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Vader, but it's not necessarily a stomp, and concerning Zannah's ability to mind rape other people, Vader has easily replicated that feat on a Force sensitive as well:
"Vader stepped closer to him. "I think you will. In fact, I know you will. You are brave; your record makes that clear. You do not fear death." He raised his left hand, index finger slightly extended, as if making a point. "But there are far worse things than mere death ...". And before Nick realized what was going on, the Dark Lord was somehow inside his head, a dark shadow interrupting the flow of his thoughts. The shadow seemed to expand...Nick screamed, and fell into a blackness even more perfect than the eyes of Darth Vader.
He could tell that Rostu had seen or heard something that had nearly stunned him into a vegetative state. Rhinann shuddered, trying not to think about what horrors Vader had imparted to the human. Whatever they had been, they had left him in such shock that the forcecuffs he was wearing seemed almost superfluous. His mind felt like it had been punched full of holes-holes that let conscious thoughts drain from it as fast as they popped into existence."
--Taken from Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight.
The only difference between Vader and Zannah in this regard is that he uses regular TP, while she uses sorcery.
This happened early in his career as a Sith Lord, and he was holding back. The version in this thread is ROTJ Vader, who is certainly a better telepath compared to his early post-Mustafar incarnation so I really doubt it's gonna work on him. And even assuming it would work, Zannah's illusion might only enrage Vader, and in that case, she's dead.
Regardless, Vader wouldn't give her the time to prepare her illusions due to his considerably superior duelling skill, and he could very well duel her and use TK at the same time to avoid that.
Not to mention that, when duelling, he tends to use his powers more often compared to Bane.
Duelling wise, Zannah might be able to defend herself for enough time to avoid a total stomp thanks to her mastery of Soresu, but she'll be overwhelmed eventually.
Because Vader was tring to drain knowledge form her, which is a totally different application of TP, and Leia was stated to have a level of control comparable to that of a Jedi. Not to mention that Vader didn't want to risk destroying the information he sought.
I think he is comparable or equal to her, considering that he easily broke through the mental barriers of Luke, who is also a powerful telepath.
Regardless, he is certainly better than Bane TP wise, and I still honestly don't think Zannah's illusions would work.
Bane casually resisted Kaan's mental influence though, and he was dominating hundreds of Sith at once with his mind. Yet Zannah still brought him to his knees with her attack.
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Bane mindraped the Holocron of Andeddu and made off with its greatest secret. And as we learned in Legacy, Andeddu's Holocron actually contains his spirit. So Bane had to hold off the Holocron's efforts to resist him with unwavering constant concentration for several hours while at the same time multitasking with something a thousand times more difficult then slicing a computer network. Do not challenge Bane's willpower.
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Which has more to do with Karpashy's stupid inconsistent writing/lack of knowledge of the SW universe than any actual consistent showing for Bane . He also failed in mastering the essence transfer technique, which you conveniently left out when he failed to fully possess Zannah
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Not really, Bane undeniably completely mindraped a holocron that was later confirmed to actually house Andeddu's spirit. Not to mention the fact that Bane has some insanely impressive and consistent mental showings.
Not really sure what makes this feat invalid other than the fact that you don't like it.
You mean when he successfully initiated the ritual immediately after being exposed to insane amounts of pain far transcending any pain he's ever felt before? The fact that Zannah wasn't possessed by him is more a mental feat for Zannah considering Bane's own extraordinary mental strength has already been pretty much established.
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You mean when he successfully initiated the ritual immediately after being exposed to insane amounts of pain far transcending any pain he's ever felt before? The fact that Zannah wasn't possessed by him is more a mental feat for Zannah considering Bane's own extraordinary mental strength has already been pretty much established. [/B][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, he didn't. Bane just drained knowledge from the Holocron, and certainly not with ease, not to mention that Andeddu has no TP feats, and I see no reason to believe otherwise.
IMHO, Vader draining knowledge from Luke (whose TP feats include dominating the mind of an officer from the other side of a facility and probing the minds/emotions of many people at once) with little effort and in a short time is more impressive.
Regardless, Vader wins due to being able to duel Zannah, and bombard her with objects at the same time, which would distract her, preventing her from using her sorcery.
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As far as im aware, Karpashyn has only made one bad book and I have read most of his books. And his knowledge of SW is ten fold yours. But that's not hard to do seeing as how ignorant you are.
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Tenfold is a bit of an understatement.
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The Sith masters of the Rule of Two era > Vader, Dooku, or Revan
Not really a fair analysis since we only see Zannah use her illusions like 3 times.
Zannah was still a young apprentice when she faced Sarro. She was on a Nexus, but Sarro was roided-up on battle meditation.
Set Harth was a fallen Jedi and was definitely force sensitive. Zannah's sorcery left him in a coma for several days.
Zannah was forced to use a weaker illusion on Bane because of the injuries that she suffered. Bane was also completely prepared for her illusion.
Bane, knowing that Zannah would one day use sorcery against him, studied it to defend himself. Despite all of this, he still struggled with Zannah's illusion:
Bane was able to resist and he used what seemed like Force Lightning to knock Zannah back, but despite her injuries, she quickly regained her balance.
Bane and Sarro were both physical powerhouses and Zannah did fine against them in sabers.
She was still very inexperienced at dueling when she fought Sarro, yet she was smart enough to keep Johun alive. Even when she went one-on-one with Sarro, she still managed to hold him off for a while.
When she faced Bane, Bane was at first very aggressive. He tried to overpower her with brute force, but Zannah was able to hold him off. When he realized that he couldn't just power through her defenses, he switched to using more precision.
Zannah was doing just fine against Bane until she tripped on the graves.
Vader isn't bringing anything to the table that Zannah hasn't dealt with.
Zannah is prodigy in TK. As a little girl with no training at all, she was killing Jedi and tearing off limbs. Vader isn't going to be TKing her.
One final thing, Bane was emotionally much more stable than Anakin or Vader ever were. Zannah's illusions would crush Vader.
Sep 7th, 2014 06:25 AM
. He also failed in mastering the essence transfer technique, which you conveniently left out when he failed to fully possess Zannah
