In FC Superman asked Billy to help him lift the infinity book. They are quals, though if Superman cuts loose he should be above him, like he was in OWAW.
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they ARE peers in strength. always have been. shazam's magical quality is simply what can give him the *advantage* one-on-one. also, no contradiction between superman and shazam has EVER been shown. they have ALWAYS been depicted as near-equals, with any sort of difference between them being marginal at best. the writers' intent couldn't be clearer.
but yeah, continue ignoring the actual on-panel showings between the characters in question. that always works out well.
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nothing wrong with that. in fact, i probably would too. i'm referring mainly to those select few posters who are ridiculously claiming that shazam is a dianna-level character who is many orders of magnitude below clark. they've met several times on panel and have ALWAYS been treated as near-equals.
to claim that the intent of DC is the exact opposite of what we've consistently been shown on panel, is just.....well.....f*cking stupid.
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they are peers when it comes to normal everyday Superman (holding back subconsciously). How they WERE depicted has nothing to do with the retcon. Superman has gotten upgrades too. The retcon ensures that Superman bypass CM when his mental blocks come off. With them on then they are peers.
But yeah, continue ignoring the actual on-panel retcon about Superman's mental blocks hindering his power greatly. That always works out well.
As far as CM having an advantage over normal Superman, this is false.
what is shown bypasses what is intended by an individual writer. That means Superman is superior to CM. His fighting ability is better, he uses speed more efficiently, he has other powers like freeze breath, hv, wind breath, intangibility, etc. CM magic advantage isn't enough. Now if Normal Everyday Superman fought CM without freeze breath, hv, his extra skill, wind breath, etc. thing CM would have a slight advantage.
yes they are peers in normal circumstances. This is clear. But when the mental blocks are off then they aren't.
When they were depicted as equals, the notion of Superman's mental blocks was non existent.
So if they fought in a comic then it would be very close. But if we have DOS mindset or OWAW mindset then it's a different story.
if he were to fight an all-out superman, you mean? they'd still be near-equals, as always. DC has been abundantly clear in that regard.
i don't think h1 grasps the concept that pretty much ANY character in the history of fiction is able to step beyond their normal tier when they decide to 'go for broke'... Especially heroes, as most of them tend to hold back anyway.
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holding back intentionally isn't the same as holding back subconsciously. No character in comic history has increased their might 5x or more by releasing mental blocks. No character has went from not being able to hurt someone to killing them in mere moments with just physical strength.
Your first and second sentence is ignoring on panel evidence of the retcon.
It was writers intentions that many of Hulks villains were peers to him. But HOTM retcon those instances to Hulk holding black GREATLY.
Lol...iirc, He admitted during a fight against a possessed Superman that he holds back, then, lol, Captain Marvel holds back just like any Super hero does...especially against Superman, the guy he consider the greatest hero ever. How about this, prove that he doesn't hold back with a scan. I don't care about your 20% comment. Show me some proof.
i have not only acknowledged this 'retcon', but i have even cited a superman/shazam battle that took place after it. you're just too obtuse to grasp simplistic concepts at this point--you'd much rather cling to your own fanmade theories/percentages.
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i'm done wasting my time. h1 can have the last word that he so desperately craves. i won't even be looking at this thread any further.
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berserker rage as in wolverine? So wolverine becomes more than 5x stronger when he enters berserker rage?
No you haven't. The retcon talks about releasing subconscious blocks makes Superman VASTLY more powerful. The scene you are referring to is talking about normal circumstances where Superman's mental blocks would be in play (as the retcon stated).
Wolverine went from losing to Sabertooth and Omega red to, taking on Sabertooth who was backed by Omega Red (Who usually Beats him), Mystique, Wild Child, lets put it like this, he defeated his entire Rogue simultaneously while still not going all out.
Let's move to Hulk. Hulk went from getting his arm broke by Red Hulk, choked to sleep, koed again, to taking Rulk out with a single thunder clap, AFTER tanking everything he dished out, AFTER getting his powers absorbed and added to Rulk own power.
Let's move to Spiderman. Spiderman went from getting his eye snatched out by Morlun to having Morlun tank everything he threw at him. To running from Morlun ending with him one shot killing him.
This list can get big H1. Tremendously big. This crap happens all of the time. Batman took out Amazo, a guy a stomps the JLA. Flash not holding back mud stomping a speed force amped ape that had every advantage on him. You're concept of things is minimum at best. Maybe I need to PM you some comics.
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