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TheHulkster
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Already given. New Gods 10-11.


Is this not the wall with a big hole in it?

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Is not Dr. Strange destroying a dimension here?

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Is this not the wall with a big hole in it?

http://readcomicbooksonline.net/rea...5/Chapter_11/11

Is not Dr. Strange destroying a dimension here?

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No.

The dimension wasn't destroyed as it was later shown intact in Champions.


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What happened that both Highfather and Darkseid were needed to balance the madness in Source. They destroyed the wall but as only Highfather sacrificed himself, the wall was only partially rebuilt.

If anyone wants to argue how indestructible Source Wall is, here is Yuga Khan trying to destroy just a facsimile of the source wall on new Genesis after draining planets across galaxy and failing miserably.

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What happened that both Highfather and Darkseid were needed to balance the madness in Source. They destroyed the wall but as only Highfather sacrificed himself, the wall was only partially rebuilt.

If anyone wants to argue how indestructible Source Wall is, here is Yuga Khan trying to destroy just a facsimile of the source wall on new Genesis after draining planets across galaxy and failing miserably.

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Now this is some pretty made up stuff here. The wall is breached. We see the hole in it. It is specifically stated to have been breached because neither Highfather nor Darkseid come as invaders. Otherwise, they would not have been able to breach it.

Strange does destroy the dimension. The dimension showing up in an unrelated story that ignores it doesn't change that.

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Now this is some pretty made up stuff here. The wall is breached. We see the hole in it. It is specifically stated to have been breached because neither Highfather nor Darkseid come as invaders. Otherwise, they would not have been able to breach it.

Strange does destroy the dimension. The dimension showing up in an unrelated story that ignores it doesn't change that.



Now who is making stuff up?

No, Strange informs he will make the realm vanish just like Ancient One did. Champions didn't ignore the story seeing its the only story where the character even appeared.


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Now who is making stuff up?

No, Strange informs he will make the realm vanish just like Ancient One did. Champions didn't ignore the story seeing its the only story where the character even appeared.


His appearance in Champions is a flashback to a past meeting with Pluto. This doesn't contradict anything. Strange destroys that realm. Your comparisons are inaccurate and misrepresenting.

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His appearance in Champions is a flashback to a past meeting with Pluto. This doesn't contradict anything. Strange destroys that realm. Your comparisons are inaccurate and misrepresenting.

Haha, what? The meeting happened because Pluto wanted allies in present.

You're as always bitching and moaning and trying to lowball.


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[B]Highfather restores all the worlds after they were destroyed by Si'vaa even after he was absorbed by The Source.

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It's not "even after he was absorbed by The Source". It's "because he was absorbed by The Source". He is using the power of The Source to do all of this.

And regarding the Scans of Darkseid allegedly teleporting Daxam and Apolkolips. Isn't that non-canon?

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why would the gds be outside of canon?


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why would the gds be outside of canon?

Alternate timeline. Digi amended the rule about non cannon sources to include alternate timelines way back when specifically to deal with people bringing it up in every DS thread.


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No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.

Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.

An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.


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but do we know for sure it IS an alternate timeline? we know ds wasn't affected by the crisis, so i'm still unclear on how gds gets lumped into the 'non-canon' category? is there some panel proof somewhere that expressly supports it being an alternate timeline and non-canon? confused


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but do we know for sure it IS an alternate timeline? we know ds wasn't affected by the crisis, so i'm still unclear on how gds gets lumped into the 'non-canon' category? is there some panel proof somewhere that expressly supports it being an alternate timeline and non-canon? confused

When it was released it took place thousands of years in the future and there's been multple multiversal reboots since then so it's an alternate timeline. Besides, as a standard future versions of a characters are never allowed as evidence to use for current versions characters.


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there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly. a future CAN be linked directly to the present and so be canon. and seeing as how ds's personal space/time is different from the normal space/time anyway, not sure how it can be said with any certainty that it's an alternate timeline and not canon ds in the future. i figured there would be some direct proof rather than a straight declaration. i was also under the impression that dc had established some sort of....mega-canon, wherein almost every story was considered canon nowadays...?


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there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly.


What scene do you have in mind?

The Other best moment was Aunt May wearing the Iron Man suit big grin


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there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly. a future CAN be linked directly to the present and so be canon. and seeing as how ds's personal space/time is different from the normal space/time anyway, not sure how it can be said with any certainty that it's an alternate timeline and not canon ds in the future. i figured there would be some direct proof rather than a straight declaration. i was also under the impression that dc had established some sort of....mega-canon, wherein almost every story was considered canon nowadays...?

Even if it were cannon to DS, the forum rule/policy still excludes it. By the same token many argue that JLA/Avengers is cannon and it may very well be, but it doesn't matter because it's still not allowed. Because it can derail virtually every Marvel vs DC thread.

Seriously, I know for a fact that it applies to DS/GDS because I was the one who talked Digi into amending the rule. DS supporters refused to acknowledge that the rule applied even under the more common sense wording of the original rule(you gotta remember, this was back in the days of nvr and Trick) until it specifically mentioned alternate timelines so he changed it to kill the arguement before it even began.


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So rare exceptions are allowed, then?

Like the GDS evil face

Furthermore, Carver never specified pre or post Crisis, just to be pedantic, as it seems that's what we're down to, lol.

Just preDCnU.


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So rare exceptions are allowed, then?

Like the GDS evil face

No, not GDS lol. It'd be like allowing feats for the future version of Glads in that one fight with Thor for his current version.


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