don't know everything, and I don't claim to. But I won't believe everything I'm told. Not without proof.

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He was our last real president we had because he wasnt a puppet for the establishment.He was trying to return us to the constitution of the united states where the PEOPLE had control over the government instead of all these big corporations and lobbyists that do now.


Ugh, such vague language. You see, that's my main problem. You'll say stuff like "return us to the constitution of the United States" and just leave it at that. I know what you mean, but at the same time, I don't. If I believed it every time somebody said the constitution was being torn apart I'd believe myself to be living in an anarchical country. You've gotta tell me what parts, exactly, you mean were being pissed on. I mean shit, there are people that freak the **** out at the mention of gun control because of the words "the right to bear arms." And those are the very people that I don't want to have guns, because they're the people like Ted Nugent. ****ing loons that are just waiting until they can start shooting.

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He was doing great things for the american people publicy saying that he was going to try and get rid of the CIA and thats why they killed him.


I know the Kennedy assassination is one of the most talked about instances of American history, but nobody has ever concluded that it was a government/illuminati plot. Aside from people generally considered to be loons. Even my dad thinks there's something really fishy about that. But not because he believes in some puppetmaster establishment or crazy worldwide organization that manipulates us all. Simply because they did a good job keeping shit under wraps. And to be honest, there could be a lot of reasons for that. Maybe security did a piss poor job in one area that was exploited, and they didn't want people thinking they were incompetent, or do what's already been done and let everybody blame his assassination on them.

Kennedy was popular, from what I've heard, and with greater popularity comes a greater level of public attention. Statistically he should have been more likely to be targeted than most presidents. Especially with how extreme you're saying he was compared to others.

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The CIA is an evil organization that makes the third reich look like a bunch of choir boys.Many CIA people have gotten out of that organization after they saw how sinister it was because they wanted no part of it.some have written books about it and the horrible experinces they experienced.


Another place you could use examples. (I responded to your post going up from the bottom, to each individual part. Not even sure I'm gonna respond to all of it at this point).

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When the CIA was originally created by Harry Truman in 1947,he created it with the intention that they would spy on other countrys and would report directly to the president their findings.It started out that way but later on rogue elements in it took over and they started dictating american policys.


So Truman created it with poor intentions. Not news to me, Truman was a dick.

You never give any examples when you could really use them. How could they dictate policies? I could see influencing new policies created, since before them we wouldn't have had such an agency and thus no laws for them would have been created.

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Matter of fact Harry Truman in later years himself came out and said creating the CIA was the worst mistake he ever made as president,that he had gone and helped to create a monster.


Yeah, and Einstein once called his Cosmological Constant proposal his greatest blunder. Not to say the CIA is necessarily a great idea, but even people hailed as geniuses aren't always right. Also not to say Harry Truman is a genius.


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part two continued-The FBI illegally spys on its own citizens just like the CIA.Kennedy was killed as well because he was trying to get our monye backed by something.silver.right now its just worthless paper backed by nothing.If you look at your dollar bill it will say FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE on it.take it out and look at it,you will see that.Well for 5 months before his assassination,our money was backed by something.silver.He had 500,000 dollars backed by real silver which is actually worth something ready to go and printed out and was able to get some of them printed out before his assassination.He got like some 10,000 printed out and distributed before his assassination.Go to any coin collector and ask them for a kennedy dollar bill and you will see for yourself it will say UNITED STATES NOTE on it instead of federal reserve note like it does now.Bankers wanted him out of the way for that.That would have killed the abilty oif wall street to feed off americans like they do now.


I was pretty sure our money was backed by Gold. Like, all that shit in Fort Knox. I'm not exactly up to date on Fort Knox history, but I'm pretty sure that our money has always been backed by something, and we've all always known that paper is essentially worthless. It's just a more convenient way of trading value that you can thank our federal government for. Gold gets kinda heavy.

Guess I'm just not sure what you're trying to tell me here.

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It sounds to me like you have never seen the movie JFK with Oliver Stone.i always tell people if you are only going to see one more movie the rest of your lives make it JFK.It talks all about it in the movie the REAL reason why he was killed.there was never a shread of evidence that oswald did it.The only part in there they dont talk about it that thwy wanted him dead because he was going to have our money backed by silver.


Ah ****, that's right, that's his name. Lee Harvey Oswald. Imma kick myself for that later.

Well shit, if we had it backed by Gold I'd disagree with using Silver instead, too. This is still that area I'm just not sure what you're trying to tell me. Or I am and I just don't know what to tell you, lol.

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Oh and when you do see it,dont make the mistake that many people ignorantly do.they go into it thinking that because its a movie,that those facts are made up.It shouldnt even be called a movie because its pretty much a documentary cause its all based on facts and evidence and things that actually transpired and real events.


Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies are based on real events too. Doesn't make it completely accurate.

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Matter of fact,Stone exhuastively researched that movie before making it.There was this one researcher in dallas who had been researching the case since 1967 and he had THOUSANDS of documents he gathered over the years of the events that transpired in the movie.He ran a building there called the conspiracy museum.Stone based that movie on all those documents there as well as Jim Marrs book CROSSFIRE,THE PLOT TO KILL KENNEDY which I also highly suggest you read as well.


Ugh, more work. Maybe someday I'll get to read and watch, but as of now it ain't gonna happen. Just promise me it isn't going to be like those History Channel Ancient Aliens things though. A bunch of eerie coincidences that ultimately lack hard proof.

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that man who ran the museum someone asked him while I was down there how accurate that movie was and he said about 95%. There is very little at all in that movie that isnt true.the majority of it all actually transpired and happened.I can tell you now that its 100 times more accurate to what actually DID happen that what the warren commission told the american people.the warren commission was a joke.Thier book belongs in the fairy tales section along with Peter Pan.


Hmm.

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Matter of fact I have met an american history teacher who has read practically every book on the assassination over the years and has not only done that but has interviwed witnesses that were there that day as well and everybody that listens to his lectures,they always come out and are convinced that stones movie is the truth because he has all the facts to back it up as well.


See, people have always told me the same shit about 9/11 documentaries.

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Im the first one you have heard of because you are obviously in the dark about what really goes in washington obviously.I posted links a long time ago that I will post again that prove what I am saying that at all of romney and obamas conventions,they were lucky if their stadiums were half full where Pauls were filled to the maxes and sold out.you just never hear any of that from out corrupt media.the media is a TOOL for the government,nothing more.


Lol, the one thing I know about Journalists tells me that is complete bullshit.

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you want an example of how presidents have shredded the constitution? Bill Clinton shortly after he became president,signed NAFTA which took away MILLIONS of jobs from americans and were shipped overseas to china so they could be cheap and not have to pay americans so much money.In china they do it for slave labor.Bill Clinton committed treason for just that one thing and should be put behind bars for it.


I recognize the acronym. The North American Free Trade Agreement has to do with the extremely complex world economy. The one thing that I've always seen behind all the talk about our new worldwide trading web is that all attempts to ****ing predict what one action will cause end in complete and utter failure, simply because of all of the factors to consider. Yeah, you can guess one perhaps the most immediate things, but that's one hell of a long chain of dominoes that you can potentially deal with. And as we continue down the road, we'll get better at coping with the world economy and policies will improve.

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You sound as naive as this one ex friend of mine who I had to break off my friedship with because no matter how many times I proved him wrong,he was too arrogant to admit it.I would point out those facts and he would deny it even thought its very well known.He could not admit he was wrong because he did not want to admit he made a mistake voting for Clinton.


I don't think I'll have to worry about that.

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This is where you seem to be as naive as he is.He has been so brainwashed and programmed by our corrupt school system he ignores the facts that politicians get away with crimes everyday that me or you would go to jail for.Surely your not ignorant like him and you realise thats the truth dont you? that ex friend of mine is in denial and afraid of the truth.It wasnt just me that noticed it either.anybody else that tried to tell him that,he just ignored them cause he only sees his own point of view.are YOU going to be like him?


Yeah, the School's totally corrupt. That's why the Government cuts school funding every other week. Totally ass rapin' their own agents and still getting what they want. The Government does indeed **** the school system. If you want to be worried about anything that they do, it's cutting school funding. The first method of social control is keeping your populace stupid.

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oh and here is one more example of how the constitution has been shreadded.we are suppose to have free speech right? well many protesters were in chicago protesting NATO occupying the middle east and all these protesters were being beaten by billyclubs by policemen just for protesting which is SUPPOSE to be our constitutional right.


Protesting is a right guaranteed only when done peacefully. Situations like that tend to be very tense. And it's why soldiers used to/still get trained to fire only when ordered to fire. Tension sometimes results in a mistake. If you're so much older than me and wiser, I'd think you'd be able to understand that people get crazy when they're so riled up. Accidents happen, and all it would take is one accidental hit to cause an officer to think he'd been assaulted, or one protestor getting the same and immediately lashing out.

I know that isn't definitely the reason, but I'd have to see some articles and shit on the events.

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well 1992 was the same way.The establishment did not care if Clinton or Bush became president just as long as it was one of them and not Perot because BOTH Bush and Clinton were BOTH in favor of NAFTA.PEROT was against it.Bush started NAFTA in his last year in office and never completed it.Clinton completed it after getting elected and HE signed it.


How is it possible to know what the establishment wants? Not like it's going to poke a hole in your argument here, I'm just curious. One thing that always sticks out in stuff like is the question "Then how do we know?" always goes unanswered.


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Alright, and that last part ain't gonna get a reply. The second one alone was too much of a pain in my balls just to shorten to 10,000 characters.

Edit: K, I lied.

You've basically just attacked the two party system. And you're not alone. The two party system has been hated since our country was founded. I think even Washington himself was against it. But it has it's advantages and disadvantages.


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He gets airtime because he is a republican.Like I just got done saying,if he had ran under the independent ticket he would NEVER have gotten any airtime and been allowed to be in the debates.as I just got done saying to him,there are MILLIONS of people like myeself that follow him because was the ONLY candidate running who believes in the constitution.

the Illuminate allows it because the worst thing they could have done was assassinate him while running.80% of americans now realise how corrupt our government REALLY is because even they have come out and said that many percentage no longer believes the fairy tales of the warren commission anymore.they cant assassinate EVERYBODY.they CAN though make sure he doesnt get elected.they did not care that he ran just as long as he did not get elected is all they cared about.

He had so much support from the people that they couldnt stop him from running.Johnson didnt have the huge follwing that Paul did.I had never heard of him till just a couple months ago myself.The only difference between Paul and Johnson and Ralph Nader is Paul was on the republican ticket so they allowed him in.Johnson and Nader will never get any time since they are on the independent ticket.You can believe what you want about alex jones,you have failed to convince me though on anything you have said about him as we talked about in the past.

Gary Johnson whom I will now turning my new support to since Ron Paul is out of the picture and is retiring from politics,he has pretty much the same politics that Paul has and he is the candidate these millions that you speak of, our turning to now as well since Paul is now out of the picture.Only difference why they wont give Johnson the spotlight like they do with Paul is because he is on the independent ticket.

what YOU cant get around no matter how hard you try,is that there was a lawsuit filed by delegates of Romneys against Romney himself.They were suing Romney because somehow apparently,they were being forced to be delegates of Romneys instead of being allowed to be delegates of Pauls like they all wanted to be.

Romney illegally stole the Ohio Nomination in the primarys from Paul which was a KEY in him getting the republican nomination and not Paul. Nothing of course came out of that lawsuit that those delegates of Romneys filed against Romney like I knew it wouldnt because just like I knew,out corrupt and bought off court system throughout their lawsuit against him.Corrupt politicians like Romney and Obama are immune to the courts as you well know.

and then at the RNC convention,the RNC changed the rules at the LAST MINUTE that very day to sabotgoge ron pauls startegy to get the delegates he needed to win the republican nomination.He learned from his last time running that the stategy to try and win the republican nomination that he used would not work so he used the stategy he came up with to get the required delegates he needed to get the republican nomination and he would have as well thats why they came up with those last minute rule changes so he could not get the republican nomination. They knew if he got the republican nomination,it was game over,he would have DESTROYED Obama in the debates.

That was why the establishment just recently got rid of Dennis Kucinich and he is no longer a congressmen anymore because he was a ron paul supporter.they always get rid of all the good congressmen who want to do good and serve and honor the constitution like paul and Kucinich do.

sorry but if you say ron paul is corrupt despite all the evidence beofre you,then your losing it because jesse ventura is the most honest politician probably out there and he is friends with paul.I have not met Paul but I HAVE met and spoke with Jesse Ventura and I would trust him with my life because he tells it like it is.

He said he would love to have run as pauls vice president but only if paul switched to an independent because he smartly refuses to budge from his stance that both parties are corrupt.If paul had been elected as president,that would finally be out chance to get our government reformed and thrwo out this two party system and go thr way jesse ventura has suggested cause Paul served the people while he was a politican.

Now Rand Paul is a total different story.He I would NEVER vote for.He is not only a sellout to his father but he is a sellout to the american people by endorcing Romney like he did.He is a traiter and has become corrupt by the system.something Ron Never was.Rand unlike Ron,has sold his soul down the drain for money endorcing Romney since he is part of the new world order which Ron has attacked and exposed.Ron being the good man that HE is,when asked if he would endorce Romney after Romney got the nomination,he said no.Unlike Rand,Ron has class.

Rand is also a sellout to the american people because he has said that americans over 65 shopuld start giving back their social security earnings to the government so that tells you what he stands for.Rons wife has come out and said on Alex Jones show that they have not heard from Rand since he said he would endorce Romney.Rand has turned against his family.Now HIM you can say all you want to and crap on because HE is a sellout and a disgrace to the american people and I would NEVER vote for him for president.


Dennis Kucinich "honors" the Constitution? As a native Ohioan, he couldn't give a darn about the Constitution or the American people.

#1 Dennis Kucinich has no problem with illegal aliens that undermine our national borders, take jobs away from legal Americans (native, naturalized or otherwise) and push us closer and closer to a North American Union, and ultimately New World Government.

#2 Dennis Kucinich is a MAJOR proponent of gun control. Isn't the right to bear firearms in the... oh, I don't know... CONSTITUTION?!?!

There are many other facts you can check out about Kucinich (such as his "Department of Peace" bill that has been advocated by New Agers for years, his sympathy for fundamental/radical Muslims and etc.) that will clearly show you that Dennis Kucinich does NOT "honor" the Constitution in any way. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

And you still haven't answered my question about why Paul gets airtime. JFK was a Democrat and he got killed. If Ron Paul was anywhere near a threat to the NWO, he would be gone. Same goes for Alex Jones. If you've ever seen the 1995 Illuminati card game, you know that they have a ton of cards that seem to have "predicted" events in the future (WTC and Pentagon in flames, Gulf Oil Spill, etc.) has a card called S.M.O.F. (Secret Masters Of Fandom) Let's take a look at the card:
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Notice that the card's "effect" is an increase in control for any "weird" group (conspiracy theorists, Trekkies, etc.) An INCREASE IN CONTROL? And if we look at the card itself, the two SMOFs have an UNCANNY resemblances to two people we both know...

They are CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!

The ONLY way to combat the NWO is to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He said, "...If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)


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The sheer amount of fear of change that I can see in some of you guy's writing absolutely terrifies me.


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fear of change,what on earth are you talking about? thats what the majority of the sheople here at this site asleep and in denial about how corrupt our government really is,fear is change.that we could actually have a third party president in office to serve the people instead of wall street.i would shoot off fireworks if we ever had that kind of real change this fraud bastard Obama lied to the american people about and never had any intention of giving.

I am in a rush now so dont have time to address all that stuff you posted at the moment but something real quickly I wanted to mention was something else the movie JFK did not cover in the film is that in the 70's,many people were starting to figure out that we were lied to as more and more evidenced surfaced there was more than one gunman involved.

There were many multiple unnaccountable bullets found that day as well that was suppressed from the american people for many years.Photos show a bullet in the windshield that a couple forensic experts examined who said the bullet was an ENTRANCE bullet meaning it could not have come from behind from the school book depository,there testtimony got suppressed,there is a vidoe out where they talk about it,there was another you can see in the photos showing one in the doorframe,another in the grass you see a plainclothes FBI agent picking up and putting in his pocket walking off with.

Thats destruction of evidence he should have gone to jail for,another one shown at the curb that was latet removed and paved over a couple days later,another bullet hole in the street sign and AGAIN,destruction of evidence,the street sign was also removed that day and a new one was put up two days later.two police officers talked about that where again their testiomy on that was not investigated.

in the very beginning of the film as well,you see a lady dumped off the side of a highway in Lousiana the day before the assassination.she was later found by a police officer that day and taken to a hospital.Her story alone proves there was a conspiracy.

There are a lot of net trolls who troll message boards defending the warren commison to no end,you cant tell they are trolls with no interest in the truth.they blatantly ignore this fact all the time,when they do I just put them on ignore because they have just been sent here to waste your time.

There used to be like at least 3 here that used to troll these boards constantly when this section was constantly busy and had lots of traffice but they pretty much dont come here anymore because of the lack of traffic in this section now. but anyways,the thing alone that the warren commission ignored and never followed up on was the testimony given by Rose Cheramie whom again you can see at the beginning of the film.

She was taken into the hospital the day before the assassination after the officer found her on the side of the highway and she was mumbling out to the doctors there was a plot to kill kennedy by a group of people traveling to dallas that day.Unfortunatly she was on drugs so the doctors did not take her serious that day.

It was only after the assassination that the doctors then took her serious that they called the police and reported to them what she told them.conveintly for the government,she died mysteriously later on. many people who gave versions different than the governments ended up dying myserious deaths.one more case.When oswald left his rooming house after the assassination,he ALLEGEDLY shot officer J.D Tippet which is b.s as well because every witness there originally described TWO men there shooting him and none of the descriptions matched oswalds.

the man closest to the shooting was the cab driver and he originally gave a description of two men shooting The officer J.D. Tippet and again,neither description described oswald. a few weeks later the cab drivers cousin who was a dead ringer for the cab driver,he would up as a mysterious dead body.after his cousin was obviously killed off,the cabdriver then changed his story and said there was only one man and the description then mathced oswald.Garrison and his investigaters discovered all this during their investigation.

whast REALLY funny though about our joke government STILL saying today that oswald was the lone assassin is that like i said,when many people started not falling foer the lie anymore and saw the truth that there was a conspiracy,they demanded a new investigation into the assassination and in the 70's there was one called THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTE ON ASSASSINATIONS and even THEY concluded the warren commission was wrong,that his assassination was the result of a conspiracy.

here is when you can easy spot trolls on the internet.when they ignore this fact and still defend the fairy tale of the warren commission. so since that transpired,the government came up with a NEW PATSY saying it was the mob and the mob alone that did it. The problem with that though is there was a senator who served on that commission who wrote a book about it talking about how he was so disgusted with the investigation because anything that pointed towards government involvement,they ignored.so he got so disgusted since again they were not interested in finding out the truth,he resigned in disgust.

example,as the committees investigation was winding down,Two CIA men came forward and confessed to it.It obviously bothered their conscience because they came forward and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this investigation? and like i said,since it pointed towards government involvement,they did not puruse that lead of course.


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as you can tell,trying not to sound arrogant or anything,but I am pretty knowledgeable about the JFK assassination,the open minded objective people after reading that who are not trolls who admit I know my stuff on this subject.Like I told you,I know an american history professor who has researched the case since 1967 who has read probably all the 2000 plus books on it as well as interviewed witnesses that were there that day and authors of these books over the years.so I consider myself very fortunate enought to know him like i do.

again I say see the movie,again its all based on facts and evidence and is 100 times much closer to the truth than the warren commssion is.people make the ignorant assumption thinking that just because its a movie,that its a novel or something.I pretty much proved to you that the CIA did it and there was a conspiracy.i already told you that there have been books written by people that have gotten out of the CIA once they saw how evil and corrupt that organization was. acknowledge all this and I address all your posts you made otherwise there is no point in going any further.

I say that because people in REAL life I know,once I ask them to see that movie and look at the facts and evidence,they are convinced right off the bat I know what I am talking about.someone would have to be on drugs or in complete denial to not think otherwise and its only NET people I find that wont admit I have proved my case and thats because they can cowardly hide behind the computer.

oh and yeah,9/11 was done by the CIA as well,but thats another different story for another thread.you got to acknowledge the CIA did it first before I even go into THAT discussion with you.

oh and once last thing,here is a congressmen who exposed how corrupt the fed is and how he paid for it with his life in the process.as you can see from the link,they tired to assinate him twice but failed,but the third time was a charm and they succeeded.the fed is a PRIVATE organization,its not even part of the government.thats ANOTHER thing the american sheople have been brainwashed into believeing over the years.

see the movie and read those books and this one as well.you'll learn something and become awake.

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here this will give you an idea what the movie is about,if this trailer doesnt amek you want to see it,well I give up.I did everything i could to get you to see the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKDYA-gt9Ug

i know what i am talking about when i say there is every little in that movie that is not what actually happened.again its 95& accurate.


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oh one more thing real quick,last year in fact there was a propaganda piece put out by PBS endorcing the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin.they do that practically every november because they are getting desperate that most americans dont believe in that lie anymore.hee hee.

I mean there was the HSCA investigation in the 70's whem even they concluded the wc was wrong you know? hee hee.
yet those idiot fools somehow think americans have forgottem about that.what dumb fools they are.hee hee.

and at the end of the program they said-despite all this evidence 80% of americans believe that there was a conspiracy.lol. even THEY had to admit the majority of americans are not falling for the lie anymore. laughing out loud

after they said that I was wishing I could say to those people who wrote that to thier faces-well duh,someone would have to be on crack to fall for your b.s and lies you just sprouted off. they always omit key facts in their propaganda pieces of course.


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I don't know why you spent that much time on the JFK topic. I admitted I wasn't knowledgeable on it and I'd have rather seen you respond to other topics that I actually had something to say about.


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I don't know why you spent that much time on the JFK topic. I admitted I wasn't knowledgeable on it and I'd have rather seen you respond to other topics that I actually had something to say about.


Im just saying you really need to watch that movie sometime and accept the fact that it was the CIA that killed JFK.thats a a scary thing for many americans to have to accept because if they acknowledge that and accept the government can kill the president and get away with it then they have to do what they dont want to admit,acknowledge that they can easily kill any of us and get away with it as well and thats too much of a frightening thing for many to have to face.

Im not going to get into a discussion with you about how corrupt our government really is.Like all people do who are naive and in the dark about how corrupt our government really is,you insulted me and ignoreded the facts and evidence.thats a typical ploy from people on the net cause they can hide behind the computer.

If your naive enough that you dont understand that we are losing more and more freedoms and libertys of ours all the time and we are living in a police state,Nothing I say is going to change your mind.I know that because I have learned over the years people on the net just dont want to listen and look at the facts.

I have never come across someone on the net mater of fact that has come out and said-wow,how do you know all this stuff? and was willing to learn and it doesnt appear that you are any different. people in real life I amaze all the time.dont mean to toot my own horn, im just telling you how it is.

Kennedy was our last REAL president we had,Real because he wasnt a puppet for the establishment and wasnt doing what he was told.our corrupt school system doesnt teach us that the president is just a puppet for the elite,that he doesnt run the country like he is suppose to be able to according to the constitution.our right to freely elect our own leaders was taken awauy from us on nov 22nd 1963.

I went into long detail about the kennedy case because you were the one naive enough to ask how is the CIA an evil organization remember? roll eyes (sarcastic) well thats an example. Him trying to get rid of the federal reserve shows you how evil they are as well.after his assassination,Johnson reversed Kennedys policy of course just like he reversed kennedys policy he had to completely withdraw us out of vietnam by 1965.war means big business for corporations,thats why 9/11 was instigated as well as to allow the government to illegally spy on its citizens.

Kennedy was trying to return us to the constitution of the united states where the PEOPLE had control over the government instead of all these corporations that do now and to where the government served the people instead of us serving them like we do now. Every president that has been in office since Jfk,has been more evil and more corrupt than the previous one. again we dont elect these people. you cannot become president unless you are a member of the EVIL organization the Council of foreign relations.

CFR,their mindset is if you are not rich and powerful like them,you are their enemy.even JFK was a CFR member,that was the ONLY reason he got elected. see they only put him in office because they thought he would be evil and corrupt just like his dad was.His father had ties to to nazis and the mod so he was evil.But he was nothing like his father and he went after the mob tooth and nail. Bush sr,his father Prescott Bush had ties to the nazis also.With the Bushs they DID guess right on because they ARE as evil as their father and grandfather was.

I gave you that example how clinton betrayed american signing NAFTA which again.Bush sr drew up the paln his final year in office and was completed under his pal Clinton.oh and clinton and the Bushs have a long standing friendship with each other as well. Clinton signed it and we are still paying for it today.as long as ross perot did not get elected,they were happy cause he was against nafta.

I gave you sources to look at and read to get educated on,read them and THEN come back to me cause your obviously naive to how corrupt our government is.If you hadnt thrown that insult and lie that Im paranoid I would debate you on this further but that just tells me you dont want to learn so your just going to have to find all this out on yoiur own.oh and I would advise taking a political sciece class in college as well,they educate you about these kinds of things.

Batdude yeah now HE is paranoid saying Paul is no different than Romeny and Obama. I am NOT though.


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Dennis Kucinich "honors" the Constitution? As a native Ohioan, he couldn't give a darn about the Constitution or the American people.

#1 Dennis Kucinich has no problem with illegal aliens that undermine our national borders, take jobs away from legal Americans (native, naturalized or otherwise) and push us closer and closer to a North American Union, and ultimately New World Government.

#2 Dennis Kucinich is a MAJOR proponent of gun control. Isn't the right to bear firearms in the... oh, I don't know... CONSTITUTION?!?!

There are many other facts you can check out about Kucinich (such as his "Department of Peace" bill that has been advocated by New Agers for years, his sympathy for fundamental/radical Muslims and etc.) that will clearly show you that Dennis Kucinich does NOT "honor" the Constitution in any way. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

And you still haven't answered my question about why Paul gets airtime. JFK was a Democrat and he got killed. If Ron Paul was anywhere near a threat to the NWO, he would be gone. Same goes for Alex Jones. If you've ever seen the 1995 Illuminati card game, you know that they have a ton of cards that seem to have "predicted" events in the future (WTC and Pentagon in flames, Gulf Oil Spill, etc.) has a card called S.M.O.F. (Secret Masters Of Fandom) Let's take a look at the card:
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Notice that the card's "effect" is an increase in control for any "weird" group (conspiracy theorists, Trekkies, etc.) An INCREASE IN CONTROL? And if we look at the card itself, the two SMOFs have an UNCANNY resemblances to two people we both know...

They are CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!

The ONLY way to combat the NWO is to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He said, "...If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)


where do you get this nonsense about Kucinich? and yes I did answer your question about why Paul gets so much airtime.thats because he has a HUGE following they could not stop,they allowed him to debate because they had it set up to make sure he did not get the nomination.

Paul is not a threat to NWO because he is just a LOWLY congressmen,one congressman can only do so much you know? laughing

I been down that road with you before on alex jones so your not going to convince me on that.and unlike those paid trolls that used to post here all the time,you know "I" am objective and open minded cause I went back and forth on him for a while before finally deciding he is not part of the NWO agenda.I have addressed that many times before in the past that if they kill alex jones,then that just reinforces everything he has said about them and the whole world will klnow he is telling the truth.weh nthey cant kill you they try to discredit you.

I always pointed this fact out to you all the time but you always ignored it,they did not kill garrison back then when he was trying to bring the lawsuit against clay shaw the new orleans businessman involved in it in the jfk assassination,that they did not kill him because that would have reinforced everything he was saying about the CIA and our governbment if they had done that,so they did ht enext thing that they can do,try to reidule him,same thing they are trying to do with jones.according to YOUR logic,Jim Garrison was part of the new world order plan as well because they never killed him. laughing cant have it both ways,if that applies t jones,than that appies to garrison as well. big grin


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