Nope. I know theres a form that crappy but becomes great with high levels of mastery and that this is specifically said about it, I just can't recall if its Niman or Shii-Cho.
Hence it being 'ineffective' in efficiently acquiring skill?
Plus as you said the bladework isn't its main priority, and would be at a massive disadvantage against Makashi.
Both are not compatible with what we know about Exar Kun who defeats 600 year old battlemasters in lightsaber battles while a padawan and was obsessed with acquiring power as quickly as possible.
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I've read through the Lightsaber Combat entries in Jedi/Sith-Essential Guide, Jedi Path, Fightsaber, and TCW Encyclopedia, and didn't see that verbiage for either form.
An excerpt pulled from Juyo is the only thing that sounds remotely close to what you're recalling: "Only high-level masters of multiple forms can achieve and control this discipline, which can lead to fantastic power and skill."
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As was stated in multiple sources, before you acquaint yourself with Niman, you have already studied/mastered other forms of combat as well. No Jedi or Sith alive has only studied a single form--certainly Kun was no exception.
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Eh, I just remember Cin Drallig calling Niman the least worthy of study of the seven forms, it seems odd then that the saber prodigy Exar Kun would then chose that as his form of choice.
I would imagine that Niman being the fundamental form for Jar'Kai would also come in handy with a double-bladed saber. This might be why Kun and Maul both employed it. /shrug
True, but he goes on to note Niman's perceived insufficientness in his very next breath.
Anywho, I can see why Niman may have been the most practical form in times of peace, but during the Clone Wars and beyond, forms that placed more emphasis on bladework would have been far more preferable--especially when you consider that they were also easier to perfect.
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You know there is one thing we forgot to take into account about Niman and Exar Kun, Remember that jedi version of Niman incorporates SIX of the lightsaber forms not seven, The order only taught Juyo/Vaapad to jedi they thought were highly trained to resist the dark elements of Juyo/Vaapad Such as Mace Windu. So judging by that we could say that Exar Kun-being a Sith Lord as well as a great duelist - would incorporate Juyo(The Vaapad of the old republic) into his version of Niman.
I believe this could be the reason why Exar Kun was so ferocious as a lightsaber duelist as well as one of the many reasons he is NOT 'The weakest link' on the sith team
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NewGuy01, Im not implying anything, while as a duellist I do consider him above Vitiate,yes, but only because Vitiate has shown very little in terms of lightsaber prowess, in terms of force power..well there is a reason vitiate is emperor, however to say that he or Exar Kun are above Palpatine in terms of both lightsaber prowess and force potential is a bit of a stretch in my humble opinion
You said that Exar Kun was not the weakest link on his side, which implies that he is greater than one of his teammates.
And yes, I would agree to the notion that Exar Kun is most definitely a better duelist than Vitiate, who doesn't even know how to properly hold a weapon.
And "a bit of a stretch" is something of an understatement, in my opinion. I mean, we're talking about the difference between a guy who blasts holes in walls and a guy who rips apart star fleets.
I just imagine Makashi being the competitive duelist' form of choice. It certainly was for Dooku, and probably was integral in the techniques used by older characters such as Tulak Hord. In fact, the sheer amount of confirmed canon characters who don't use Makashi outside of the PT era is surprising, given its description as the pinnacle of lightsaber to lightsaber combat and an archaic tradition in Dooku's own time.
I seem to remember the very first Fightsaber article to be released (before the modified version which was later hosted on SW.com) indicated rather out of the blue that Exar Kun was a Makashi user. This was funny for two reasons: Kun predated the forms by many years, and Kun pretty much cleaved and smashed everything with his rage-induced strength, making him a better candidate for say, Form V.
What makes you think that Vitiate doesn't even know how to properly hold a weapon? He knows how to use a lightsaber but he is so powerful that he doesn't feels the need to keep one.
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Sith Lords are most likely to win this contest. Vitiate and Sidious put together are too overwhelming for virtually any contest, IMO.
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1. Picks up Revan's lightsaber, activates it and moves towards Revan to impale him. However, Surik knocks out the lightsaber from Vitiate's grasp just on time with a saber throw attack.
He uses a lightsaber while possessing Kira too, even does a fancy twirl. Also all his clones use lightsabers in the final fight plus he is wearing one.
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