That Mnemon showing is good for Wonder Woman either way.
Either Wally is more predictable when "not in his right mind" there, in which case Diana was good at spotting the pattern he made and can recognize such things very quickly
or
Wally is less predictable and more random when "not in his right mind", in which case Wonder Woman can lasso Wally even when he is traveling at great speed and being unpredictable.
There is a third option which you haven't considered.
Flash had lost all of his skills. All of his caution. He may want to do XYZactions.....but doesn't know how to.
I share Carver's puzzlement at why you're trying to pursue a fruitless route like this. Diana frequently reacts to maneuvers from people far faster than Kyle and from far closer range than we're shown in that Murmansk encounter:
Why don't you focus your efforts not on other people,but on Wally vs Wonder Woman?
Both of them, in their prime (as in this thread) in a direct comparison of speed.
No mind control, not relative to Superman,or Amazo, or DS, or White Martians. Wally and WW.
Because so far, all you two have shown is that Batman would beat both Flash and WW. He's also reacted to HV. He's beaten DS in combat. He's managed to cut Amazo's legs without him being able to react to it. He's taken out no less than four Martians on his lonesome. So using ABC logic is the fruitless endeavor here.
I missed scans from that Starro upload because I possess that book neither in concrete form nor in digital. I could not tell you right now what magazine that is taken from to save my life. I could probably find out, but it would take a few moments on Google. When I told you "while I'm looking at them" a few pages ago, I was literally referring to a random collection of scans, of which only those two were identifiably from JLA versus Starro.
On the other hand, when you posted that image of Wonder Woman getting shot? I knew immediately what arc that was from, and the name Yannick Paquette came to mind, and I recognized instantly that girl wasn't a normal girl but a meta human being who rivals or surpasses Wonder Woman in physical stats including super speed and dexterity. Her name is Devastation, and it's debate-able whether that's even an ordinary gun she used, but it sure as shoot in' isn't a normal person firing that thing. Diana would have had little reason to think Deva could move as fast as she did, for no normal human could.
Somewhere I have that book. I could probably produce the physical copy for you within an hour. Ditto for Supergirl #4 or #5.
I marvel at how you are able to stitch so MANY deceptions into a post.
In fact one reason I often post with you is that I'm still trying to figure out if you yourself are fully aware of what you're doing when you post like this.
For instance "both ... in a direct comparison of speed".
The language itself automatically encourages people to think that whoever would win in a RACE would win in a fight, as if people with literal earthquake-making strength have nothing that could affect a ground-dependent speedster, let alone when the EarthShaker can also fly above the field at great speeds, where, until shown otherwise, they'd be untouchable.
Another is "each in their prime". When on the first page you show a much weaker version of Wonder Woman, fully a decade removed from the one in question, getting felled by a sniper bullet, and a meta human faking out one preceding the Sacrifice and Simone-era Wonder Women, knowing that some people read only the first page of a thread and no further.
You ask why Carver has not posted more. When in other threads you 2 have had so much conflict the mods have given you warnings that bans would be given if your behavior continued or escalated.
You also ignore that Wonder Woman and Flash are allies on a team.
There's not much occasion for them to be fighting one another UNLESS they are merely training, in which case their contest can be dismissed as friendly,
or are just meeting for the first time, in which case it can be argued one or both are inexperienced, or are being controlled or manipulated against their will.
Where is this pool of Wonder Woman versus Flash fights we have in order to draw from? If they exist, here is precisely the place to present them.
So if you think Bats, whilst his legs are being cut off, let's people do it....
Bluewater brought up a good point, though. Read Amazo's speech. He thinks he's Red Tornado - and that WW is hid friend. Just like Kyle Rayner sucker punched WW because she wasn't expecting an attack from a friend, so too did WW sucker punch Amazo because he didn't expect an attack from a friend.
Here is the next couple of pages.
Note in YOUR scan, Amazo has only formed the word 'Situation' Bruce cuts his legs.
Forum rule. They start on the ground. So yes, it IS a race - WW to get off the ground/punch the ground/pray to the gods/whatever you see fit to use as a tactic, and Wally to punch her (or speedsteal). Guess who's faster?
It was a direct reply to your use of PIS and Deathstroke. At least I didn't post Injustice WW, who is a completely different universe, let alone timeline.
Not me. I've not been warned.
There is the one you posted, where WW says Flash is far faster than her (well, I had to post the scan, but it was the same fight you helpfully brought up). Flash was mindcontrolled, and was fighting out of character there - but it helpfully illustrates the speed difference between the two. Whilst I agree, it is not a race, WW was hardly flying up into the air, or thunderclapping, or anything like that - she was getting punched in the face. As you yourself pointed out, speedsteal is also in character - so had Flash just stolen her speed, instead of punching her, well....
There is also the race. Again, I agree - it is not a race here. But it once again illustrates the gap in speed we are dealing with. When racing Superman, he puts effort in, and his style is akin to an Olympic sprint.
With WW? He runs backwards. And is still faster.
When the bell rings, he would be an indistinct blur to her - per her own admission. However, he WOULDN'T be running like a starfish, attacking her from pre-set, easily guessable points.
IOW, we already have had this fight. And Flash was winning, until Starro's predictability let him down.
Speed steal may be a winning technique here.
Without research, I can't answer it either way.
For now I'm willing to grant, if only for the sake of argument, that Flash could get a win percentage based on how likely it is that he would actually use that technique.
The problem is that Wonder Woman has a lot of things that SHOULD be the case for her but are not. For instance if she can fall under the sway of Fernus, J'onn Jonnz burning Martian form, she should theoretically have fallen to Max Lord, who was such a threat that even Batman warned J'onn to stay away from Max.
Instead she proves practically alone among the Justice League who can stop Max.
Wonder Woman's Secret Files and Origins book highlights a few more things that should be the case for her but are not, as a younger Diana tells her mentor, Phillipus:
The Doomsday comment made by Cassie is interesting.
I don't have much more time to examine today, but I seem to remember Doomsday having spiked knuckles, which should, by all rights, leave puncture wounds on Diana anytime they brawl. This is PART of what they refer to, a clone of DD that literally became stronger with each passing moment:
I'm recalling that now from having seen, in the course of researching for this thread, not only Flash's hand bruised from punching Deathstroke, but also bleeding IIRC, from punching SuperboyPrime.
Here, WW realises that they are mollycoddling her:
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And once again....Batman saves the day. So apparently she can 'adapt to Wally's speed' and 'sense air pressure'....but not Batman, lol.
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So IF we take this fight as gospel.....if a punch from the human level Batman pretty much incapacitates her, what would one IMP do???
My point was that when both of them were in direct comparison with each other, Flash did like 10 actions, when WW didn't even do 1.
I didn't use a Lantern. It was to show that in the time it took Lantern's light to travel a tiny distance, Wally did loads of stuff, whilst WW was unable to react.
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