Orion is one of the most deadliest top tiers in comics. Think Hulk, but with super speed, insane fighting ability, and genius intellect, both in the scientific and combat areas.
Hes strong enough to fight a sun amped superman. I still say these 3 get beaten, and badly at that
Wolverine, Sabertooth, and Spider-Man are three of the most accomplished fighters in comics. Possessing super speed, insane fighting ability, genius intellect, both in the scientific (Spider-Man) and combat (Wolverine and Sabertooth) areas, plus the ability to damage even beings as strong as Hulk. They're well balanced enough to fight and defeat an enraged Hulk. I still say they take Orion down, albeit after a great fight.
Three of the most? There are better fighters in comics, IMO. Super speed? For a super soldier, maybe, but not on the level of a top tier like Orion. Spidey's a genius, but not on the level of Orion. Not even close.
Three of the most, not the three most. Were you saying Orion is the number 1 top tier? Not equal, but enough that they could keep him off balance long enough to start piling on the damage. Spider-Man has as much talent for science as Reed Richards, and blew away the Scientist Supreme with technology he'd invented at 15 years old.
Orion has Parker beat in terms of tech feats. When has SM created something that is powerful as the Genesis Box? He hasn't. Technology is the New God's specialty.
Neither one of these guys has faced someone like Orion.
Orion's showing in Superman KOTW are a bit misunderstood, which is understandable given some of the apparent internal contradictions in the arc. That said, Orion is clearly on Superman's day-to-day level in terms of raw strength and durability.
Orion's speed is unclear--sure, Simonson gave him some low-level (for DC) superspeed. But I'm not sure that other writers have always given him such speed. Still, it's unlikely to matter here much.
Well, if you go all the way back to the Kirby era, almost all gods had feats that look like super speed
Take Mr. Miracle: One moment he's caught in a trap, with an ax coming at him. The next he's across the room as the axe comes down. Essentially "teleports" on panel.
Looks like super speed to me.
As for Orion, he's reacted to and caught Lightray, who's well established as multiples of light speed.
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Thor also has such feats, though we've never attributed true super speed to Thor (recent Jane-Thor feats notwithstanding). In DC, almost all the bricks with real super speed have Flash-like feats that recur regularly, and/or are repeatedly and explicitly said to have super speed. With Orion, this hasn't been the case. I'm not coming down definitely on either side with respect to whether he has low-level super speed, or 'just' Thor-level speed. I'm just saying it seems debatable to me, but I may not have seen all the relevant evidence.
As for travel speed, it does not necessarily indicate true, combat super speed.
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First off, happy birthday Leo! This is one scenario that could go down, although I don't think it'd be as easy as you're suggesting. After all, look how difficult of a time Ragnarok had just dislodging Wolverine, let alone bfr'ing him:
Factoring in that lightning is extra effective against Wolverine, Orion won't be flying, and Spider-man will be able to contribute more than just rescuing wayward teammates, plus Sabretooth is stronger, faster, and more durable than Wolverine, means this strategy isn't going to be as easy to implement as you might think.
Like I said to Leo above, I agree that it's a probable scenario. It's not the only one however, and both Wolverine and Sabertooth have proven quite capable of using their agility in combat. On top of that, with Spider-Man there to keep them in the field of combat, plus providing a mobile, long range distraction for Orion, isolating any of these fighters will be no small task.
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