Noone denies that. They have been Arabanized, but they aren't ethnically Arabs. Besides, I personally know many Muslim Egyptians who do not consider themselves to be Arab, but rather Egyptians.
In the Arabian Peninsula there is simply no confusion about who's Arab. Arabs are 'locals'. Everyone else is Jordenian or Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever.
Classifications in the Middle East of who's what do not quite reflect those of the Westerners, surprisingly, but it isn't simple either, I will admit.
I made it simpler than it really is.
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How can that possibly be? Muslim Lebanese are not Arabs either, they're technically Phoenicians. Following a certain religion doesn't change your ethnicity.
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Again like i said wait 30 years and im not an Arab at all but i do get mistaken for being one which i find kinda frustrating but sometimes very funny being that i speak 5 languages (English, Potwari, Punjabi, Urdu & Hindi) with Basic Arabic and basic German being the 2 languages i learnt during school.
Mark my words, The South Asians will over take the UK and there is nothing anybody can do about it
Not the EDL , not the BNP, not anybody else.
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As long as people aren't confusing Arabs with Persians, Turks, or South Asians it's no real skin off my nose.
I had a debate with someone on this forum who suggested that Arabs and Turks had no meaningful differences and only agreed that Japan and China were distinct because --get this-- they were separated by the ocean.
That's just not true. A far right government could take power in parliament and outlaw immigration from the Subcontinent.
People like you are the only reason anyone even listens to them. Ignorance and intolerance feeds off itself.
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I completely disgree but why i am not accepted as British by White British people themselves? I was born here, grew up here and will probally live gher for the rest of my life.
Is it because im not White?, is it because my parents came from Pakistan as immigrants? Is it because im a Muslim.
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The whole concept of nationalism and/or ethnicity/religion as a means of self-identity is idiotic.
Like, I'll salute the American flag and do the pledge when prompted, but I don't think of America as part of me so much as the country that I happened to be born in and to which I'm a citizen.
It doesn't say anything more about me than that.
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to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
That will never happen.
BNP/EDL will never get voted into power and i do feel sorry for the stupid people who support them (Lil B) but you just mention mass South Asian immigration which i do fully support BTW
What about the rising ethnic minorities in the UK?
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So, when the Taliban first took power, it was like OV said, they had massive penalties for anyone involved in opium or marijuana cultivation. It was actually quite effective, but the Taliban didn't control all of Afghanistan, and many of the warlords we now call the "Northern Alliance" were happy to smuggle it out. It generally goes north through the "stans" in central asia, and eventually into Iran, through the Caucuses and into Europe. One of the consequences of this is a huge increase in the use of heroin in Iran.
I can't imagine alcohol had "more" severe penalties than did other drugs, as people would be boiled alive for trafficking drugs by the Taliban, but it is most likely that they had no ideological distinction between alcohol and other substances.
Both marijuana and opium trafficking are now allowed by the Taliban, as they are massive cash crops, however, it is unlikely that alcohol would be as lucrative if it were "decriminalized". I can't imagine the scripture against it would be a huge determinant of their policy if money could be made from producing or selling alcohol, scripture tends to be malleable.
though, Egypt is one of the strongest supporters of political Pan-Arabism.
this may be strong evidence against the theory that bilingualism has cognitive benefits.
Interesting, thanks. I am not so well informed about this at all, however I think it does demonstrate that in the end, it's all about the money even for 'pious' fundamentalists such as Taliban.
Yeah it is. Very much so. This is one of the many things that puzzle me about Egypt and Egyptians. I would attribute this to Copts distancing themselves more and more from 'Arabism.
It is as puzzling as the Iranian undying, unwavering hardcore support of the Palestinians. More so than many other 'Arab' countries.
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You ARE British, just as I, if I married a Sheikh, would be an Emarati. I would however never be an ethnic Arab, as I'm not from the Arabian Peninsula.
Equally, by calling yourself British you don't magically turn into an Anglo-Saxon.
You refuse to be British and be called British, but that's another matter.
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Pan-Arabism and/or Pan-Islamism benefits Middle Eastern nations and groups when faced with external threats like the United States or Israel but it's really not all that strong a connection. Especially since just about every Pan-Arab or Pan-Islamic nation or group thinks it should be in charge of the movement.
Saudi Arabia only concedes Pan-Arabism's mantle to Egypt because it's more concerned with Wahhabiism (sp?) and Qadaffi gave up trying to be the leader of Arabs when he realized that he was a small fish in that pond but a big, rich fish in the Pan-African pond.
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to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
Yes, I think this is about right. The sad thing, though, is that Arabs and 'Arabs' don't like each other. The only thing that links them in this is Islam and they can't always agree on that either.
They believe that Caliphate will magically make all their problems go away, but it really will not, nor will it work. We will see...
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