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Its Iraq all over again.


how?

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We're not going to invade Uganda (and before ini corrects me I mean a balls-deep invasion, not the hundred specialists we've already sent). At least I highly doubt we will. Republicans and Hawkish Dems talk about invading a place for at least a few months before it actually happens.


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Your faith in the US government overseas is disturbing. Dangerously disturbing.


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Americans support the Ugandan government... why would they invade?


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Americans support the Ugandan government... why would they invade?




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The West doesn't give two-shits about Africa, just more posturing when needed. They're happy to have Africa be in a constant state of turmoil, so the goods can be more easily pillaged.

And no, Uganda won't be another Iraq, don't be a tool. Once the story has run its needed course, you won't hear a word.


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I know, its not like Iraq at all

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Yes, the story (Which happens to take place in 2003) has recently run its course and has also recently accumulated a good amount of support all thanks to first world guilt. A little late but its never too late for justice right?

Speaking of being late, Obama has sent troops to Uganda barely 5 months ago without resulting congress. Not that he needs to! Hes obama! And "little does he know" he will soon have support thanks to this recent heart touching 30 minute video. Looks like the 70% of those donations sure paid off. But why is obama barely sending troops there if he never needed authority from congress?

“They will only be providing information, advice and assistance to partner nation forces, and they will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense.”

What exactly are they going to advise by the way? Kony hasn't been spotted there in 6+ years. Kony is also expected dead by many Ugandan people themselves. Kony was at his prime in 2003. But the people want to take out the bad guy.

Coincidentally there is a recent discovery of oil earlier that year. Before Kony, the American people were already getting fed up with USA's military presence around the world, how would the US be able to manage to put some troops in Africa?

How did we get into Iraq again? WMDs that werent there? Oh look oil.

If you don't see the similarities of this foreign policy compared to iraq then you're an idiot.



Then again I already think that about most of you anyways. The lack of common sense here is insane.


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right, I'm an idiot because "oil + americans" isn't a nuanced enough look at the contexts...

this one is laughable man...


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Originally posted by Mairuzu
Yes, the story (Which happens to take place in 2003) has recently run its course and has also recently accumulated a good amount of support all thanks to first world guilt. A little late but its never too late for justice right?

Speaking of being late, Obama has sent troops to Uganda barely 5 months ago without resulting congress. Not that he needs to! Hes obama! And "little does he know" he will soon have support thanks to this recent heart touching 30 minute video. Looks like the 70% of those donations sure paid off. But why is obama barely sending troops there if he never needed authority from congress?

“They will only be providing information, advice and assistance to partner nation forces, and they will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense.”

What exactly are they going to advise by the way? Kony hasn't been spotted there in 6+ years. Kony is also expected dead by many Ugandan people themselves. Kony was at his prime in 2003. But the people want to take out the bad guy.

Coincidentally there is a recent discovery of oil earlier that year. Before Kony, the American people were already getting fed up with USA's military presence around the world, how would the US be able to manage to put some troops in Africa?

How did we get into Iraq again? WMDs that werent there? Oh look oil.

If you don't see the similarities of this foreign policy compared to iraq then you're an idiot.



Then again I already think that about most of you anyways. The lack of common sense here is insane.
- The President doesn't need Congress' go ahead to send troops anywhere. He needs Congress approval only to declare war.

- The American people are still fed up with USA's military presense around the world. The Kony video has a total of about 80 million views. There are over 400 million people in the United States alone, and the views include viewers from all over the world, not just the States. So, the reality is that the overwhelming majority of Americans probably have no idea who Joseph Kony even is.

- It took the destruction of the largest buildings in America, as well as the Pentagon, and the loss of over a hundred thousand US citizens, in order for the American people to support going in to Iraq. And that was after ten years of relative peace.

- If you think this one little video is going to incite Americans to support military action in Uganda, especially in an age where American citizens' cynicism and distrust of its own government is reaching record levels, you're insane.


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What exactly are they going to advise by the way? Kony hasn't been spotted there in 6+ years. Kony is also expected dead by many Ugandan people themselves.


Once a person leaves a place they can never come back to it? Troops were sent to help advise the Ugandan government in building defenses in case Kony (or someone else) attacks again. Evidently the US intelligence community thinks Kony is alive, the fact that some Ugandans don't is pretty immaterial (some Brits think Paul McCartney is dead after all). Even if Kony himself is dead the LRA is definately still active, they were killing people in Uganda as recently as 2009.


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I wonder what the outcome of this thread would have been if I was for Kony 2012


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In that case, I'd say the Americans could probably spend their lives and treasure on something less complex and predictably a terrible idea than getting involved in the conflict in DRC


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17375701

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The half-hour film Invisible Children made by US-based campaigners has gone viral since its release last week. But the first public screening in Lira provoked outrage when it was shown to thousands of people in the town. Many in the audience had experience of Mr Kony's Lord's Resistance Army, and felt it was insensitive

The African Youth Initiative Network (AYINET) wanted to allow the people worst affected by the LRA and who do not have internet access to see what millions of people around the world have been talking about.

Correspondents say many of the crowd in Lira left early on Tuesday and some threw stones.

But the organisers said the result was a mixture of anger and incomprehension especially about the campaign's strategy to "make Kony famous".

"People kept on getting upset," said Victor Ochen of AYINET.

"They were wondering: 'If this is about northern Uganda, how come it's dominated by non-Ugandans? What is it about now? This is an insult,'" he said.

"And they were saying [that] whoever did this movie was celebrating their suffering."


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good friend of mine shared this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-ending/254510/

cynical and interesting, idk, I really liked this:

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Human rights issues like Darfur might generate months of years of engagement, but Kony 2012 had one really good week, and now it's over. That's too bad, because Central African violence is the kind of issue that could benefit from a small but passionate and knowledgeable group of people, not from a 50 million-person mob with a 30-minute attention span.


AJE, as always, has a good show on this:



And as OV pointed out, the Ugandans themselves are not very happy about this:

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/uga...over_kony_2012/

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Top Ugandan officials denounce the video — created to raise awareness about Joseph Kony, the leader of the brutal Lord’s Resistance Army operating in central Africa — as false. Kony’s LRA, they say, has not operated in Uganda for years.

Other Ugandans slam the video as the work of privileged young foreigners. Critics around the world have been vociferous, too. But most Ugandans have not even seen the Kony 2012 video, produced by the American NGO Invisible Children, because the internet is not widely accessible.

Among those who haven’t seen it, but are still outspokenly critical is Pius Bigirimana, who is in charge of the reconstruction of northern Uganda from the devastation of the LRA.

“Anybody portraying Uganda to still have insecurity is a sadist. That person is a liar and is peddling falsehoods,” said Bigirimana.


idk, it would be nice if we lived in a perfect world and all people like Kony could be brought to justice simply through being brought into the public eye and people agreeing he is terrible... but ya... it appears this campaign might be a little naive to say the least.

and ya, just to reiterate... god damn, wtf is wrong with America if they think they want to get involved in the conflict in DRC...


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The Ugandan response is really bizarre. I get the "privileged white kids" thing but "this will make Kony famous" sounds cultural, like its better to forget about him. Bigirimana is obviously towing the party line there.


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A little bit of... icing... on the cake.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...kony-2012-video


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Who is buying these young poor girls and boy??? Or is this just Hunky talk?

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