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Endless Mike
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Is this canon to the original Lucifer series?


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Yes. As was explained on the first page, this will be a continuation of Carey's series.


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Yes. As was explained on the first page, this will be a continuation of Carey's series.
We both know they are going to muck this up. Carey ended this perfectly. I only trust him to continue it.


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Only time I've ever agreed with Quan


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We both know they are going to muck this up. Carey ended this perfectly. I only trust him to continue it.
Pretty much.

Even if this ends up being good, it's still not going to be that good. The only people who can duplicate Carey's work are Carey himself, or Gaiman. Anyone else is just a pretender.


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This is going to break my heart.

At least I could rationalize the awful tv show having nothing to do with carey's Lucifer.


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Am I the only one that would rather have a story about Elaine struggling with her godhood, seeking advice on how to rule, and making allies and enemies throughout the multiverse?


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I'd rather see that, sure.


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Lucifer's only purpose was to remove the shackles of destiny, in which he succeeded. So why take a character without purpose and then throw him into a drama against his brother based on a misunderstanding that could easily be resolved?

Elaine's character, on the other hand, was never fully fleshed out and her story was left open-ended with her thrown into the role of God. She's a much more natural protagonist.


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Only time I've ever agreed with Quan
Only time you've ever been right.


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Am I the only one that would rather have a story about Elaine struggling with her godhood, seeking advice on how to rule, and making allies and enemies throughout the multiverse?
I agree.


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Lucifer's only purpose was to remove the shackles of destiny, in which he succeeded. So why take a character without purpose and then throw him into a drama against his brother based on a misunderstanding that could easily be resolved?

Elaine's character, on the other hand, was never fully fleshed out and her story was left open-ended with her thrown into the role of God. She's a much more natural protagonist.


I dunno, the series ended with Elaine becoming one with everything and running the universe as a part of it rather from above like Yahweh did, so if you kept that status quo there's not really any story to tell. I mean obviously a writer could change Elaine doing that but I'm just not sure how interesting of a story that would be if you stay true to the idea of God in Lucifer- as in completely omnipotent and omniscient.

That being said yeah, Lucifer's story ended in a very satisfying and definitive manner so this does seem pointless, and a different story set in the Vertigoverse following on from Lucifer would probably be better.

Another good example might have been Mazikeen- Lucifer left her with the majority of his power to do whatever she wanted, seeing where she went from there might have been interesting.


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Lucifer's only purpose was to remove the shackles of destiny, in which he succeeded. So why take a character without purpose and then throw him into a drama against his brother based on a misunderstanding that could easily be resolved?
The point of Lucifer stepping beyond the parameters of God's 'plan'(which, yes, would have removed him from the confines of Destiny's book) is that every decision he made from then on was his alone. His actions were no longer preordained by the design of a higher power... And that is subsequently the "ultimate freedom" Lucifer sought all along:
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So him choosing to step back into someone else's creation and open up a hispter nightclub, already makes this new series hard to swallow.


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I also don't like this "the devil wears Prada" approach.

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Another good example might have been Mazikeen

That would've been even better.


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Some clarification in regards to Lucifer's creation.

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Nice to have some additional clarification. thumb up


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Originally posted by Galan007
The point of Lucifer stepping beyond the parameters of God's 'plan'(which, yes, would have removed him from the confines of Destiny's book) is that every decision he made from then on was his alone. His actions were no longer preordained by the design of a higher power... And that is subsequently the "ultimate freedom" Lucifer sought all along:
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So him choosing to step back into someone else's creation and open up a hispter nightclub, already makes this new series hard to swallow.
They could always say since he stepped outside of that creation that he freed himself from those confines and that returning is all up to him since he went that scope to begin with. It doesn't matter to me this shouldn't be happening. The series should have been left alone. Ended on a great note.


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Agree. thumb up


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How the Hell does this mesh with DC merging Vertigo and mainstream DC continuity?? Are they just going to pretend Flashpoint didn't happen, and continue in the old Vertigo universe?


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Most likely.

Several Vertigo titles don't mesh with Flashpoint anyway, so it shouldn't be a big deal.


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