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"Unrivaled in illusory powers and a master of Sith magic, Aleema would sow terror into the minds of the Republic."- TCG
Keto's powers didn't only lay in illusions but they were exceptionally broad and powerful, entire fleets of illusory ships, turning swords into snakes on a mass scale, disintegrating people without even trying.
She endured the strong dark side taint and became stronger for it, she was trained by Nadd himself and received the ancient texts of the Golden Age itself.
Only Nomi and Kun could even defend themselves from her powers.
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Perhaps Keto was unrivaled in her time, but Nomi easily resisting Keto's illusions does not compare to Zannah's and Wyyrlok's illusions giving the likes of Bane and Krayt great trouble, despite their own insane mental prowess.
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You... this.. it's absolutely glorious, you wank yourself non-stop and take yourself so seriously, I swear it's like debating with a child, oh wait...
"But the destruction of this planet's surface had sustained this dark man well beyond his years, biding his time in his slumber."
Kun has displayed a TOTAL mastery of Sorcery and canonically amped Kyp Durron whilst on Yavin IV, all of Kyp's Dark Side knowledge and displayed powers at this point were via Kun.
Also Exar Kun's spirit was a literal shadow of his former self, not nearly as powerful as he is in a corporeal form and his abilities in this form were all techniques he had learnt before his ascension.
So yes they do count.
Meetra didn't display half the power she has in previous media.
The Dark Force Temple just like the Dark Temple is simply a focal point for the nexus on Dromund Kaas, you are arguing semantics.
Nyriss defeating a nerfed Meetra is by no means a surprise and the evidence supports my point that she was not at full power here at all, just like every Jedi bar HoT whom had mental defenses against such, also Revan a dual Force user doesn't count in these examples whatsoever.
He studied her for a moment. “I was told you had been cut off from the Force, but I can sense its power in you. I always knew you had great potential, but you have become far greater than I could ever have imagined.”-SWTOR: Revan
Apparently what he could have imagined was far, far, far, less than Nyriss.
Of course the rest of the passage goes on to pretend Kreia was never born, even though she was Revan's master and mentor, so take that as you will.
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Some illusions perhaps. Bane stated Zannah's illusions have no technique used for defense against them, that the only protection against Zannah's sorcery is strength of will.
Tell me... did Kun definitively know BM? and if not then how come Keto didn't just overcome Kun with illusions?
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That's inconsistent with all other sources, including the actual comic itself.
Exar Kun isn't controlling him. So no, it doesn't count. He has knowledge on it, yes, but no feats.
Exar Kun's ghost is depicted as much more powerful then his former self.
Yes, that is called a retcon. The game was from 2004, it's out-dated.
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You also forget Meetra was amped by her companions when she soloed Malachor. She drained everyone around her as a wound.
No it's not. The temple was founded by Darth Millennial, far after Vitiate's rule ended.
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Actually none of those sources have a direct statement on what effect the annihilation of the surface had on him.
Wrong on both accounts:
Kun clearly had a compelling hold over him.
Kyp's energies feed the powers of Kun, whom channels this through Kyp himself and even incapacitates Luke himself. Even so he is STILL not at full power as Vodo Siosk Baas tells Luke in the 'spirit realm', Exar Kun is still at just a part of his power. He would only ever be at full power once he had his human form back.
Meetra's ability to bond with her students doesn't work the way you think it does, she gained the techniques and powers that they taught he. As she herself taught them, the bond allowed her to train them a lot faster than normally possible and vice-versa.
Unless you are actually stating that the nexus on Dromund Kaas somehow vanished between said times, I am not sure what you are getting at. Vitiate's experiments and imprisonment of other Sith in the Dark Temple turned the planet into a much more powerful Nexus than it had formerly been.
"The lightside power triggers a terrible destruction in its wake."
--The Comic
I never denied such. He was never controlling him though. His spirit never took over Kyp's body.
Spirit realm doesn't mean shit, to be honest. He was able to **** up Luke pretty badly.
I don't understand why you believe your knowledge on Meetra surpasses this entire forum.
The Exile was accessing the Force via her companions. By the end of the game, she is tapping the Force presence of 3-4 fully realized Jedi.
This is explained numerous times throughout the game, actually. Most notably on Dantooine.
Darth Millenial founded the nexus in the Dark Force Temple. It was not a central spot of Kaas' nexus, but rather something different, like Yavin 4 and then the sacrificial temple of Naga Sadow.
The temple became a central place in both the Dark Force and Prophets of the Dark Side orders, making it an extremely powerful nexus.
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Yes he was, he was practically mind dominating him and feeding off his energies to sustain himself, he was the reason Kyp went Dark Side in the first place.
Ah so you're just going to ignore the point I see.
If all her power came from her companions then why is she still performing on Dromund Kaas and then feeding Revan for three centuries?
I still do not see how this renders these effects mute. The planet was one massive center of Dark Side energy, the orbit itself was a miasma of Dark Side energy.
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Kun did both, that is obvious, when you have such an effect on someone's mind that you outright turn them to the Dark Side of the Force and give them dark techniques way beyond your own comprehension and then that all disappears, it means you have total control the quote outright states his control was complete.
So because he defeats Luke Skywalker a statement in a source is incorrect? hahahaha.
I do not believe this for a second, as it is stated outright that she got more powerful by feeding on the death around her.
No they weren't, even on the journey to the temple, they were all suffering the effects.
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You should know better Anthony.
I swear you say these things just to draw me in.
She wasn't amped by her companions during the Trayus academy as none of then were there, and everyone else were already wounds who's soul purpose was to drain, not be drained.
You seem to completely disregard other sources in favor of one, despite the fact that none of the sources contradict each other at all. You're doing this all out of some petty hatred that Obsidian went with Meetra, and that there was indeed a character in the Kotor era far more interesting than your beloved lord.
It's simple, Meetra was weakened. There's no need to say she wasn't and it's a retcon, because we know every other Jedi who has ever set foot on that planet bar the HOT was weakened, and was weakened immensely. Even Yoda.
Are you trying to say that Nyriss > Yoda? That Dooku> Yoda just because they'd beat him on Dromund Kaas? Because that's the logic you're using here.
Nay, logic is a strong word. That's the idiocy you're spamming here.
There's no specification of a certain distance to not be affected by her companions. After all she was able to feel Kreia losing her hand even though she had gone solo to face Sion. And that was her first and only bond, I'm sure she still had the help of her companions who were still somewhat nearby.
It's a theory at best however solid it is. It's not irrefutable. I'm pretty sure Meetra spoke nothing about the dark side effects of DK, and certainly didn't mention of being weakened as a result.
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Karpyshyn left out plenty about Revan as well as Meetra, he really didn't go into the realm of descriptive writing with this one. That was why quite a lot of people hated it, it was rushed, felt rushed and lacked any background. So many characters could have been given endings and questions could have been answered, but no.
Never notice how Meetra's wound seems to no longer exist? or Traya? Notice how everyone but Bastila seems to act like the Dark Wars never happened? it's called a poor job.
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Ooo, is Cary () mad? You must calm your anger to raise that baby girl.
Numerous of KMC's old time debaters have been debating this issue for a while now in other topics. That was there findings:
"You make connections through the Force, and it resonates with those who travel with you. The resonance is even greater when they, too, are Force sensitive. Your actions affect others more than you know. You draw others to you, especially those strong in the Force. When you suffer, their spirit echoes it. And when they are in pain, their pain becomes yours. [...] It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near."
--The Jedi Council (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords)
Your argument is she was weakened on Nathema by staying there for several months. You can eternally never speak.
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That's not complete control, they are too separate beings. Kun's spirit battles alongside Kyp, not inside of him.
No. His powers displayed in the novels are much greater then what is shown in the comics. Though, it might have been because he drew off of Kyp's power.
The above post. ^
They felt the darkness and it bared on them, but nothing that negated there powers drastically. The Dark Force Temple did however: “He founded a religion that would become known as the Dark Force. There’s an ancient temple there still. It was serviced for centuries by the Dark Prophets.
It’s so steeped in the dark side that it formed its own nexus—one so powerful it interferes with all weaponry and technology except for lightsabers."
--Luke Skywalker (Star Wars Fate of the Jedi: Ascension)
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