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Darth Vader vs Emperor Vitiate
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Dominis
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Originally posted by Nephthys
It pretty much is that powerful bro. We already saw what Sidious' lightning did to Vader. Plus I'm not sure about the canonicity of that scene you're referring to. That's not how it goes in the game, ze original source.



No, it is not that powerful. And again, Sidious is not Vitiate. Stop using Palpatine's feats as feats for Vitiate.

If you're referring to the canonicity of the tear in Vader's chest, well the game doesn't contradict it, as most of their saber duel happens within game mechanic. Regardless, Vader still tanked over 30 seconds of SK's very amplified lightning attack, without a saber.




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Originally posted by Nephthys
So he is dealing with their combined power at the same time. That Leeha, Kira and Warren were still overpowered in the first few seconds only indicates the immense strength of Vitiate's storm.



I agree, but it would also indicate that they were irrelevant and that the rest of the attack plus the second charged attack was aimed more towards Braga and HoT, considering they were the only ones pushing through. Vader has tanked shit that they would probably be killed by, even if they are together.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course, I can also suggest that if Vader can't contain the lightning it could destroy his lightsaber with the power he can't contain. Exal Kressh style.



It didn't destroy Braga's or HoT's lightsabers while they were momentarily pushing through it.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't recall suggesting it would be easy. I think he could take it decently well for a while.



Then why did you challenge me when I told Sinious to get off of Vitiate's dick for claiming Vitiate would easily overpower Vader?


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Though I do think that if he does his charged attack Vader is going down in short order.



I don't.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
Darth Revan and Darth Malak are not very powerful Force users now? That's a laugh, both have been confirmed to be amongst the greats.



Not as powerful as Vader, who rivals Vitiate. Plus, as I said, Revan outright admits that they underestimated Vitiate, and Vitiate prepared for their arrival.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
And no I wouldn't accept that, becuase Bane actually has feats of resisting powerful mental attacks.



Zannah's TP doesn't even approach Palpatine's.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't really go into specifics. Only that what's different about his confrontation now is that he knows how to resist Vitiate "this time.



I'm not going to assume that a mental shield is different than a mental shield.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you think the difference between Darth Revan and Reborn Revan is so vast that D!Revan gets instantly dominated with Malak and yet R!Revan can resist Vitiate for 300 years if they're using the same technique? No, he could resist the second time because he knew how to this time.



What technique did Revan use the first time? He underestimated Vitiate the first time.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader doesn't have this advantage.



Vitiate doesn't have the advantage of prep this time.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't get dominated, he got pwned by the psychic anguish and rendered incapable of fighting back.



It's still a form of being mentally dominated.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Since Vader has some mental feats and is very powerful, I can see him doing better than this but I still don't think he can effectively attack Vitiate while he's working on dominating him.



I don't think Vitiate can keep from getting hurled on his ass while trying to TP Vader. Even for Vitiate, a force push doesn't require as much concentration and is much easier to utilize in combat situation, considering he used one on Revan to distance him before trying to mind dominate him.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate required no prep to attempt to dominate Revan.



And he failed the second time. Evidently, Vitiate doesn't have much faith in instantly dominating a powerful force user without prep, which is why he opened up with a force attack before he even attempted to dominate Revan's mind.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate also became much more powerful than he was in his fight against Revan or in some other of his feats, due to draining his servants and Revan and other increases of his power. So him not being on a nexus is irrelevant, if a nexus was ever even an issue.



It's not irrelevant, unless you can provide some feats to suggest he would be more powerful off a nexus than he was during his confrontation with Revan while he was on one.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it's because a dude merely drawing on Vitiate's power can resist Revan level TK.



On a dark side nexus.

Once again, Revan doesn't match Vader in TK. Heck, Vitiate's own TK feats only rival that of Vader's when he's on a nexus, otherwise Vader has him beat in that area.

You imply that Vitiate is so far above Revan in TK that a guard drawing on his power can resist a TK attack from Revan, and then list Revan "tanking" Vitiate's TK as a feat for Revan, which would imply that Vitiate isn't so far ahead of Revan in TK as to dominate him with it.



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Originally posted by Nephthys
For the record I think it's a dick move insisting I type out feats you already know and that I've already argued with you about.



I'm not a fan of Revan so I don't keep up with his feats, and thought maybe you could provide something I didn't already know, which you didn't. None of Revan's feats put him on par with Vader in terms of TK.


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It's Vader who doesn't have feats comparable to Vitiate not visa verse


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Is S66 arguing against Vitiate's superiority here?


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Not at all, tbh.


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Ok.


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Unless this is full potential Vader...that is, Mortiskin...

...There's not really much he can do here.

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Vader might speedblitz tbh.

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Vader might speedblitz tbh.


Can Vader speedblitz Revan?

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Can Vader speedblitz Revan?

No. Revan teleports the f*ck out of there when he sees Vader approaching.

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Originally posted by Stigma
No.


Exactly, so he can't speedblitz Vitiate as well.

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Revan has teleportation as I mentioned. Vitiate does not.

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You said no, that's good enough. I just filtered out the trolly part of your post. happy


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Originally posted by AncientPower
"Now that Vader had begun to tap deeply into the power of the dark side, his true apprenticeship can begun."

"More important, by the time Vader was capable of becoming a risk to his mastery, Sidious would be fully conversant with the secrets Plagueis had spent a lifetime seeking - the power over life and death. There would be no need to fear Vader. No need to have an apprentice other than to honor the tradition Darth Bane had resurrected a millenium earlier."

Clearly Vader in Sidious' opinion would become a genuine threat to him.
What's the source for that?


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Quite certain it's Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader but I'll double check if necessary.


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Vader isn't speedblitzing Vitiate who', has reacted to oponents of similar speed such as Revan


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Is this even a question?


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Not anymore.


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Originally posted by Sinious
You said no, that's good enough. I just filtered out the trolly part of your post. happy

Dang it stick out tongue

I might got carried away but can you blame me? Vader is so much cooler than Viti.

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Dang it stick out tongue

I might got carried away but can you blame me? Vader is so much cooler than Viti.


I like the idea of total annihilation and an ego arrogant enough to attempt it but I agree, Vader's swag is not possible for almost any other character to surpass.

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