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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't even say Mace using vaapad at its fullest if he fought him again could do as well. IMHO

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Originally posted by quanchi112
So you've come over to my side acknowledging Windu did win.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
I just said he's capable of soloing. Not that he would for a majority or anything.

Maybe 3/10. Which is 3 more than any other Jedi is capable of in the PT/OT era sans Yoda

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I get you. I just think that since they were equals and mace used his environment to win I wasand sure how that would work.

True

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Originally posted by quanchi112
How did mace use the environment for the win ?

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Windu led Sidious to the balcony where he had to slow his movements down so he wouldn't slip off the balcony.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That is where the fight took them both. They were simply reacting and Windu was just better in this instance.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He used shatterpoint to find out that by taking himself and Sidious there he Sidious would slow down to make sure he doesn't fall off. In terms of deuling skill and speed they were completely even as stated by the novelization.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
So what you're saying is Windu is more attuned with his surroundings hence the win.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You would,have to read the novelization to get the full effect of the scene, so there is no room for mistake. He was boosted to a great exten which boosted Vaapad and Shatterpoint, so he has a lot going for him in that battle that he wouldn't otherwise receive agaisnt an opponent, even if he fought Sidious again.

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Originally posted by redpill
why did mace pick 3 weak jedis

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Originally posted by NTJack0
Anakin was being a *****, and Yoda was gone.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Again why wouldn't he carry the same abilities he has ? You seem to speculate all over the place and contradict yourself.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How do I contradict myself? I'm not speculating. It's stated right there in the novelization. Why would Sidious have that ability? What would lead you to believe that just because Windu had that ability Sidious would too?

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Windu always has these abilities so acting like he doesn't is simply untrue.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
See that would interest me if they actaully came in handy in a battle situation ever again, and the one time that I can recall it wasn't bolstered by a huge boost that he has also never received before and the only reason he got this boost were from special circumstances. With that if he fought Sidious again he wouldn't be at the same level of power due to his inner anger being lower and thus Vaapad being lower aswell as Shatterpoint.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You are speculating. Windu won. Sheev lost.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not specualtion if it's based on the novelization and taken from the text.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You are speculating on future conflicts. What happened was Windu won. Nuff said.

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1st One instance that was circumstantial and had many factors to it especially doesn't decide future outcomes

2. The novelization explains his boost and makes it clear he won't get the same boost ever again.

No speculation just facts