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Bane in ROT ****ed up a much larger blast door, so if someone wants to scale Tenebrous off of that...
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The surface area of the expanding explosion impacting Tenebrous' barrier is what severely diminished what Tenebrous needs to actually block
FYI?
10 meters from the epicenter?
About 1/1000th the energy of an omnidirectional explosion is exerted on a human sized surface area
Granted, we're talking a barrier, but we're also talking a blast radius greater than 10 meters *shrugs*
The sheer mass alone is underwhelming as a feat without knowing the speed by which the mass of rock was moving before Tenebrous halted it's KE *shrugs*
Yeah, I'm sure the developers created possibly the largest, thickest and most impressively sizable door in the game and thought "weak as shit". It's a blast door designed to stop explosions, obviously it would be highly resistant to kinetic damage. Indeed, it is considerably larger and thicker than the other blast doors found in the game, even those installed to protect military facilities and high-yield ordinance, the obvious and correct interpretation is that it is intended to be enormously strong.
Explosions diminish considerably simply by traveling through the air, so the distance and resistance would be more than adequate in lessening the force. And you say they were in a large area? The force would be immensely spread out and lessened. Its unlikely they faced a fraction of the force of the initial explosion.
Noob Plagueis getting knocked over doesn't mean much, the text doesn't state he actively had a shield up. The explosion was such that it merely set the hawk-bats caught up in it on fire and they weren't shredded by the blast. Furthermore, Plagueis was the one who was holding up the slabs, Tenebrous merely started helping him do that, notably when the fireballs final flames reached them.
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That's not the point at all, the point is that your throwing out conjecture as to how strong.
Regardless we know, not strong enough for Act 1 Barensethor is blow through, so maybe "weak as shit" is that much of an exaggeration.
Through dispersal yeah, in which case this explosion was funnelled through a series of tunnels, within an entirely enclosed space, and at nigh instant speeds.
Noob Plagueis? Lol. He was a fully-fledged Sith Lord with 50 years or so of training under his belt, I doubt the Barsenthor could even so much as budge him. And the explosion was described as "vaporising" so I imagine those bats didn't last long.
I feel like being funnelled through a tunnel would also increase the intensity as well, but I'm just a layman uneducated in the realm of physics.
That's a nice stat but seems rather relative, it doesn't take that big an explosion to kill a person for example, even if their only struck by 1/1000th of it, and an explosion that an fill several massive cathedrals is overkill in that regard, and getting caught it in would presumably f*ck over most people, even if they are only exposed to a fraction of it.
The speed at which gravity accelerated it I would think...
Was it being funneled? Genuinely don't remember *shrugs*
Thought it was destroying the tunnel
If it was only funneled through, I'm not even sure it was that amazing an explosion to begin with *shrugs*
Fill several cathedrals?
Or destroy?
Because you're only talking, what, the AOE of an MOAB/FOAB if it was only expansive enough to "fill" it
And it wouldn't even necessarily hold the power of one given, well, the destruction isn't exactly extreme if the explosion isn't plowing through the rock over just being funneled down a path *shrugs*
It'd hold massively more energy than either in the case the rock is being obliterated, but it just comes back to my first issue where surface area diminishes the intensity
Like I said, my example was from 10 meters away
Wasn't Tenebrous considerably further away?
That's why I called it underwhelming *shrugs*
I'm looking more for excess of triple digits m/s before I roll out of bed
Even then, it's just another bit feat
Tenebrous gets powerscaling, that's largely his only claim to fame and why I even bother contemplating him as a fighter
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You being "fairly certain" doesn't mean it's true given that the blast literally destroyed armies of Force sensitives as per the source I posted. And so what if someone survived? It's a good feat for them, lmao.
Still waiting for either Revan or Vitiate replicate that hundredfold before either of them are going to touch Tenebrous.
Capital F in "Force field". The feat is legit
Revan’s head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression,
The distraction gave the Emperor the opportunity he needed, and he unleshed another blast of lightning into the Jedi’s chest.
Scourge could smell burning flesh, as Revan screamed once, then collapsed to the ground, unconscious.
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What straws are there to grasp? Sourcebooks say Banite scaling is legit and the weakest member of the entire line (at that moment) can tank army busting attacks. Now tell me how it is supposedly beyond Tenebrous to defend against Revan's coalition ragdolling.
Tenebrous is shit? Show me Revan sensing the states of individual midi-chlorians. Show me Revan running so fast that he nearly knocks Plagueis over. Show me Revan capably repelling explosions so great that they obliterate mines with tunnels the size of cathedrals. Show me Revan mathematically calculating the future or the connections to the Force of unborn life forms. Show me Revan being some thirty power-ups above Bane.
Only one thing you mentioned was really relevant to combat, and frankly causing a mine to collapse isn't a big deal. They're notoriously unstable and prone to collapse.
I mean, the very first boss in the Consular campaign also collapsed a large series of caves by ripping the ceiling out of it before he got a giant power up and Thor still smashed him so hard someone watching literally started worshiping her.
Basically what I'm saying is that 'Thor is a beast.
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I'd say most feats in Star Wars in general kind of suck, but I tend to think in a larger scale than you do *shrugs*
This is beneficial in combat?
His precision with sensing is better, so what?
Context is king here
How far was he from Plagueis? I have to assume you mean air pressure, because any ******* can do this with a tackle (hell, I used to do this at ****ing recess in middle school).
Regardless?
I'm doubtful this requires more than transonic, if that, given the kind of wind that can push around human sized masses
Your ignorance isn't an excuse to wank a bit feat dude *shrugs*
Shit, its not like the depth of knowledge required here is anything outside you learn in high school
Tenebrous was hilariously outside the epicenter of the explosion. The surface area of what his barrier needed to defend against is a pittance to the actual power of the entire blast
If you want a feat to gawk at, gawk at Zannah defending against a wave of energy that was set to raze Ruusan to from some unknown number of kilometers away
Sure, it remains unimpressive in who benefits from it, but its orders of magnitude above this shit *shrugs*
Ok, he's brilliant
Raw intellect is a measure of how much magic you can toss around?
News to me *shrugs*
It sounds impressive when you say 30
Yet remains underwhelming when you remember how much each generation grew in power is never actually stipulated
Could be anything from nigh equals with barely an incremental increase to a meteoric rise
When you can demonstrate tangible, measurable growth?
This might actually be worth someone's time to more than shrug off as a pretty anecdote *shrugs*
You're free to speculate, but that's all it remains. No substance behind it sans gut feeling derived from what you think should be.
Nalen Raloch was calling down the cave (which is a minuscule fraction of the size of the mines on Bal'Demnic) much slower than the explosion did the mines, lmfao. Besides, the fact that the Consular fled the caves rather than supporting the collapsing pieces like Tenebrous did only suggests that they lacked the power at the time to actually defend themselves from the cave-in. Your comparison is terrible.
@Chaos - I didn't say those were combat-displays of power, just attacking the general notion that Tenebrous is just weak in general. It's not as if non-combat showings are irrelevant - otherwise most of the claims to the fame for the OR kingpins are invalidated.
The feats suck in comparison to what? Your vaunted anime feats? Or in comparison to the majority of SW showings? You tell me which one is more relevant here.
He was standing next to Plagueis, IIRC, and knocking over human sized masses doesn't mean anything compared to knocking over one of the most powerful Dark Lords ever, lol.
As for the Zannah showing, that was an instinctive manifestation of potential as opposed to displaying mastered power on a whim, but that doesn't matter considering that Tenebrous has some thirty power-ups on Zannah, so that only strengthens Tenebrous' standing. Tenebrous not being at the epicenter doesn't change the fact that the explosion was still collapsing cathedral-sized mine tunnels and knocking Plagueis off his feet at the time that it reached Tenebrous.
And as impressive as Tenebrous' mathematical calculations are, that doesn't mean I expect such things to be necessary to analyze somebody's power level. Holistically, Tenebrous is several orders of magnitude beyond the likes of Bane and Zannah, and immediately preceding Plagueis. That in of itself speaks to a greater amount of holistic power than Revan and many others can speak to.
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There's nothing underwhelming about unspecified information, lol. Anyways, Palpatine and Plagueis both gained meteoric power-ups and Tenebrous spent well over a human lifetime growing after succeeding his own master, so I'm tempted to say that the gap would also be very sizable. That aside, even slight power-ups amount to a significant disparity between Bane and Tenebrous, even though it's evidently not just slight power-ups each time based on the underlying basis for the Rule of Two, the established precedent for the amount of power gained upon a Banite Master's death, and how much time each Banite Master has to grow in power after taking the throne.
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I don't do that whole "combat" vs "non-combat" shit
Given crossover fights include many verses with supernatural powers yet no actual fights?
That's kind of a stupid stipulation in my normal arena
What I mean by "non-combat" as you put it here?
The esoteric shit like precision sensory that has combat utility, but suffers vast diminished returns in how far cranking it up matters
Not even discussing medium
I'm just talking his tier
They're too generic, nondescript, a waste of my time to do any kind of math for
They're like Dooku's Obelisk feat
I can eyeball that while high balling it and still be underwhelmed
Dude
****ing Kanan Jarrus has better feats
Chucking those Asteroids is hilariously above anything Tenebrous showcased
Hell, the Eighth Brother and Seventh Sister lifting that Jedi Temple is plausibly better too if I had to actually give it thought and comparison *shrugs*
For a guy of Tenebrous' tier?
His feats suck
But, as I noted?
He gets powerscaling, albeit not to Kanan Jarrus because different canon
A human sized mass
Where the super human strength characters possess in franchise is negligibly different in terms of order of magnitude from low tier to top tier
Kind of how it works when your best strength feats are Kenobi ****ing up Grievous' armor (because it eats starship lasers and explosions that ****ed up a city or some shit), Grievous can trade blows with the ****er, and season 1 Ahsoka can manage to not get her arms broken from clashing with the guy *shrugs*
It's kind of like after images, why should I be impressed by bowling over a human sized mass, especially when super weight isn't an actual law of physics but an anime/video game trope
So we're just ignoring the part where complete nothings, both Jedi and Sith, survived without erecting barriers
Like I said, its an impressive feat, but when fodder can accomplish the same, who cares outside of crossover battles?
In universe comparisons are worthless
It kind of does
As I've told Beni?
Simple math tells me even being 10 meters outside the epicenter diminishes the payload eaten a hilarious amount
Seriously, have fun with 4PIr^2
It's all you'll need here *shrugs*
Anyway, I've got to sleep. Later dude and good night.
It means that it wouldn't take much to destablise the mine and trigger a cave-in. Chaos has already thoroughly debunked the idea that the shockwave was especially notable when it hit them, even if it would be powerful enough to trigger the cave in initially.
Uh, yeah, TK is slower than an explosion. News at 11. The Consular fleeing only demonstrates prudence since they have no clue how much of the cave could collapse (the whole mountain could come down on her, lol) and have no reason to support it, especially when Raloch is currently getting away. It's not like she could weld the ceiling back together, holding it up would accomplish nothing. Plagueis and Tenebrous fled the explosion initially as well, remember.
1. Not all mines are the same. The shockwave sent Plagueis flying, so yeah, it was notable. Authorial intent and demonstrable facts >>> fan-made calculations that the author obviously didn't bother considering.
2. Try crying over how demolished your case is rather than shooting sarcastic remarks. You were trying to compare Raloch's performance to that of the explosion's. They don't compare, at all, and it isn't just travel speed, but the potency of the attacks as well. At minimum, the surrounding area would've collapsed instantly, but it didn't. The explosion was infinitely more powerful than the TK you're mentioning.
As for whether lifting up slabs would do anything, wasn't the Holocron still sitting there? I don't recall Raloch taking it, but I may be wrong. If so, the Consular holding up the slabs and moving them somewhere else would've saved the Holocron.
Which still doesn't diminish it as an extreme showing of Force mastery?
You could say that of every character given what the likes of Rivi-Anu have been able to accomplish.
I admit Tenebrous could obviously use more and better showings, but he's a supporting character and what we have for him is pretty good. He certainly doesn't belong down in the dumps like a number of people here pretend.
Whereas you can eyeball Revan being one-shotted by Vitiate's Lightning and calculate that he absorbed 97% of the Lightning?
You might want to consider the ease and immediacy of Tenebrous' feat (I assume you're referring to the Barrier one) before you go around claiming about how shit it is. Obviously he could use more, but just dismissing them on the basis of them sucking isn't enough. Not when most of the characters who are supported here don't have showings of that caliber to begin with. And that's kind of my point. Tenebrous' showings alone would actually put him above the shit-tier that half of the people have him in.
Maybe because Jedi and Sith don't get knocked over as easily as regular humans?
Maybe because they weren't actually hit by the storm? Is it ever shown that they just waded through the storm without a Barrier and emerged unscathed?
How on earth does this change the fact that it was doing the things I mentioned when it hit Tenebrous?
It's something that happens. It's what happens when an explosion occurs underground. It's how physic's work. Obviously the explosion did trigger a cave-in and therefore it really needn't have been a powerful explosion to pull it off. Plagueis being a dummy and not defending himself means nothing.
Lawl, cry harder. I don't even get what you're trying to say, it looks like you're just moaning. You think Raloch should have collapsed the cave that he was in, instantly? And I wasn't directly comparing the two feats, I was more pointing out that a similar result was achieved by Raloch ripping the ceiling apart, proving that you can destabilize a cave network rather easily.
I'm looking at it on youtube. I think the Consular picks it up before they flee the cave since it disappears after the cutscene ends. It's also worth mentioning that you're attacked by (apparently suicidal) Flesh Raiders as you flee the cave, with a bonus quest to killing them so theres canonical evidence for them being there. So there's really no reason for her to try holding up a mountain and she'd be attacked while doing so.
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1. You don't get to play the "dummy didn't defend himself" card when you take Malgus' Force Lightning/Wave on the Strike Teams as legitimate showings, lol.
2. It's not just destabilizing cave networks, though. Your comparison still doesn't make sense, considering since the cave Raloch collapsed is nothing compared to the mines on Bal'Demnic.
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