Perhaps you should let someone else handle this. Your doing a very poor job. Vader's line's in ESB has nothing to do with whether or not Sidious being the most powerful comes from Vader's opinion or not.
I can see why Pwned would think the statement is out-of-universe. It does seem like the author has his mind made up about Sidious being the most powerful sith.
For example, if you read "Bob was a foreign exchange student in Africa. There, he stayed with a very welcoming family and became best friends with one of the sons. At night Bob imagined what it would be like to take his best friends place and grow up in a black family."Wouldn't you automatically assume that the family was black? Or would you assume that it's only in Bob's imagination that they were black?
It's easy to get confused.
Also, I find it silly that you feel the need to insult others when you can't even form an opinion on your own. You need SM's approval. I think it's them who should be laughing at you.
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I hoped that at expense of hating me you would learn your lesson and start treating other people normal way. Yet, you not only continued insulting people but, also, got me involved.
We had mutual rant, fine. I forgot, forgave and continued posting on forum like nothing happened. Is it really that hard for you to do the same?
None. But I don't see how newer canon can overwrite older in this case because both TOR and Bane stuff happened in completely different older time era. Canon statements about Palpatine being the most powerful cover all the Sith of the past, no matter how many new characters are created. Even ancient Sith recognized him as the greatest and the strongest.
It can be overwritten only by creating more powerful Sith, which lived after Palpatine.
In any case, to me it doesn't really matter. Other powerful Sith had their own advantages and uniqueness. I never say that one powerful Sith can stomp another because all of them have enormous feats and what we give more weight depends utterly on who we favor more.
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Statements made before the creation of characters with power that seriously questions Palpatine's status as the most powerful lose weight when such characters are introduced.
As will the opinion that Palpatine is more powerful than them despite older material being overridden.
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It's never said to be overridden. We only assume it has been overridden. There hasn't been a single statement which said Vitiate, Bane, or Nihilus were indeed the most powerful ever, while on the other hand various sources, even if considered fallible, have stated this. Why would they do this? Why would writers write such things if they didn't believe it themselves? It makes no sense.
"Yeah, all those characters thought Sidious was the most powerful, but really, he wasn't"... It's not logical.
Even if it was Vader's opinion and not the author's, why would the author let us know Vader believes Sidious' to be the most powerful ever if he wasn't? Why would they make many characters think he was the most powerful if he wasn't?
IMO, they are suggesting that he is (if not stating it themselves) by making characters think that he was and by writing it in the New Essential Chronology. I mean, this is a credible chronology, created by the historical council of a galactic organization that had access to nearly unlimited resources... It's far from being an unsubstantiated or a baseless claim made by a fallible individual.
Why would they do this if it wasn't true? To make us think he was the most powerful and then go, "GOTCHA! He's really not"?
I seriously doubt it.
But that's just my opinion, anyway.
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I don't get what material was overridden? TOR and Bane were put into unknown past of the EU without affecting older material with later era events in any way.
A.) An official chronology designed within the universe is about as useful and trustworthy as any other character's opinion.
B.) An official chronology designed outside the universe is as subject to being overridden as any piece of source material.
C.) No official at LucasArts gives as much of a rat's ass about canon as any of us. They'll change, add, subtract and f*ck up whatever they wish in order to piece together something 'cool' that will sell.
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But it's really not about as useful and trustworthy as any other character's opinion. It depends on who makes the opinion.
Other than that, I know a chronology designed outside the universe can be overridden, but since all of those characters who I believe can defeat different versions of Sidious (Bane, Vitiate, and Nihilus) came before Sidious, it doesn't really matter. It'd be overridden if they came after. That's why, thanks to their feats, we can only assume they'd be able to defeat Sidious and assume they are just as powerful.
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This is reaching, bro. Why would the makers of KotOR write it so that people thought Revan was dead, if he wasn't? Basically, lines about Sidious coming from Vader tell us more about Vader than they do Sidious. I see a character utterly cowed, awestruck by the only person "on his side."
But that's only Vader, the New Essential Chronology is a lot different.
Anyway, that's why I said it's only my opinion. Nothing can really be done or argued in favour of Sidious without truly infallible evidence, I know that.
Nah I was reffering to the film which i thought was pretty bad (just really boring and theatrical). I also didnt like Balderunenr and thought Prometheus was way better than it and Aliens.
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