Still no proof of Zoom actually beating a Superman-level character? Yeah, that's what I thought. Just more BS claims of Zoom winning.
Not happening.
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Last edited by Star428 on Sep 6th, 2014 at 06:05 PM
Zoom doesn't need to have shown he once beat a Superman-level character in order to prove that he can.
If an unknown being one shots a planet with his bare hands then could that being beat Thing in a fistfight? Do we need to see proof of this being beating a Thing level character?
Uh, yeah... Actually it does have to be shown that he has beaten a Superman-level character before I will ever believe he has a chance in Hell of beating Superman. You say it doesn't have to be. I say it does. Pretty sure I'm the one who decides what I choose to believe in. Not you.
Your opinion is no more valid than mine.
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I'm the one who decides what you believe. That's why I allow you to choose in the meantime. But don't press your luck, I can take away that privilege at any time.
so you believe that Superman can hit harder than zoom ever could?
Now the fact that kinetic energy = 1/2 m v^2
Implies that if zoom's arm has a mass of 3kg and he chooses to punch with many magnitudes the speed of light, he can actually hit Superman with forces ABOVE planet shattering.
And if we take special relativity into consideration the zoom can increase the mass of his arm to astronomical portions and strike again with forces far above planet shattering. He doesn't kill and comics don't need him to do this (there would be no comic if zoom destroys Earth).
The fact that WW says he hits harder than Superman proves that indeed he can hit as hard as Superman.
Diana almost blacked out when he punched her from one city to another.
It's not even a stretch of the imagination that he can knock them out.
In example the herald Red Shift never actually knocked any of the heralds out, but he hurt the Surfer. As such it's a reasonable assumption that he was capable of knocking out the Surfer.
but isn't it common sense. It's completely Dumb to assume that a character, who is holding back, can hurt another but that character would never be able to ko them if they decided to not hold back.
This path leads to all sorts of contradictions though.
That should not be possible the way that Zoom's powers are stated to work. If he attempted to time warp himself to such an extreme level as you describe, the surrounding atmosphere would be harder than steel from his perspective.
Special relativity should not apply to Zoom, given that he's not really moving any faster than a normal runner, it's all pseudovelocity based on his time warping.
If it did, unlike the Flashes who use the Speed Force to get out of such problems, even attempting to throw such a punch would result in a fusion explosion in front of his fist before it even came close to connecting.
Now, comic physics seldom follows reality to any significant degree of rigor. That should also mean that unless the story you're referencing is written with rigorous physics in play, than calling out to the formulas to extrapolate beyond what's in the story isn't really justified
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In zooms time warp, acceleration is far slower to him and thus forces on him are lesser than those outside his warp.
If zoom hits someone by accelerating his fist at 1m/s^2 in his warp then he would feel a 3N force of his fist. But outside his warp, his fist is accelerating at 10000c outside his warp and the victim would feel planet destroying forces.
You falsely assumed that zoom will experience the same forces that he exerts outside his warp.
Remember forces damage and burn because of time. Slowing things down and even fire doesn't burn you.
if this worked the way you were describing, he could not see, as light outside his personal time would be Doppler shifted out of the visible spectrum, from his perspective.
Saying something is false does not make it so, but following assumptions to contradiction does. Any attempt to apply physics as we know it to Zoom leads to contradictions.
Zoom would die of old age waiting around for the energy an explosion of the magnitude we've discussed to dissipate slowed down to safe power levels.
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There is a difference.
We can apply physics to prove how something can work or the magnitude of things. We can't apply physics to prove why something couldn't work. This is comics and no one knows the exact way a character's powers work. Maybe there are contradictions from real physics. That's why we use the suspension of disbelief.
It's common sense within the suspension of disbelief that if an object strikes you far faster than a bullet then it would hit you far harder than a bullet.
What you don't understand is that Zoom can survive a nuke at point blank UNTIL it dissipates. He will never be affected, nor burned. Why? What makes things burn? The speed of the atoms hitting you. If the atoms are hitting you at super slow speed then your atoms will not speed up to the level where you are burning.
A thermonuclear explosion releases energy on the scale of terra-Joules. If he wants to survive that (ignoring radiation poisoning and suffocation for the moment) he needs to slow down the explosion relative to himself to the point that that energy is spread out to such a degree that it's not injurious. Energy of the explosion is thus conserved, he's just adding a bunch of time to the energy transfer reduce the effective power.
Unfortunately for him, (and what you're overlooking) is that just like when he throws hundreds of punches in the blink of an eye he still has to live through all that time. To spread out TJ of energy release to a power level that he could survive, he would need to have to have billions of seconds go by in his own frame of reference for the brief moment of the explosion. One gigasecond is over thirty years.
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That's kind of the point I'm trying to make. Appeals to physics with a character like Zoom lead to nonsensical outcomes, and thus should generally be avoided.
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