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Arhael
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Dooku pulled an elaborated escape plan off, or he would have been cut into pieces sooner or later. The very same faith would await Sidious, if he where to face Yoda on equal ground.

At least in film Yoda's and Dooku's fight is pretty even. Both script and book, if I remember correctly, confirm that Dooku got tired and slowed down. And Yoda failed to outskill or outspeed even tired Dooku. I don't see how Yoda can wear out Sidious, who has much greater Force reserves than Dooku.

Also, unlike Dooku, Sidious is confirmed to be level 9 combatant like Yoda, which means that the outcome of their fight will be based on circumstances and plain luck. So you have no basis to claim that Sidious would be sooner or later cut into pieces on even ground.

On contrary I have the basis to claim that Sidious is more likely to win on even ground:

"He's better than Yoda in a way because he has the extra power of the dark side," Gillard explains. "His character is so shrouded that his fighting style should be shrouded as well. The Emperor is deadly dangerous."- Nick Gillard

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They are both fighting on a confined space. That one of them either choses or is forced to fight on less of that space than his opponent is irrelevant to that fact. Sidious could have utilized the sides of the podium, just as Yoda did. But either he didn't want to do so, because the advantages the middles position offered to him. Or he was forced to stay in that middle position, because Yoda was the superior fighter.


You don't take into account their size difference. Yoda is much smaller, so for him the same platform offers more space.

Moreover, Yoda is plainly far more agile, which gives him far more options on confined/uneven space. Other characters clearly can't jump around the way Yoda does. Anakin tried, lost all his limbs as result.

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At least in film Yoda's and Dooku's fight is pretty even. Both script and book, if I remember correctly, confirm that Dooku got tired and slowed down. And Yoda failed to outskill or outspeed even tired Dooku. I don't see how Yoda can wear out Sidious, who has much greater Force reserves than Dooku.


I really don't get how you reach your conclusions from the stuff you're posting. So, Dooku gets tired, slows down and then runs for it. Yet, somehow, that does translate into "being pretty even" compared to Yoda? I can just wonder how that leap in your logic works. Because, to me, if one of two opponents tires, slows down and finally runs away, that is a clear indicator of being the inferior one.

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Also, unlike Dooku, Sidious is confirmed to be level 9 combatant like Yoda, which means that the outcome of their fight will be based on circumstances and plain luck. So you have no basis to claim that Sidious would be sooner or later cut into pieces on even ground.


Unfortunatelly for you, Nick Gillards personal opinion is nothing to base an argument on. So you can just erase the idea of "levels" to put the combatants on.

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On contrary I have the basis to claim that Sidious is more likely to win on even ground:

"He's better than Yoda in a way because he has the extra power of the dark side," Gillard explains. "His character is so shrouded that his fighting style should be shrouded as well. The Emperor is deadly dangerous."- Nick Gillard


Nice. But the rule applies: Nick Gillard's personal thoughts on the issue are entirely irrelevant. They aren't canon. They aren't part of the source material as its defined. They are just some additional information for Star Wars fans that may or may not be correct. Hell. Gillard is the same guy who denied the existance of lightsaber forms and - specifically - Vaapad in the first place. So citing him, is about as conclusive as citing the thoughts of your mom on the issue.

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You don't take into account their size difference. Yoda is much smaller, so for him the same platform offers more space.


Does the size of Yoda somehow influence the size of the podium? No. So does Yoda have "more space to manouver"? No. Sidious could very well jump around on the side of the podium, swinging his lightsaber from side to side. But, meanwhile, Yoda could just go and have a drink, because their is no way, that Sidious could hit Yoda with a lightsaber, if the Sith Lord was standing on the side of the podium with the Jedi Master in the middle.

That the same guy who can perform massive leaps pretty much on the spot to evade hits from Maul/Opress in the Clone Wars should be hampered by "confined space" on the podium is a pretty ridiculous theory.

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Moreover, Yoda is plainly far more agile, which gives him far more options on confined/uneven space. Other characters clearly can't jump around the way Yoda does. Anakin tried, lost all his limbs as result.


So a higher agility and manouverability is an advantage for stunts in confined space but doesn't influence Yoda's lightsaber skill in comparison to Sidious. I'd say a higher agility / manouverability would count as advantage in the fighting department. Apparently, you see that differently.


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That sounds reasonable. Let me try.

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DarthAnt66
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
50/50 shot at 4


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He thought 4 was Sidious.

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stfu


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Geistalt
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Dies at 6 for certain.

Probably gets driven away from 5 (or at least fights him to a standstill / 'til one of them slips up due to fatigue).


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Falls at 5 or 6.


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Dies to RotS Palpatine


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stops at 5 in a great fight

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Azronger
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I've a question for the veterans out there 'cause I'm curious: In the golden age of Star Wars debating, did every thread yield 30 pages of discussion, or is this just an exception?


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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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As a historian of the olden days of great debating: generally speaking, yes. When the forum first started, the general quality was ****ing awful, with but a couple shining lights. Then users like Lightsnake, Gideon, Janus, Faunus, Nai, Lord Lucien, HeWhoKnowsAll, Neph, SIDIOUS66, LeG, (LeG I value because he works hard and sparks responses/discussion, and Neph is extremely underrated these days, I remember when I first got on kmc I thought he nearly rivaled Temp, and there was viable evidence for that,) etc. joined and made for some intellectually juicy arguments, with some great snarky wit in the process. Since they've gotten older and more lethargic, users like myself, Ant, NewGuy, and DMB tried to carry the torch along with the other new blood. Suffice it to say, we now follow their lead as far as lethargy is concerned in Star Wars content, though Ant and especially DMB remain incredibly hard-working, and you are also a nice addition to the forum. The SWTOR forums members were also solid additions, though AP and Beni are the only ones who still churn out quality posts. Nova is sort of stuck in the rut I was where it almost seems like he says the same things every single day, (bless his persistence, a trait I never had with Star Wars). DC is essentially the black version of me, and for that I love him. smile

That said, Carthage I love you too, but you legitimately destroyed KMC. I need to make a thread about this for those who don't know, Don't I? smile


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Beniboybling
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I love how 2013 is now the olden days kek.


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Well, I was referring to like 2004-2005.


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Azronger
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Thank you for the detailed response. smile

Makes me kinda sad, though, when I look at threads nowadays and compare them to the older ones. sad


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Ah.

Then he defeats HoT with difficulty.

#throwbacktuesday


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Dies to RotS Palpatine


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^ Except he didn't.

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