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Originally posted by Nephthys
Luke jobs all the time though. He struggled with Lumiya as well.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In their final fight, he didn't "struggle" with her, the only thing was her lightwhip kept him off balance for like a sentence. You can't ignore his 100s of feats of slaughtering Sith to stormtroopers to Vongs to his lightsaber prowess against powerhouses like Palpatine.

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Caedus does not have superior TK to the Hero. If Vitiate could not overpower the Hero then he won't be able to. As I said, the Hero could even overpower HIM in the Dark Side ending.

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At one point in the series, Luke pins him to his chair without even gesturing at him.

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Luke also fools Caedus with illusions in order to make him appear insane at one point. Luke is firmly above him in the Force.

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Luke was so reckless and out of control at the time.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Didn't Jacen throw Luke in the fight as well?
"The lightning never came. Instead, Luke was blindsided by something heavy and spiky, and his body exploded into pain as he slammed into a durasteel wall. He found himself pinned in place, trapped by a bed of thorns Jacen had hurled across the cabin. He felt the hot sting of the thorns pumping their venom into him. His hearing faded and his head began to spin, and he saw Jacen, one hand still raised to keep Luke pinned, sneering and taking his time rising."

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Isn't the dark side ending non-canon?
Regardless, he has not showed the ability to move 40 meter ships or tank ion canons.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Didn't Jacen throw Luke in the fight as well?
"The lightning never came. Instead, Luke was blindsided by something heavy and spiky, and his body exploded into pain as he slammed into a durasteel wall. He found himself pinned in place, trapped by a bed of thorns Jacen had hurled across the cabin. He felt the hot sting of the thorns pumping their venom into him. His hearing faded and his head began to spin, and he saw Jacen, one hand still raised to keep Luke pinned, sneering and taking his time rising."

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Luke was locked in extreme meditation in that point.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That makes Luke all the more dangerous.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
As I said, the Hero could even overpower HIM in the Dark Side ending.

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Originally posted by ares834
It says right there, Jacen through the "bed of thorns" (it's an Embrace of Pain) at Luke.

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Originally posted by ares834
A weakened mortally wounded Vitiate who was unable to even defend himself from the falling "stalactite".

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Who was still able to collapse the temple. Vitiate probably just couldn't defend himself because the Hero was preventing him from doing so.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dude, are you seriously asking me where it says Palpatine is the most powerful Sith Lord? And that I have no evidence to back it up?

-Creating Force Storms capable of destroying fleets of ships and devastating the surfaces of planets
-Surviving as a spirit whenever his body is killed and traveling as a spirit across lightyears of space
-Making the planet Byss a dark side nexus
-Siphoning the life energies of the nearly 20 billion inhabitants on Byss
-Telepathically subjugating the wills of nearly 20 billion beings on Byss, erasing the memories of millions on Coruscant, and inducing fear into thousands of Jedi across the galaxy
-Projecting Force Lightning capable of scorching Sithspawn to ash, burning people to skeletons, and contorting lightsaber blades
-Causing the Force to become imbalanced to blind the Jedi's perceptions
-Hiding his Force sensitivity from the most powerful Jedi in the Order
-Perceiving events and eventualities throughout the galaxy
-Altering the tides of battles by influencing armies and fleets
-Controlling midi-chlorians to sustain life
-Moving his lightsaber too fast to be seen by Jedi who can react to lightning bolts and ships flying at sublight speeds

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."
--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

The Sith Order, in hiding for a millennium, had awaited the birth of one who was powerful enough to return the Order to prominence. Darth Sidious was the fulfillment of that prophecy, capable of exacting the Sith's revenge on the Jedi for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.
--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Unknown to the Rebels, the Emperor had already laid the groundwork for the perpetual rule of his New Order. He had turned a Jedi into his new dark apprentice, the terrifying Darth Vader. Vader himself trained apprentices. And the Emperor created a corps of loyal, Force-skilled minions to maintain his rule. Most powerful of all, of course, was the Emperor himself.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

It quickly became clear to Luke that this decrepit and seemingly defenseless old man was masterfully adept in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. Indeed, as Vader had warned, the Emperor had become the Dark Side's most powerful expression.
--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets—“his sorcerer’s ways,” as the Sun Guards referred to them—including the ability to prevent beings from dying.
--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Resurrected in a youthful clone body, Palpatine does not reveal himself immediately. Studying the dark side of the Force to become more powerful, his education results in three manifestos: The Book of Anger, The Weakness of Inferiors, and The Creation of Monsters.
--Taken from The Ultimate Visual Guide

Palpatine knew precisely why the Empire couldn’t last without his dread power: he had designed it that way. No one ever suspected how much he relied on the Dark Side of the Force. He shaped those of his government by using the Force against them. He used it to control his fleets and to drive his soldiers on to victory. He used it to destroy his enemies from a distance and learn of conspiracies against him. Without it, there was no way the Empire could endure, as he had designed it. The Dark Side flowed through him like some primordial ichor and was the key to all his power. Soon he was ready to strike. Fully healed and in greater control of the Dark Side than ever, he finally acted to end the Mutiny.
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

The feeling had begun as a faint stirring in the Force, like the tiniest ripple of something moving slowly through deep water, far away but drawing steadily closer. It intensified, until it felt like the Force itself was roiling, heaving like the sea in the grip of an enormous storm. The commandos guarding the royal chamber reached for their throats. As Maul watched, an unseen forced lifted them high in the air, then slammed them to the floor, where they lay motionless in their red-and-black armor. The doors opened, then closed behind a figure in dark robes. A deep cowl hid most of the face, leaving only a pale chin and a downturned mouth visible. To most eyes the man in those simple robes of rough cloth was unremarkable, just another being making his way in the universe. But to those who could feel the Force he was anything but ordinary. To them, he was a dark sun blazing with power that was simultaneously hypnotizing and terrifying to behold.
Darth Sidious, the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith, had come to Mandalore.
Savage stared at the new arrival in astonishment, transfixed by the sight.
--Taken from Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness.
A black hole of the Force.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.
--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

Any unusual localization, or vergence, of dark side Force energy. These strange locales emanated the dark side of the Force, and were considered focal points of power for dark side users. As such, they were often guarded by Jedi Knights to prevent their discovery and exploitation. Known dark side nexuses included the twisted tree-cave on Dagobah, Halagad Ventor's hermitage on Trinta, and a "stain" of dark side energy that hovered over Endor following the defeat of the Emperor.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Had this human truly been born of flesh-and-blood parents? Plagueis asked himself. When, in fact, he seemed sprung from nature itself. Was the Force so strong in him that it had concealed itself?
--Taken from Darth Plagueis

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor have been measured in power beyond Sith paradigm. He is regarded as the most powerful Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. Nuff said.

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Originally posted by ares834

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Difference is that Sith Emperor have been measured in power beyond Sith paradigm, he is regarded as the most powerful Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.

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Originally posted by ares834
He collapsed the temple after he was dead and squished (at least in DS ending). Seems far more likely he didn't bother defending himself or was unable to as he was dying rather than HoT was somehow cutting him off from the force.

Heck, in the cut-scene it take the HoT a few seconds to break the pillar thingy.