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Supergirl. Wonder Woman. And the Usual Suspects. Heralds of the Luciferian Age?
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Originally posted by Digi
Ask yourself what the motivation is for a DC exec to make Superman the anti-christ? What motivation, despite decades of interviews and stories that portray him as a good character, and writers specifically trying to tap into the positive potential of the Superman mythos?

Second, execs control direction, but not individual stories. What is the motivation for Joe Writer, doing his 9-to-5 and attempting to make a living for his family writing Superman stories? What's his motivation for making the DC mythos Satanic? Are writers instructed to do this? Where's the evidence of it? What's the monetary benefit of trying to make a secular comic company a herald of satanism? How does this trend stay alive as writers, directors, etc. leave the company? How do they convince each movie director, each writer, to portray this, even as the entire company overhauls itself and its staff over time (turnover rates at comic companies are ridiculous)? What's the endgame? And why has no one ever talked about this who has worked on a DC book?

And if you're going to contradict yourself and say that you don't think Superman is Satanic, why did you post the article saying exactly that in your OP?

Provide plausible answers to those and I will start to take your argument seriously.



Let's get a little more serious, then.

Digi, you seem to be under the impression that central planning is required to make a thing work. Or even conscious participation from the majority of its participating members. In many cases, this is not so, nor do you really believe that it is.

Evolution should be an easy enough proof for you that you don't.
You reject the "central planning" theory that "God did it" in favor of, well,
fill-in-the-blank.

Another easy enough proof for you? How about "The Invisible Hand of Economics"? Is there nearly the degree of central planning involved in feeding the populace of the world everyday that the student who has NOT had macroecon might otherwise think?

Some things, aided by people's natural thinking and behavior, effectively shape themselves.

And, again, we are talking the language of symbols. You don't seem to BEGIN to recognize the power and influence they have.

Here, perhaps the following will make clearer to you and others that you DON'T need to be consciously following a program for it to affect you and the work you produce to the extent people might otherwise think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXe1CokWqQ

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The connection between Satan and empowerment via lightning occurs a lot in popular culture. The following, a rather disturbing short that seems to echo Satan as a Gnostic creation named Yaldabaoth, features this at the 2 minute 10 second mark:

(again, be warned, this one has proven a little unsettling for some people)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes
(The Mysterious Stranger, Mark Twain, Claymation)


... this more familiar cartoon clip features it around the 30 second mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeA7a0uS3A
(Masters of the Universe Opening Theme, He-Man, Filmation)

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The format of a KMC thread doesn't readily betray the passage of time.
Here is what was presented last night:


1. Lucifer. Origin of the word. Isaiah 14:12

2. Characteristics of Lucifer, according TO the source of the word "Lucifer".

3. Luciferianism versus Satanism

4. Lucifer as Angel of Light and Prince of the power of the air. Light, sun, and lightning.

5. Prevalence of lightning symbolism in the occult, Rock, Heavy metal, etc.

6. Representation of lightning that even the secular world knows --
the Nazi SS or Schutzstaffel (Runic insignia of the Schutzstaffel).



... and this morning I've covered up now to #7.


Digi, I would very much appreciate knowing if you still have editing ability.
This thread could use some condensation at a later point.

For now, going on the assumption that you cannot, I will avoid posting any direct links to more controversial visual subject matter.
I'm referring now to the results Google Imaging "satan, lightning", and "ss, lightning" would yield, of course.

They are vital to understanding the form this takes in the comics and media; anyone unwilling to Google that much for the sake of understanding this portion of the thread should probably quit reading, but I'll avoid posting them until I get some feedback from you.


7. Lightning symbolism and empowerment in popular culture.

He-Man. Captain Marvel. Mary Marvel. Freddy Marvel.
Shazam. Black Adam. Black Mary Marvel. Captain Nazi.
(JLA Axis deserves a special mention.)
And recall now that the original was Captain Marvel, brainwashed.
Silver Age source of power for The Flash.
Design for the so-called "Crest of El" shield of Supergirl as drawn by Cinar.


I italicized He-Man because that will be the visual focus for this particular post.
Think I might drop this format immediately AFTER this post, and just present images concerning the characters listed.

Earlier I showed the opening scene of Masters of the Universe via YouTube.
The following images are screen captures.

Note that He-Man, a cartoon that has engendered more than one charge that it promotes the occult, has echoes of 1940s Germany symbolism.

To get a clearer idea of what I mean, Google "SS cross rune". Then examine the following.

Please note, in advance, that I am NOT necessarily saying He-Man, blond-haired blue-eyed Aryan "UberMensch" though he might resemble, is any form of Nazi propoganda.

I am saying rather that there is quite a bit of symbolism present in He-Man, and Nazi ideology, and DC's (originally Fawcett's) "Shazam" line, and many of DC's other characters that echo unmistakeably the "Satan ... lightning" reference touched on before and everything surrounding it.




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http://oi39.tinypic.com/34imra0.jpg

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The S stands for Satan, I take it?


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I always thought that the Galactus - Surfer relationship had shades of the mainstream Christian God - Satan relationship.

More so if you take Kirby's words literally and see Galactus as The Biblical God.

Surfer rebels against his creator, is cast down, lives amongst man and turned Alicia Masters from the straight and narrow path! yes


As for the term "Judeo-Christian", isn't that, at the very least, somewhat a contradiction in terms. Judaism awaits its Messiah, disregards Jesus (at the very least, worse still if you read the talmudic commentaries on him) and sees itself as having an exclusive and elevated relationship with the One True Greybeard.

Christianity is a rejection of that exclusive connection, an expansion of the franchise (and, from an outsider's point of view, a simplification too).

Regardless, it seems obvious that the Superman-as-Jesus thing had to eventually end, for the sake of commercial and cultural relevance if not anything more subversive.

People, in large numbers, no longer take these stories as all that sacred or meaningful, so the power of those symbolic relationships wane too.

This all seems a little too forced.


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Originally posted by janus77
I always thought that the Galactus - Surfer relationship had shades of the mainstream Christian God - Satan relationship.

More so if you take Kirby's words literally and see Galactus as The Biblical God.

Surfer rebels against his creator, is cast down, lives amongst man and turned Alicia Masters from the straight and narrow path! yes


Minus the Alicia Masters part, I can't tell if you're fully joking.
I HAVE actually read somewhere that Kirby said something like that.

Moreover, what you're saying, though it might be heretical to Christianity, is actually perfectly inline with what Gnostics believe, which is that the God of the Old Testament is actually a demonic half-deity named Yaldabaoth, and that the serpent, Satan, is actually the enlightener and true teacher of Man.

Not coincidentally, this is, from what I've read, what Luciferians also believe.

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Originally posted by janus77

As for the term "Judeo-Christian", isn't that, at the very least, somewhat a contradiction in terms? Judaism awaits its Messiah, disregards Jesus (at the very least, worse still if you read the talmudic commentaries on him) and sees itself as having an exclusive and elevated relationship with the One True Greybeard.

Christianity is a rejection of that exclusive connection, an expansion of the franchise (and, from an outsider's point of view, a simplification too).


Christianity is based upon Judaism, though.
It did not come into existence on its own.
And the idea of Lucifer comes from Judaic writings.


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Originally posted by janus77

Regardless, it seems obvious that the Superman-as-Jesus thing had to eventually end, for the sake of commercial and cultural relevance if not anything more subversive.


Superman-as-Jesus has ended? confused
Have you SEEN the most recent Superman film, Man of Steel?



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Originally posted by janus77

People, in large numbers, no longer take these stories as all that sacred or meaningful, so the power of those symbolic relationships wane too.

This all seems a little too forced.


I haven't shown the bulk of visual material that inspired me to post this thread and ask the title question.
Answer for me, though, honestly, have you examined most of the things I've posted here yet? I wouldn't think most people had based on the simple fact that I posted URLs instead of blue links. Part of the reason I did that was because I knew editing would be required and links posted as links here on KMC are automatically "contracted", so they won't neatly copy and paste like they would elsewhere. I'm also waiting for Digi to get back to me and tell me whether or not the simple Google Image search results (for "satan, lightning" and "ss, lightning", etcetera) are erasable by him in case someone thinks they are too incendiary for this forum.

As for people no longer taking these stories sacredly or meaningfully, I agree.
In fact, I would argue that most people in America, unlike several decades ago, are not even able to recognize that these stories ARE being symbolized, for they don't KNOW any of the stories anymore.

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http://oi41.tinypic.com/de5mr5.jpg
electric blue superman

http://oi43.tinypic.com/30lm0jt.jpg
captain marvel excises a rock of eternity spirit

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1zlvggj.jpg
serpent coil appearing during adora's she-ra tranformation

http://oi40.tinypic.com/295ejbm.jpg
black adam, freddy marvel, or captain marvel?

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2cynqdz.jpg
billy batson held by black adam, dcnu

http://oi39.tinypic.com/o6h35x.jpg
alex ross style print. of black adam, mary marvel and isis. with magical green lightning coiling serpent-like around mary ...

http://oi39.tinypic.com/mrfk11.jpg
she-ra transformation sequence. notice not only the energy snake coiling around the top of her blade, but the skull imagery, darkness enveloping her even as the light shines around, and the circle of eternity forming

http://oi44.tinypic.com/33f7z3o.jpg
live action shot of captain marvel, isis, and black adam. cool to look at, but underscores the reality that the source for all 3 is essentially identical

http://oi42.tinypic.com/30tt6kh.jpg
Mary Marvel, flanked by Granny Goodness (and Eclipso?) Lightning empowerment.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2emojf7.jpg
black and white of Supergirl breaking steel chains. Cinar.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/vcqaz8.jpg
typhon versus marvel zeus

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1znmzo5.jpg
typhon gets a mountain dumped on him by marvel zeus. dualism.
note the insignia, however, on zeus belt buckle

http://oi44.tinypic.com/14v4efl.jpg
strife's arrival. the image of "satan falling like lightning" taken nearly as literally as possible. note that strife is not only trying to spread evil here, but, earlier, deceived the Amazons into killing one another by the score

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14104d4.jpg
the 3 classes of and representatives of lightning imageried DC heroes. Captain Marvel, Electric Superman, and Flash. Note carefully some of the dialogue ...

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2je8n6x.jpg
electric blue Superman? McGuinness.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2nvf1jb.jpg
black adam. contrast with the image above

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2elbjhg.jpg
countdown teaser. note not only the lightning motif but the dialogue at the bottom, and the pose Lex Luthor has adopted

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2meei41.jpg
countdown #2 solicit and final covers. forerunner versus jla Axis.
note the lightning imagery and brightly illuminated background reflected by Batman's swatstika-rangs and the last word of the title itself ...

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Occult Lightning empowerment, Part 2

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14o9ajb.jpg
DCnu Shazam cornucopia. Note that Billy receives his power from the same source as beasts and villains like Sivana and Black Adam.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/nq8cjl.jpg
traditional God-looking figure supplies power to the Marvels ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2ccwff7.jpg
mighty isis. mighty adam. over the course of many years, evil characters become sympathetic ...

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30hqw6c.jpg
white garbed Mary Marvel beats down Captain Atom

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2q0k8lj.jpg
power equaled loss of control or possession for Mary in the Final Crisis era

http://oi43.tinypic.com/4l0om1.jpg
compare the fate of this DCnU Black Adam victim to those of the girls prophesying in Wonder Woman (v6) #1

http://oi39.tinypic.com/148pvgk.jpg
sometimes Shazam, sometimes other "gods" or "goddesses" supply ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/rst1fc.jpg
mary marvel. red outfit

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2mpk784.jpg
Talk about loaded. Baphomet Pentagram at Mary's feet, plus Lightning, AND Beast and Dragon and Demon imagery, all rolled into one.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/i5daue.jpg
Mary in this outfit is essentially a black costumed witch

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2rzsx9k.jpg
Mary, once more in her early days, empowered directly by Pantheon figures

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2dmbn6o.jpg
possession. directly stated

http://oi42.tinypic.com/27xkr2w.jpg
Mary in Countdown to Final Crisis

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2qimjok.jpg
Mary Marvel, Isis, Black Adam, and Captain Marvel.
The Isis/Semiramis deity has a fairly prominent place in certain fields outside comics. As for Adam, well, he already looks like a Dracula figure ...

http://oi44.tinypic.com/11ah6jk.jpg
Black Mary versus Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy

http://oi39.tinypic.com/21ltqvk.jpg
Black Mary Marvel and DCnU Supergirl as drawn by Cinar.
In many ways these are mirror characters, even as some believe Mary inspired Kara's original real-world creation many years ago.

But Kara's a REAL special case ...

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Seemed like I posted a lot of links today; got curious as to how many URLs I'd posted total. Figured it be somewhere around 40.

Actually, I was somewhat surprised to discover I've posted 98 URLs since the beginning of this thread.
Didn't realize it. Precisely BECAUSE they are URLs and not links.
Looks like a wall of text as compared to my goal of being an organized place people can go to for information and meat for discussion, I imagine.
Would explain why there's so much confusion.

Since Digi doesn't seem to be around, and I'm not sure if he could help me edit anything even if he were, I'll simply designate this page, or at least this portion of this particular page, as my editing page.
I'll list what I've got in plain text format, so everything is available at a glance.
(There's a character limit per post, so I'll have to split this up into two or three posts, though.)
Then I'll allow the "parse URLs" box to go unmolested.
That way people will be able not only to click where they want to go, it'll be blue so they can see that there are links in this thread to begin with.

This is already post 8 or some such because I took the time to answer Janus.
I'll begin outlining so that the next page can give an organized summary with supporting links, so that everything after this page can be as concise and clear and read-able as possible.

(That's the PLAN at least ...)

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http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/superman-satan
(opening article. Superman as antiChrist.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14564997
(Supergirl in Man of Steel movie style outfit. Serpentine Supergirl)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567120
(Marlon Brando S Shield)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlL2Jj-kCNU
(Noam Chomsky on the vital role of concision in the American Media)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567236
(10 cinar kryptonite nevermore supergirl strong chainbreak)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567261
(60 showcase superwoman comes to help)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567545
(10 one reason for the title)

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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567588
(superman returns. christ crucified allusion)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567682
(snakeskin image entry. google. christmas eve day 2013. bottom right corner ...)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567695
10 henry cavill. man of steel costume is blue snakeskin outfit)


This thread is naturally beginning to form some thematic groupings.

3 so far:


1. Snake Imagery
2. (Anti)Christ Imagery
3. Masonic Imagery


There are enough images for an honest poster like Iopy to have food for thought, I think. Here are the URLs for those:


Snake Imagery


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567120

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567261

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14564997

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567682

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567682

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567695

------------------------------------------------- separate concept grouping


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567766
(superman family 174. supergirl villainesses. #5 is the truly interesting one ...)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567925
(countdownthirteen pagetwo supermanboy prime. described as ... the beast.)


-------------------------------------------------- separate concept


http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/winter2009/hirsch.pdf





http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14567766
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14570573
(satan girl secret revealed. adventure comics #409)


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http://www.oldredjalopy.com/musings-on-man-of-steel/
(reviewer calling Zod killing scene in Man of Steel an execution)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14572835
(10 superman. vol 2. #22. john byrne. phantom zone criminals. execution.)



http://indigosociety.com/showthread.php?56798-The-Luciferian-Superman-Comic-Book-Connection
(thread that defines "Luciferian hero" the way Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible, apparently did)



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14573151
(little disconcerting to see this ... antimasonic ... coming up for my title in google hits)



Doctrines of Luciferian Gnosticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_OZtVxNQtc
7 min 15 sec


Luciferianism VS Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQjQBqOz38
9 min 59 sec


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14574430
(10 apollo. apollyon. dcnu ... about to murder 3 women.)


http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/component/content/article/1-jwo/379-apollyon-bible-study.html


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14574437
(10 supergirl 74. dark angel in command of locusts destroys bizarrosatangirl. padapollyon)
Source of scan: Supergirl #74
Writer: Peter A. David
Circa: 2002


-------------------------------------------similar appearing character, ancient role
first was Apollo, Destroyer via locusts
this one is Apollo, sun of a King aka the sun god, aka Lucifer, son of the morning

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9si93.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/j7f792.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/sesgvb.jpg
http://oi43.tinypic.com/1e5lya.jpg
Source: Wonder Woman #1, Volume 5

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Bible summary, from Christianity's perspective:


God created Man.
God loved and loves Man.
Man, intended to have a long-lasting relationship with God,
is given dominion over the Earth.

Lucifer deceives Man into taking action that, ultimately, will prove fatal for the whole line of Man.

Through procreation, mankind manages to survive, even though individual men do not. Death reigns continually now, but so does life.

Lucifer sets out to destroy the surviving descendants.
Lucifer has enormous power, perhaps enough to destroy the entirety of mankind outright. But he is not permitted to do so.
God prevents it.

However, in the pattern of "The King is dead, long live the King", Lucifer, having effectively wrested Adam's birthright from him, becomes ruler of the world.

God enacts a plan to reconcile mankind to Himself.

Lucifer tries to thwart this plan, still having the eventual goal of mankind's complete annihilation.



Lucifer continues to manifest in various guises, even as he did once before, sometimes receiving praise and worship from man,
alternately harassing him with plagues and calamity.


At some point, in heaven itself, there is direct battle.

Lucifer and the forces arrayed with him are defeated.
Once a son of God, and perhaps the pinnacle of creation,
Lucifer is cast down like lightning from heaven, and largely or wholly confined to Earth.

Knowing he has a relatively short time, Lucifer redoubles his efforts to deceive as many people as he can.
Lucifer even uses counterfeit "Christ" figures, whom he empowers supernaturally. The AntiChrist or "Beast" is one of these.
At the same time, Lucifer manifests more and more as Dragon or Destroyer.


Eventually a point is reached where the direct intervention of God Himself occurs.
Lucifer and all those who have allied with him, despite the apparent power many think they wield at present, are finally defeated.

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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14574879
(for tomorrow.father daniel leone. believe in me antichrist opening scene. superman210v2)


(Anti)Christ Imagery


Donna Troy in "The Beast has come" scan of Countdown #13.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/opzs6g.jpg

Father Leone. Antichrist Scene. Beginning of Superman #210v2.
"For Tomorrow". Brian Azarrello
http://oi40.tinypic.com/290ztzp.jpg

Man of Steel. Watery Crucifix Pose. After saving oil rig workers.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/1z68fw9.jpg

Man of Steel. Costumed Crucifix Pose in space.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/judf9h.jpg

Superman Returns. Crucifix Pose. After Kisland release.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/dnejr8.jpg




http://www.comicvine.com/articles/off-my-mind-what-happened-to-superman-big-bardas-s/1100-144019/



how does the secular world define "Luciferian" ... ?
Like so:
---------------------------------
(from Merriam Webster dotcom)

Luciferian


of, relating to, or worthy of an evil spirit <the movie's villain wore a Luciferian expression of supreme confidence>
Synonyms cacodemonic, demoniac (also demoniacal), demonian, demonic (also demonical), devilish, diabolical (or diabolic), Luciferian, satanic
Related Words hellish, infernal; baleful, evil, sinister; malevolent, malicious, malignant; heinous, monstrous; black, immoral, iniquitous, nefarious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked; barbarous, cruel, ferocious, inhuman, savage
Near Antonyms celestial, heavenly; beneficent, benevolent, benign, benignant; godly, holy, sainted, saintly; ethical, good, moral, righteous, virtuous
Antonyms angelic (or angelical)

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/luciferian




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1. Lucifer. Origin of the word. Isaiah 14:12
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014&version=AKJV


Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28-30
Ezekiel 28

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2011&version=KJV
2 Corinthians 11

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=AKJV
Matthew 24:24

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%205&version=AKJV
1 John 5

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204&version=AKJV
Matthew 4

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2010&version=AKJV
***Luke 10***
(Satan falling as lightning from heaven)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20corinthians%204&version=AKJV
2 Corinthians 4

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%209&version=AKJV
Revelation 9

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013
Revelation 13

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44-45&version=AKJV
John 8:44-45

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=AKJV
Revelation 12
(serpent, satan, dragon, Lucifer, all names of the devil, who deceiveth the whole world)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_%28rune%29


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14582175
(jla axis. lightning imagery abounds.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14582252
(black adam in shadow with glowing shirt. Alex Ross style)

-------------------------------------------- page 4 completed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXe1CokWqQ
Derren Brown Advertising Agency Task
6 min 47 sec
(power of symbols, even those flashed for just a second unbeknownst to a person)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes
(The Mysterious Stranger, Mark Twain, Claymation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeA7a0uS3A
(Masters of the Universe Opening Theme, He-Man, Filmation)


http://oi42.tinypic.com/2nlu8va.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ilhf6x.jpg
http://oi39.tinypic.com/34imra0.jpg
(He-Man transformation)



http://oi41.tinypic.com/de5mr5.jpg
electric blue superman

http://oi43.tinypic.com/30lm0jt.jpg
captain marvel excises a rock of eternity spirit

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1zlvggj.jpg
serpent coil appearing during adora's she-ra tranformation

http://oi40.tinypic.com/295ejbm.jpg
black adam, freddy marvel, or captain marvel?

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2cynqdz.jpg
billy batson held by black adam, dcnu

http://oi39.tinypic.com/o6h35x.jpg
alex ross style print. of black adam, mary marvel and isis. with magical green lightning coiling serpent-like around mary ...

http://oi39.tinypic.com/mrfk11.jpg
she-ra transformation sequence. notice not only the energy snake coiling around the top of her blade, but the skull imagery, darkness enveloping her even as the light shines around, and the circle of eternity forming

http://oi44.tinypic.com/33f7z3o.jpg
live action shot of captain marvel, isis, and black adam. cool to look at, but underscores the reality that the source for all 3 is essentially identical

http://oi42.tinypic.com/30tt6kh.jpg
Mary Marvel, flanked by Granny Goodness (and Eclipso?) Lightning empowerment.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2emojf7.jpg
black and white of Supergirl breaking steel chains. Cinar.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/vcqaz8.jpg
typhon versus marvel zeus

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1znmzo5.jpg
typhon gets a mountain dumped on him by marvel zeus. dualism.
note the insignia, however, on zeus belt buckle

http://oi44.tinypic.com/14v4efl.jpg
strife's arrival. the image of "satan falling like lightning" taken nearly as literally as possible. note that strife is not only trying to spread evil here, but, earlier, deceived the Amazons into killing one another by the score

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14104d4.jpg
the 3 classes of and representatives of lightning imageried DC heroes. Captain Marvel, Electric Superman, and Flash. Note carefully some of the dialogue ...

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2je8n6x.jpg
electric blue Superman? McGuinness.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2nvf1jb.jpg
black adam. contrast with the image above

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2elbjhg.jpg
countdown teaser. note not only the lightning motif but the dialogue at the bottom, and the pose Lex Luthor has adopted

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2meei41.jpg
countdown #2 solicit and final covers. forerunner versus jla Axis.
note the lightning imagery and brightly illuminated background reflected by Batman's swastika-rangs and the last word of the title itself ...



Occult Lightning empowerment, Part 2

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14o9ajb.jpg
DCnu Shazam cornucopia. Note that Billy receives his power from the same source as beasts and villains like Sivana and Black Adam.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/nq8cjl.jpg
traditional God-looking figure supplies power to the Marvels ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2ccwff7.jpg
mighty isis. mighty adam. over the course of many years, evil characters become sympathetic ...

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30hqw6c.jpg
white garbed Mary Marvel beats down Captain Atom

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2q0k8lj.jpg
power equaled loss of control or possession for Mary in the Final Crisis era

http://oi43.tinypic.com/4l0om1.jpg
compare the fate of this DCnU Black Adam victim to those of the girls prophesying in Wonder Woman (v6) #1

http://oi39.tinypic.com/148pvgk.jpg
sometimes Shazam, sometimes other "gods" or "goddesses" supply ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/rst1fc.jpg
mary marvel. red outfit

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2mpk784.jpg
Talk about loaded. Baphomet Pentagram at Mary's feet, plus Lightning, AND Beast and Dragon and Demon imagery, all rolled into one.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/i5daue.jpg
Mary in this outfit is essentially a black costumed witch

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2rzsx9k.jpg
Mary, once more in her early days, empowered directly by Pantheon figures

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2dmbn6o.jpg
possession. directly stated

http://oi42.tinypic.com/27xkr2w.jpg
Mary in Countdown to Final Crisis

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2qimjok.jpg
Mary Marvel, Isis, Black Adam, and Captain Marvel.
The Isis/Semiramis deity has a fairly prominent place in certain fields outside comics. As for Adam, well, he already looks like a Dracula figure ...

http://oi44.tinypic.com/11ah6jk.jpg
Black Mary versus Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy

http://oi39.tinypic.com/21ltqvk.jpg
Black Mary Marvel and DCnU Supergirl as drawn by Cinar.
In many ways these are mirror characters, even as some believe Mary inspired Kara's original real-world creation many years ago.

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Alright.

With everything produced to this point now in plain text above ...


http://www.supermanhomepage.com/com.../superman-satan
(opening article. Superman as antiChrist.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14564997
(Supergirl in Man of Steel movie style outfit. Serpentine Supergirl)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567120
(Marlon Brando S Shield)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlL2Jj-kCNU
(Noam Chomsky on the vital role of concision in the American Media)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567236
(10 cinar kryptonite nevermore supergirl strong chainbreak)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567261
(60 showcase superwoman comes to help)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567545
(10 one reason for the title)

------------------------------------- page 1 completed.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567588
(superman returns. christ crucified allusion)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567682
(snakeskin image entry. google. christmas eve day 2013. bottom right corner ...)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567695
10 henry cavill. man of steel costume is blue snakeskin outfit)


This thread is naturally beginning to form some thematic groupings.

3 so far:


1. Snake Imagery
2. (Anti)Christ Imagery
3. Masonic Imagery


There are enough images for an honest poster like Iopy to have food for thought, I think. Here are the URLs for those:


Snake Imagery


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567120

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567261

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14564997

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567682

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567682

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567695

------------------------------------------------- separate concept grouping


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567766
(superman family 174. supergirl villainesses. #5 is the truly interesting one ...)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567925
(countdownthirteen pagetwo supermanboy prime. described as ... the beast.)


-------------------------------------------------- separate concept


http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americanedu...2009/hirsch.pdf





http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14567766
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14570573
(satan girl secret revealed. adventure comics #409)


--------------------------------------------------- page 2 completed.




http://www.oldredjalopy.com/musings-on-man-of-steel/
(reviewer calling Zod killing scene in Man of Steel an execution)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14572835
(10 superman. vol 2. #22. john byrne. phantom zone criminals. execution.)



http://indigosociety.com/showthread...Book-Connection
(thread that defines "Luciferian hero" the way Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible, apparently did)



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14573151
(little disconcerting to see this ... antimasonic ... coming up for my title in google hits)



Doctrines of Luciferian Gnosticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_OZtVxNQtc
7 min 15 sec


Luciferianism VS Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQjQBqOz38
9 min 59 sec


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14574430
(10 apollo. apollyon. dcnu ... about to murder 3 women.)


http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/compo...ible-study.html


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14574437
(10 supergirl 74. dark angel in command of locusts destroys bizarrosatangirl. padapollyon)
Source of scan: Supergirl #74
Writer: Peter A. David
Circa: 2002


-------------------------------------------similar appearing character, ancient role
first was Apollo, Destroyer via locusts
this one is Apollo, sun of a King aka the sun god, aka Lucifer, son of the morning

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9si93.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/j7f792.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/sesgvb.jpg
http://oi43.tinypic.com/1e5lya.jpg
Source: Wonder Woman #1, Volume 5

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Thread Link Condensation Post #2.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14574879
(for tomorrow.father daniel leone. believe in me antichrist opening scene. superman210v2)


(Anti)Christ Imagery


Donna Troy in "The Beast has come" scan of Countdown #13.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/opzs6g.jpg

Father Leone. Antichrist Scene. Beginning of Superman #210v2.
"For Tomorrow". Brian Azarrello
http://oi40.tinypic.com/290ztzp.jpg

Man of Steel. Watery Crucifix Pose. After saving oil rig workers.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/1z68fw9.jpg

Man of Steel. Costumed Crucifix Pose in space.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/judf9h.jpg

Superman Returns. Crucifix Pose. After Kisland release.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/dnejr8.jpg




http://www.comicvine.com/articles/o...-s/1100-144019/



how does the secular world define "Luciferian" ... ?
Like so:
---------------------------------
(from Merriam Webster dotcom)

Luciferian


of, relating to, or worthy of an evil spirit <the movie's villain wore a Luciferian expression of supreme confidence>
Synonyms cacodemonic, demoniac (also demoniacal), demonian, demonic (also demonical), devilish, diabolical (or diabolic), Luciferian, satanic
Related Words hellish, infernal; baleful, evil, sinister; malevolent, malicious, malignant; heinous, monstrous; black, immoral, iniquitous, nefarious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked; barbarous, cruel, ferocious, inhuman, savage
Near Antonyms celestial, heavenly; beneficent, benevolent, benign, benignant; godly, holy, sainted, saintly; ethical, good, moral, righteous, virtuous
Antonyms angelic (or angelical)

-----------------------------------
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/luciferian




------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Lucifer. Origin of the word. Isaiah 14:12
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV


Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...h=Ezekiel+28-30
Ezekiel 28

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...amp;version=KJV
2 Corinthians 11

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
Matthew 24:24

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
1 John 5

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
Matthew 4

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
***Luke 10***
(Satan falling as lightning from heaven)


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
2 Corinthians 4

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
Revelation 9

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...Revelation%2013
Revelation 13

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
John 8:44-45

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...mp;version=AKJV
Revelation 12
(serpent, satan, dragon, Lucifer, all names of the devil, who deceiveth the whole world)

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Thread Link Condensation Post. #3 of 3.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_%28rune%29


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14582175
(jla axis. lightning imagery abounds.)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...postid=14582252
(black adam in shadow with glowing shirt. Alex Ross style)

-------------------------------------------- page 4 completed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXe1CokWqQ
Derren Brown Advertising Agency Task
6 min 47 sec
(power of symbols, even those flashed for just a second unbeknownst to a person)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes
(The Mysterious Stranger, Mark Twain, Claymation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yeA7a0uS3A
(Masters of the Universe Opening Theme, He-Man, Filmation)


http://oi42.tinypic.com/2nlu8va.jpg
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ilhf6x.jpg
http://oi39.tinypic.com/34imra0.jpg
(He-Man transformation)



http://oi41.tinypic.com/de5mr5.jpg
electric blue superman

http://oi43.tinypic.com/30lm0jt.jpg
captain marvel excises a rock of eternity spirit

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1zlvggj.jpg
serpent coil appearing during adora's she-ra tranformation

http://oi40.tinypic.com/295ejbm.jpg
black adam, freddy marvel, or captain marvel?

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2cynqdz.jpg
billy batson held by black adam, dcnu

http://oi39.tinypic.com/o6h35x.jpg
alex ross style print. of black adam, mary marvel and isis. with magical green lightning coiling serpent-like around mary ...

http://oi39.tinypic.com/mrfk11.jpg
she-ra transformation sequence. notice not only the energy snake coiling around the top of her blade, but the skull imagery, darkness enveloping her even as the light shines around, and the circle of eternity forming

http://oi44.tinypic.com/33f7z3o.jpg
live action shot of captain marvel, isis, and black adam. cool to look at, but underscores the reality that the source for all 3 is essentially identical

http://oi42.tinypic.com/30tt6kh.jpg
Mary Marvel, flanked by Granny Goodness (and Eclipso?) Lightning empowerment.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2emojf7.jpg
black and white of Supergirl breaking steel chains. Cinar.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/vcqaz8.jpg
typhon versus marvel zeus

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1znmzo5.jpg
typhon gets a mountain dumped on him by marvel zeus. dualism.
note the insignia, however, on zeus belt buckle

http://oi44.tinypic.com/14v4efl.jpg
strife's arrival. the image of "satan falling like lightning" taken nearly as literally as possible. note that strife is not only trying to spread evil here, but, earlier, deceived the Amazons into killing one another by the score

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14104d4.jpg
the 3 classes of and representatives of lightning imageried DC heroes. Captain Marvel, Electric Superman, and Flash. Note carefully some of the dialogue ...

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2je8n6x.jpg
electric blue Superman? McGuinness.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2nvf1jb.jpg
black adam. contrast with the image above

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2elbjhg.jpg
countdown teaser. note not only the lightning motif but the dialogue at the bottom, and the pose Lex Luthor has adopted

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2meei41.jpg
countdown #2 solicit and final covers. forerunner versus jla Axis.
note the lightning imagery and brightly illuminated background reflected by Batman's swastika-rangs and the last word of the title itself ...



Occult Lightning empowerment, Part 2

http://oi40.tinypic.com/14o9ajb.jpg
DCnu Shazam cornucopia. Note that Billy receives his power from the same source as beasts and villains like Sivana and Black Adam.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/nq8cjl.jpg
traditional God-looking figure supplies power to the Marvels ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2ccwff7.jpg
mighty isis. mighty adam. over the course of many years, evil characters become sympathetic ...

http://oi40.tinypic.com/30hqw6c.jpg
white garbed Mary Marvel beats down Captain Atom

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2q0k8lj.jpg
power equaled loss of control or possession for Mary in the Final Crisis era

http://oi43.tinypic.com/4l0om1.jpg
compare the fate of this DCnU Black Adam victim to those of the girls prophesying in Wonder Woman (v6) #1

http://oi39.tinypic.com/148pvgk.jpg
sometimes Shazam, sometimes other "gods" or "goddesses" supply ...

http://oi42.tinypic.com/rst1fc.jpg
mary marvel. red outfit

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2mpk784.jpg
Talk about loaded. Baphomet Pentagram at Mary's feet, plus Lightning, AND Beast and Dragon and Demon imagery, all rolled into one.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/i5daue.jpg
Mary in this outfit is essentially a black costumed witch

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2rzsx9k.jpg
Mary, once more in her early days, empowered directly by Pantheon figures

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2dmbn6o.jpg
possession. directly stated

http://oi42.tinypic.com/27xkr2w.jpg
Mary in Countdown to Final Crisis

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2qimjok.jpg
Mary Marvel, Isis, Black Adam, and Captain Marvel.
The Isis/Semiramis deity has a fairly prominent place in certain fields outside comics. As for Adam, well, he already looks like a Dracula figure ...

http://oi44.tinypic.com/11ah6jk.jpg
Black Mary versus Kyle Rayner and Donna Troy

http://oi39.tinypic.com/21ltqvk.jpg
Black Mary Marvel and DCnU Supergirl as drawn by Cinar.
In many ways these are mirror characters, even as some believe Mary inspired Kara's original real-world creation many years ago.

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I'm debating whether to use the same technique I did in some of my earlier "Respect" Threads, which was to use periods to "blank" post to quickly exceed the 20 post per page limit of any particular KMC thread and "warp" to the next page.

Yet I also want to answer some of the questions posed earlier more fully and directly, and I want to see if the links I posted this week, especially the ones posted just a little while ago as full click-able images, helped clarify anything.


Perhaps a compromise might work.

"Period" the next post.

Then answer one question.

For that will allow a visual break.
And ready a page jump.
And answer a question.

But also allow people the chance to examine the sources that illustrate what I've been talking about tonight.

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Originally posted by Digi
Ask yourself what the motivation is for a DC exec to make Superman the anti-christ? What motivation, despite decades of interviews and stories that portray him as a good character, and writers specifically trying to tap into the positive potential of the Superman mythos?



Assuming the average DC writer or exec is secular, he would not likely have much familiarity with Christ himself, let alone any antiChrist, especially as that figure is described in a Judeo-Christian writing like the Bible.

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Alright, been more than a month now.

Time to update ...

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