If I were a cynical person I would say that H1 can't accept that a black man would defeat a white person, therefore he is massively low-balling Black Panther's feats.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
T'Challa's durability is not a red herring but Tony's durbality is. Tony's durability does not change the fact that WS displayed superhuman strength, especially with his robo arm. Tchall got hit with that arm and got back up.
Admit it, you're trying to derail the thread by focusing on Tony (when he has absolutely nothing to do with this thread). If you weren't then you'd focus on things that directly impacted T'Challa or Ozy.
You're trying to assign one guy's feats to another, all in an attempt to downplay and dismiss feats. Yet you will dick-ride any feats that favour characters you like (like Baleman KO'ing some random nobody with a backarm strike, for example, which you went on about for several posts in the Bane vs WS thread).
Tony got taken out by Bucky's HUMAN arm. This clearly proves that he would not be able to tank a hit from Bucky's much stronger METAL arm. T'Challa tanked the metal arm. Metal arm >>> Human Arm (even Steve's). So, no, it is not comparable or relevant. But hey, seeing as you made the claim, prove it. Post a clip of a human in the MCU tanking a metal arm hit from Bucky. Unless you do, you are spouting nothing but your personal opinion.
H1A8 is massively biased and will go to great lengths to lowball any feats he doesn't like, while wanking any feats that favour his side.
Rorschach taking a kick to the head from Ozy, "He is SUPER DURABLE!!!"
Black Panther tanks a metal arm hit from Bucky, "It doesn't count cuz movie physics."
-H1A8
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It depends on what you mean by tank. Tony tanked a full powered elbow to the face from someone with near Cap strength (according to you guys) without being koed or something broken. Does that mean Tony has superhuman durability? Or is it movie physics? It's all about what the WRITER IS TRYING TO SHOW. Anything else leads to contradictions.
With that said, I don't see the writer trying to portray T'Challa with superhuman durability no more than they were trying to portray Tony with superhuman durability. I believe any highly skilled (but human in physicality) human would have been portrayed to take a shot from the metal arm or even Cap himself. But not many.
So did Tony. Does that mean anything? It's about what the writer is trying to show.
I'm not. I'm just pointing out how movies work. Other wise you would get a bunch of nonsense contradictions. It's all about what the writer is trying to show.
That's false and if you want to focus on what the director's were trying to portray, then it's very evident that they intended to showcase that Black Panther was superhuman in the same tier as Steve and Bucky.
They showed consistently through that movie that his metal arm was vastly superhuman. This was proven by him punching through the cage, punching Steve through the elevator doors etc. By far the lowest showing of the arm is Spider-Man being able to catch his hit. That's the most questionable showing, being weaker than someone who can probably lift a bus.
Whether Iron Man is superhuman or not is a completely separate point and takes nothing away from Black Panther bouncing back up from Bucky's hit. T'Challa took Bucky's metal arm to the chest far better than Tony took Bucky's human arm to the chest. This indicates the vast difference in stats between him and a human being.
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1) Human survives getting hit by Ozy = OMG they have superhuman durability
2) Human survives getting hit by WS = they have normal human durability, that's just how movies work.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
The guy is literally trying to use a completely different character, taking a much less powerful attack in a worse way than T'Challa did, to try and dismiss a perfectly valid durability feat for him, and acting like everyone else is being unreasonable for not going along with it.
And, once again, it's his BS inconsistency/contradictions argument which he only ever applies to the side he is arguing against (while not only using one off feats, like the Ozy bullet catch, Bane pillar punch, Batman backhand, non-combat high-ends for Miyagi etc., but also his personal speculation, like what being part of LoS would imply) for the characters he supports. Also, I love how his fiction inconsistency argument is not simply ALWAYS aimed at characters he is against, but it ALWAYS means that a feat for a character he is arguing against will apparently be weaker than it appears to everyone else. He has never once used that line of reasoning to argue something might be more powerful in an instance where a character/characters he is against is concerned.
He is one of the absolute worst hypocrites and trolls on this site, but he will never acknowledge it. And I love how he is trying his Writer's Intent BS here, yet again, when behind the scenes interviews with the Russos and the like contain bits where they specifically reference that unarmored fight scene (where T'Challa takes the metal arm haymaker) as a means of showing Black Panther is superhuman. So, his claim of Writer's Intent actually contradicts the people who made CA:CW.
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Why was Tony able to tank a full elbow strike from Bucky?
It's not separate. Wasn't Bucky consistently shown to be superhuman and Cap's physical peer? Tony's face should have broken. Humans, in movies, have always tanked shit that no real human could. This is just how movies work. So the Tony showing TAKES AWAY from the T'Challa feat. It's still a good showing, just below what you are making it.
Does your standard also apply to those that survived Ozy's attacks?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
See what did I tell you? Red herring. You keep including Tony in this thread even though he has nothing to do with it.
WS was brought into this thread to showcase TChalla's durability since he tanked a punch from WS's robotic arm, an arm that has always been consistently shown to be of superhuman strength.
Tony was never punched with that robotic arm, therefore he has nothing to do with this thread. Stop derailing it.
It has everything to do with the thread. It shows how the movie’s physics work. And how shit jobs to normal humans all time.
Bottom line: TChalla tanking metal arm is not a realible durability feat because we have Tony tanking Bucky’s elbow (Bucky was also consistently shown to be super strong).
Any highly skilled human could have tanked the metal arm once in the chest. This is a fact. The chest is not the head or a critical nerve.
Do you agree?
With that said, Ozy can indeed damage TChalla with blows. But it will take many to put him down (unless he strikes him in a vital place).
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
If we were to use your logic, we could therefore say that Ozy is pretty weak since he was unable to snap the neck of a man lying nearly prone even with a full strength kick to the neck. Heck, he wasn't even able to KO him. Most adult men with decent martial arts training could at least cripple someone with a kick like that if not outright kill them.
So using your logic, we know that Ozy is actually weaker than a decent martial artist in the real world, and is way too weak to hurt BP.
Eh, wasn't he though? For the purposes of the story everyone is human and has no powers, save for Doc M. Yet...the people Ozy stomps in the movie are kinda like Batman, in the sense that they are supposed to be normal humans, but they do things no real world person could do.
I'm not saying the people he beat were Cap level, but they sure did seem above real world humans.
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