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There is also the instance where Daniel Rand punches through a helicopter by leaping towards it from the side of a skyscraper. As he fights a bunch of ninjas amidst free fall.

Iron Fist: TLW #1

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He leaped all the way from the skyscraper, through the helicopter, and made it back in one piece.

He catches a bullet here after Brenda tries to kill herself. Do keep in mind since the gun was right next to her head? That means the timeframe he had to cross the distance had to be incredibly tiny.

Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #12

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And for a more conventional example, remember when he played Daredevil?

He copied Matt's style so well, Matt himself said he's as good as anyone he's ever seen. And it wasn't even his own style.


Yes, there's that too.

Just for reference again it was Thunderbolts #137 in regards to Mr. X. There was a typo in that post. I also reposted the Shin Kuei scene.

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lol Team wins

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So, apparently everyone in this team is stupidly hypersonic and can hit harder than nukes.

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lol Team wins


Just like they'd beat Spider-Man.


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They're going to learn what's it is like to lose against someone using Tae Bo.

Billy Blanks looks on with pride.

They can't handle this much cardio.

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No hypersonic speed, no "nuke-level durability" for anyone here.

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Batman solos like he soloed David Cain.

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Wow as if a sparring match with a friend is any indication of how Rand would fare against this team erm. Also Wolverine is a better fighter than Cain and he would wreck him no expression


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Just like they'd beat Spider-Man.


they'd beat spidey too imo, but the webbing is a tricky issue--some of the web feats pete wracked up can be tough to counter. spidey with prep would be a different animal though given what he can now call upon in regards to tech.


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No hypersonic speed, no "nuke-level durability" for anyone here.


Oh, really?

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Immortal Iron Fist #23

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Dodging four different bullets at once, and does so in slow motion so we can see the bullets in mid-air.

Power Man & Iron Fist #89

https://i.imgur.com/ciYjoBD.jpg

Deflecting dozens of flechettes at once, and creating numerous afterimages.

Power Man & Iron Fist #50

https://i.imgur.com/apaLQqQ.jpg


Catching a bullet with bare hands.

Immortal Iron Fist Annual

https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg

He is able to move within the time-frame of a microsecond.

Iron Fist v3 #1

http://imgur.com/a/TiUNn

It only takes him 0.05 seconds to charge and use his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #54

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He is able to easily defeat a giant dragon.

Immortal Weapons #5

http://imgur.com/a/0EXnr

He is able to take down a helicarrier with a single blow.

New Avengers #59

http://imgur.com/a/BHP0F

The collateral damage from his Iron Fist is compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20

http://imgur.com/a/76zEa

He is able to murder Zhu-Rong, a God of Fire and Universal Order in a single punch.

Iron Fist: ILW #11

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Speaking of that.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

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I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.


Isn't that strange?

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http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...-sparring-3.jpg


Oh, please.

That's nothing when they're not even serious, and that's freaking Wolverine. Who is infamous for fighting people he has no right to.

Who everyone and their grandmother jobs to.

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Batman solos like he soloed David Cain.

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Show me Cain doing anything that Danny did in what I just brought up.

As Cain is freaking garbage in practically every area when compared to Danny.

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There is also the instance where Daniel Rand punches through a helicopter by leaping towards it from the side of a skyscraper. As he fights a bunch of ninjas amidst free fall.

Iron Fist: TLW #1

http://i.imgur.com/T4O2wy9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yWDgHjD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aWlxCn9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YhIuwyF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JVnp7lp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DsZ7WJI.jpg

He leaped all the way from the skyscraper, through the helicopter, and made it back in one piece.

He catches a bullet here after Brenda tries to kill herself. Do keep in mind since the gun was right next to her head? That means the timeframe he had to cross the distance had to be incredibly tiny.

Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #12

http://imgur.com/a/Fup9N


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Also, what cdtm here said. Danny is able to take anything that's not atypically used in a fight and turn into a deadly fighting style. So much so that even Black Panther asked him to teach him.

Which is what's relevant there.

I figured that was obvious.

There is also defeating Mr. X's telepathy by using a drunken fighting style.

Thunderbolts #137

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Defeating Shin Kuei.

Heroes for Hire #19

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You do recall that time Danny defeated Davos without his chi? When Davos had it, and when he had the accumulated knowledge of every Iron Fist that died in the Anomaly Gem? Simply by being that much of a better martial artist?

Iron Fist v2 #2

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Not mention this.

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Originally posted by Sharivan
Oh, really?





Isn't that strange?



Oh, please.

That's nothing when they're not even serious, and that's freaking Wolverine. Who is infamous for fighting people he has no right to.

Who everyone and their grandmother jobs to.


And they should show the rest of it.

You know, when Squirrel Girl steps up. They always forget that part, for some reason. smile


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While we're at that.

Danny's senses are also enhanced. He can literally hear someone sweating behind him.

Immortal Iron Fist #9

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Defeats a bunch of cyborg ninjas with a blast of chi.

Iron Fist: TLW #2

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Can project his chi as fireballs.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

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Destroys a ship with his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #68

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Then we have to go by our own analysis if there isn't one. Since it clearly doesn't absorb kinetic energy then the vibranium it's made out of isn't normal.



You mean how Cyclops was able to push him back with his optic blasts, and how Captain America had to push through it instead of simply strolling through it?

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That example supports my argument that it doesn't actually absorb kinetic energy.


The vibranium in the shield is the wakandan vibranium. It absorbs the kinetic energy, no matter how badly you want it not to.

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Protects him from falls, energy beams, lightning, impacts of unearthly force... everything.

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Danny is able to hit hard enough to take down helicarriers, send Skaar flying with a punch, defeat the Wrecking Crew, break Thunderball's wrecking ball, and break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.

As well as being able to use chi in order to enhance the striking force of inanimate objects. As seen in the battle simulation with those bullets.


Striking feats, not actual strength. Rand can't throw anything hard enough to damage adamantium, chi-enhanced or not. He'd need the anti-metal for replicating the sim feat.


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The vibranium in the shield is the wakandan vibranium. It absorbs the kinetic energy, no matter how badly you want it not to.

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Protects him from falls, energy beams, lightning, impacts of unearthly force... everything.


Yet another instance that shows that Captain America's shield doesn't absorb kinetic energy. His entire body is even rattling as a result of the Hulk's hammer strike. You can see the reverberations coming off of him. Which means it passed from the shield to his body instead of being absorbed by it.

Why do you keep providing evidence for my side of the argument?

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Striking feats, not actual strength. Rand can't throw anything hard enough to damage adamantium, chi-enhanced or not. He'd need the anti-metal for replicating the sim feat. [/B]


Prove that only that specific brand of vibranium is the only thing that can damage adamantium, and that no amount of physical force can do it.

As otherwise I am going with the combination of Daniel Rand's strength, and his chi. Plus, having an adamantium/vibranium composite shield as the reason why that happened.

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the shield def absorbs impacts:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...in+america+013+(1999)+(digital-empire)+012.jpg

as for the vibranium, you'll never find a book that says it was wakandan vibranium, but it couldn't be antarctic as that would just melt the mixture it was added to. there's also more than one bio that supports that it was wakandan vibranium:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Vibranium

as for how it absorbs impacts? it's comics. there is no other way around it. /shrug


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stupid broken link...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...11ge3_super.jpg

and the shield isn't an adamantium/vibranium combo, it's what is now called proto-adamantium:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg

adamantium was a failed attempt at remaking the metal of the shield.


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Yet another instance that shows that Captain America's shield doesn't absorb kinetic energy. His entire body is even rattling as a result of the Hulk's hammer strike. You can see the reverberations coming off of him. Which means it passed from the shield to his body instead of being absorbed by it.

Why do you keep providing evidence for my side of the argument?


It does absorb the most of it - otherwise Cap would've been turned into a smear on the ground.

Or maybe you think he's just strong enough to block hits from the Hulk...?

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Prove that only that specific brand of vibranium is the only thing that can damage adamantium, and that no amount of physical force can do it.

As otherwise I am going with the combination of Daniel Rand's strength, and his chi. Plus, having an adamantium/vibranium composite shield as the reason why that happened.


In 616 canon, it took either the Phoenix Force or Magneto's powers to mess up Logan's skeleton.

Ebony Blade didn't scratch his claws. Black Blade (just as indestructible as adamantium) failed to decapitate Logan, even though it was wielded by Silver Samurai who enhanced it with his tachyon field...


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the shield def absorbs impacts:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...in+america+013+(1999)+(digital-empire)+012.jpg


Broken link but that happened to me too. So, I can't fault you for it.

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as for the vibranium, you'll never find a book that says it was wakandan vibranium,


Yet, Siltman was claiming I was going by head canon?

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but it couldn't be antarctic as that would just melt the mixture it was added to.


That makes some sense.

Unless the process drastically changed both the vibranium, and the adamantium.

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there's also more than one bio that supports that it was wakandan vibranium:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Vibranium

as for how it absorbs impacts? it's comics. there is no other way around it. /shrug


You're using a wiki instead of the direct source? That has a bunch of links but none of them elaborate much, and don't show me any scans.

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stupid broken link...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...11ge3_super.jpg


Okay, that's some evidence right but concerns me is what you say next as that makes this a moot point if it's no longer made out of vibranium.

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and the shield isn't an adamantium/vibranium combo, it's what is now called proto-adamantium:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg

adamantium was a failed attempt at remaking the metal of the shield. [/B]


Which means it isn't even supposed to absorb anything anymore. If it's only made out of adamantium. A stronger version than normal at that. Which would explain why Danny was able to fling it into Logan's skull.

A stronger metal should be able to destroy a lower quality version of it if you apply enough force.

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It does absorb the most of it - otherwise Cap would've been turned into a smear on the ground.


It can't because according to leonidas it's not even made out of vibranium anymore. That's besides the fact we don't know how hard the Hulk hit Captain America here.

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Or maybe you think he's just strong enough to block hits from the Hulk...?


No, what I think is that we don't know how hard the Hulk hit him here and considering that it's confirmed that it doesn't even consist of vibranium anymore. There's no reason it should.

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In 616 canon, it took either the Phoenix Force or Magneto's powers to mess up Logan's skeleton.


The former sounds ridiculous and I don't buy for a moment that the bare minimum necessary is something that can destroy stars. The latter is a better example. As when Magneto liquefied it.

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Ebony Blade didn't scratch his claws. Black Blade (just as indestructible as adamantium) failed to decapitate Logan, even though it was wielded by Silver Samurai who enhanced it with his tachyon field... [/B]


You're talking about Muramasa? Anyway, that's besides the point.

Captain America's shield isn't made out of adamantium but rather proto-adamantium. Which is even stronger than normal adamantium. Your garden variety adamantium being a knock-off of it.

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