Surfer is famed for being a pacifist. When he gets down and dirty, though, he's trans.
Thor does not use most of his powers. Preferring to smack people down with his hammer. When he starts using other powers though? He's trans.
Superman also holds back. Cardboard world and all that. When he lets loose? Trans.
So which of those three most commonly breaks free from their usual mindsets? That's what elevates them to the trans tier.
We can see it in the arguments people always use on these boards.
'Surfer duplicate himself, with one clone opening a black hole in his brain, whilst the board hits him in the back at million times the speed of C. Meanwhile, another clone sucks his soul up, and another time travels and kills him as a baby. Yet another devolves him to plasma goo.'
'Thor calls down the power of a million hurricanes and a billion storms, and fires a Godblast whilst transmuting his enemy into glass, then shatters him'.
'Superman goes intangible, then speedblitzes whilst HVing with Big Bang-level power, and whistling him out of existence'.
If we then had a scan war, which character would have the most examples? Yes, Superman has more comics - but he doesn't do that in the majority of his showings. That's why, for me, he would be closest - because he has shown the most willingness to cut loose.
I didn't say he was or wasn't, that's not the main point I actually replied to Kris post about. Pull your head out your ass and listen. FFS you're acting like he's the only one whilst others who are cheerleading do exactly the same. Why don't you notice that?
Mephisto's spells are very powerful, I don't blame Surfer for overpowering Mephisto before he can cast any. It doesn't change the fact that Surfer pitted his power against Mephisto's power and was winning, as stated and shown on panel.
And? Where do you think Mephisto gets the power to cast his spells? His personal might obviously, which is virtually endless while in his realm.
It says no such thing. Did you read your own scan?
In the scan Mephisto says he considers himself the victor because he has always left Surfer "weary of spirit--tortured of soul." In other words, Mephisto considers himself the winner of their previous encounters because he's always left Surfer with "sad feelings." It says nothing about past fights being illusions.
Tip: read your scans before posting them.
You're not pulling out context. You're literally make shit up, calling it "context" and using it dismiss a feat.
You mean died taking down two Galactus level beings. Not bad for a herald.
First let's get one thing straight. You initially claimed Surfer said Krosakis was at capacity which is false. Surfer commented on Krosakis not being able to control this power. Capacity and control are different things, so your original claim is moot now.
Second, you ignore Krosakis rejecting Surfer's comments, saying he has more experience controlling energy than Surfer. You dismiss this based on Krosakis being a new character? That's a pretty dumb argument.
Surfer was only depowered during the time he was trapped on Earth, which wasn't that long. Surfer's depowerement and Surfer's fight with Abomination didn't happen 10 years apart, it happened within the same volume (e.g., SS Vol 1 #2 and #12), where at the beginning of the volume Surfer blatantly references his depowerement.
You're flip-flopping all over the place. First you said Old Power didn't amp strength, and now you're saying it does.
To make things worse after your flip-flop, now you're blatantly lying by saying that an Old Power users can't multitask? Skaar is clearly amping himself, while using his geokenetics in the scans I posted.
And did you forget how the spirit of Caiera used her planet's Old Power to disguise herself as Hulk (made of the planet's dirt and rocks) and fight Skaar and Surfer. It demonstrates geokenetics and strength/durability amping, all at the same time.
So, how are you going to flip-flop your way out of this one?
They were grappling each other, both trying to escape from the black hole. Obviously one has to overpower the other to escape.
Red Shift says he's as strong as Surfer, and told Surfer he wouldn't wrest his sword from him. Surfer does just that; he overpowers Red Shift via omniblast, and destroys his sword in the process.
He beats Red Shift without his board, and after lending power to Alicia. In fact, Alicia and Surfer even question whether Surfer has enough energy left to beat Red Shift:
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"Will you have enough left to fight that monster?"
Are you going to be a hypocrite and ignore this too? We all know if Superman was weakened you would be all over it.
Yes it was. Unless you're saying Morg's own energies helped knock himself out. This is pretty damn ridiculous. I've never heard of a herald knocking himself out blasting another character. Again, this is just you reaching for any excuse to dismiss a feat, no matter how outlandish.
Like I said, Surfer has time traveled dozens of times with many people, and it has never strained anyone, not even humans. We see Surfer and Durok physically grappling before the time travel. After the time travel we see Durok knocked out. It's doesn't take a rocket science to put two-and-two together.
Prove that Surfer time traveling strains people. He's done it dozens of times with people and it never strained anyone.
Firstly, you realize the original Sonic Shark that drained Surfer's power EXPLODED right? In fact, the missile is designed to use Surfer's energy and blow up. http://postimg.org/image/6vkre7ajr
Nick Fury doesn't say it was the original missile, he says it was originally used to drain Surfer. It's not the same missile that contains Surfer's energies, that was blown up in the scan above. It's just the same model. Surfer simply disabled it by draining it's energy.
Secondly, I never claimed Surfer was depowered for 25 years. He was only depowered during the time he was trapped on Earth, which wasn't that long. It only encompasses SS Volume 1, some Fantastic Four appearances, Defender appearances, and Avengers appearances.
If you can't tell the difference, you need glasses.
The clone didn't one-shot him. He was up the next page, and Surfer power was also low when the clone first came to life since Surfer did provide the clone his power.
Did you miss the part where Surfer's clone said he was trying to kill Surfer? Like multiple times? You think his clone was holding Surfer's hand for fun?
By all means, keep creating excuses.
When you're not making excuses to dismiss a feat, you're shit-talking it. Stay classy abhi.
Which was pierced by Surfer's blast and nothing else? But what does it being huge means anyway?
And? I know surfer can destroy planets already in terms of space cheese. You don't need to impress me on that front.
Are you ignoring the panel where Mu says he absorbed Hulk and Namor's strength specifically into his own body? In fact he tries to absorb Surfer's power into his body but fails. And Mu has never transferred the power he absorbs to his power plant. He has machines to do that for him.
But by all means, continue to ignore on-panel proof, and just make stuff up.
Really? You're going to start low-balling Hulk in order to low-ball Surfer?
Surfer travels back in time to the moment of the accident. He prevents it from happening, thus ensuring the Over Lord is never born. You see Over Lord fade away in that future timeline:
If my head was somehow in my ass I doubt I could see Abby lies and lowballing. Since you cant, there's a decent chance your head is in a stinky crevice. One Punch isn't doing a bit if cheerleading, he's too busy winning.
No, he pitted his strength against Mephisto's strength and overpowered him without his magic to amp him.
Find me a mephisto showing where he goes without using magic and we can talk after that.
His strength has never been impressive.
Are you blind or something? Mephisto flat out said that the victories Surfer has had in past were illusions and his views on the reality is distorted.
That he is left with a weary soul is just for emphasis.
Nope.
He was already dying before that. The fact that he splashed them in crunch energies is just a plot device.
I claimed that Krosakis' limits are unknown and he was overpowered by combined power of Gladiator, Unipower and surfer's power. And Surfer already said that the power of Unipower and Gladiator was more than he could control already.
Using this for Surfer's feat is disingenuous to say the least.
Well, I wouldn't say this being a new character. Just using characters' statements as proof without any information on them? That's dumb.
I already said Surfer was depowered in SS v1. WTF are you talking about?
I said it amps strength when channeled. Skaar wasn't amping his strength. He was destroying the planet.
What? Where in those scans is he amping? He is using his oldpower to amp up the strike against Juggernaut. Against surfer he is using it to destroy the planet.
Caiera is more experienced than Skaar. She also oneshotted Surfer.
Why don't you post Caiera oneshotting Surfer?
Haha, what? Surfer had Red Shift from behind in a lock and hurled him into black hole by a blast.
Are you blind or something?
He hurled him into the black hole by a blast. Not overpowered him. Hard to block a blast when its done from behind. And he didn't destroy his sword. He just wrenched it from his hand.
Surfer contradicts her in the very same page. And he didn't beat Red Shift by raw power, he threw him in a black hole and escaped himself.
"I'm not human."
Superman doesn't gets weakened stated by Lois or something.
And why not? Fallen one koed himself that way. Unlike Fallen One?
Because he protects them. That time travel koed Durok? Yes, it doesn't takes that much thought. Why didn't surfer used this awesome power in the present when Durok pushed his shit in?
I already said he was weakened and all surfer did was take his powers back from the clone.
So no arguments for the clone draining Surfer. And Surfer was holding him by his hands.
Like what?
Pardon me, since when punching Super Skrull was impressive?
Which was in fact being transferred to his module as revealed in the comic. Well that's a flat out lie. But don't worry, I'm used to it it from you by now.
That's your job, like "clone draining surfer".
Hulk has got several power ups from that point. Do you really want to compare Hulk of that time to today's Hulk?
Approval? No son, it's on you to back up claims that you make. You were contending that Triumph was magically powered, not that he was amped, which of course is moving the goalposts (You getting this, Pr?) I guess you are finally admitting that he wasn't magically powered. Thanks for the concession. By the way, genius, stop misusing the word "explicitly."
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