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Krayt would be an issue for Sidious, in that he'd be annoying to kill whilst staving off Vitiate, but Kun's on another level from Sidious and Vitiate, he's powerful, but would get obliterated.
Fear, yes. Strain? Where? He is laughing and smiling whole time, except when dodged platform and at the end of final contest. Again, at which point you saw strain on his face? All, I could see is his permanent wrinkles.
Dooku is not stupid. He knows that he is below Sidious. Had he counterattacked Sidious, inevitable hunt down would follow.
And there is critical difference that maintains my point that you missed out. Zabraks are not Luke skywalker. Majority of characters are helpless, when choked or electrocuted. It is consistently observed throughout series.
Anakin and Kenobi couldn't break Ventress' Force choke, despite the fact that she is below both of them, only ship reverberation saved them.
Yet, later Ventress couldn't break out of Anakin's Force choke.
Dooku was able to Force choke Anakin, Ventress and Kenobi. Yet, was unable to break free from Opress' choke, despite the fact that Opress' attention was split on choking Ventress as well.
When Sidious caught Dooku with Force choke, it could as well mean that Dooku wouldn't be able to break free like he couldn't break free from amateur Opress.
Equally you have no proof that attack was expected. In particular we can see that Sidious turns away and Maul looks at him with confused face: "Master?"
Equally you have no proof that these two particularly durable Force users as you say weren't damaged by the Force blast. Other characters like Kenobi were shown to get knocked down by Force blast alone. Brothers in comparison were blasted, suffered additional impact against window and were pressed hard against it. There was clear expression of pain on their faces. Yes, they recovered quickly, which is impressive but in no way it means they were undamaged by it. Second similar Force blast from Sidious completely knocked Maul down.
Accuse me of assumptions all you want, you equally assume here but with much more bias. Filoni's statements that they were no match for him does not prove that he could Force handle them at any moment of his choosing. You can't prove it no matter how you interpret things.
As you confirm, Dooku knew it wouldn't do him any good, thus didn't try. Reluctance of Dooku does not prove that Sidious can Force handle him during fight any moment he wants.
If you think otherwise, then both fights of Yoda and Dooku don't make sense. If Yoda - Sidious equal in power by all accounts could safely overpower Dooku with TK, that's exactly what he would do. He already showed it on Ventress, no reason for him not to try it on Dooku. The only logical conclusion is that Dooku would be able to resist.
That has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. It's not about whether he is better than them, he is undeniably better. However, you have no proof to claim that he can simply dispose of either of them during fight with Force like "fodder" as you say. There is no way 3 against 1, where one character could fight Yoda without being Force handle is waaayy too much.
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She had the force potential of Luke, according to a master who's name I can't remember (will check)
But yeh, she's hella powerful. She stopped Sidious' own essence, was equal to a Spirit Vodo Siosk Baas + 6 Jedi in terms of force strengths MINIMUM (Judging that Luke needed that number to make a wall of light. Luke needed Leia for the same reason, but theirs was way bigger)
She's impressive.
Maybe not Kun, but it's close, and that's the point, no?
Seriously? Leia has like, no training at all at this point. Even though she has power, she can't effectively use it. Sidious pwning her would be like him pwning TPM Anakin.
Later on even with training she had a tough fight with Alema Rar and got beat up by an Ewok. She isn't even in the same ballpark in the same county as Exar Kun,
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I never said she was Kun's equal.
But she had the power to hold off Palpatine without any training. Held the Milenium Falcon together, which was supposedly incredibly difficult.
Mind tricked a fully fledged Jedi Knight into dropping her saber,
Dueled Boldarion or whatever his ridiculous name was without any proper training.
She never took the Jedi path like Luke did but it was clear she had the potential to be his equal.
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During his lightsaber duel with Yoda on the Chancellor's podium and the final lightning assault on the Senate pod, Sidious can be seen straining or grunting with exertion. No such expression on his face with the brothers. The difference is that Yoda is a challenge and a half whereas the Zabraks barely qualified as light exercise.
And be careful when making remarks about His Imperial Majesty's complexion, plebe.
Bingo. Dooku knew that resistance was futile.
And if Opress throttled Dooku as effortlessly as did Sidious and from a similar interstellar distance, I'd also put Opress above Dooku. But we know from narration and other feats that the Count is Opress's superior by a notable margin and that Ventress and Opress together weren't good enough to take Dooku down. There's plenty of reason to conclude that Opress couldn't duplicate that feat in your average fight. Sidious, on the other hand, has no such consideration working against him. There's nothing to say that he's not capable of humiliating Dooku whenever he wants, which is probably why Dooku is looking for an ally in taking Sidious out rather than trying to do the job himself. He knows he doesn't stand a chance.
You mean his feigned confusion over the fact that Sidious wasn't falling for his BS?
Translation: "Yeah, I know the brothers didn't show any signs of injury and recovered well enough seconds later, but they were totes really really hurt by it and were prolly paraplegic and they mos def qualified for Dathomirian Disability after that i sure hope Talzin had them insured!!1!"
Not buying it, Arhael. And yeah, I'd say being torpedoed into concrete and then flung to the ground would probably hurt a bit more than being shoved against a window.
In Filoni's own words, these guys together pretty much couldn't even touch him. He's not just better, bro. He's leagues better. The martial difference between Sidious and the brothers is more or less the martial difference between Thor and Stephen Hawking, except the Zabraks don't get the spiffy chair.
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Who's comparing Dooku to season 1 Ventress? No one. Dooku is in a whole 'nother league. But yeah, I'm sure if Yoda got pissed and wanted to Force choke Dooku, he'd do just fine. But that's not a textbook Jedi tactic, is it?
Nah. The Zabraks are nothing but a mild annoyance to Sidious at their very, very best. All he need do is fling Dooku aside for the three seconds it would take to grind them into talcum powder. Then he smites Dooku with impunity.
And I never accused you of saying that. But you said they were comparable. They aren't.
When did she hold off Palpatine? Wouldn't that directly contradict your own point about him being far above her? And she held together the Falcon in 40 ABY, not when Palpatine was alive. Same with the mind trick feat.
Leia had power, but at the time she met Sidious she still had minimal training and control of the Force.
Not really. None of them really have any feats to indicate that they can even see him let alone not get blitzed. Maybe Krayt, but that's just personal opinion.
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