Surely that's dependent on the opponent he faces. Yoda being far stronger than Arcann, and having exhibited greater combat speed than Valkorion, kind of puts this sort of defence into question.
I always hear this.
Do we have a basis for assuming he can do this? These aren't really finger-flick powers. Teleportation especially. On top of that, virtually all known teleporters have lost fights in SW because they were just worse than their opponents, and teleportation didn't save them. Including every single one from TOR (except KotFE Satele Shan because to my knowledge you don't actually get to fight her, though she implies that she'd lose in a fight regardless).
Valkorion himself states "time has not stopped", though. Do we have a good reason to ignore that and assume that he can reliably pull it out to just circumvent any attack? As far as I know it's only been used for conversational effect, not for actually making a difference in combat. I'm willing to see evidence to the contrary. Based on the situations we see it seems abundantly clear to me that Valkorion can't actually stop time anyway, since I don't believe he's managed to actually solve any of the crises in which he's purportedly "frozen time", only given the Outlander a chance to have conversation with him and discuss their options.
And again if Yoda can get him before he can enact these powers they're useless anyway.
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Yep, I still don't understand the hysteria surrounding teleportation. It was there for Revan, the Dread Masters etc. as well.
I don't hear anyone saying An'ya Kuro suddenly gets a free pass versus Yoda, though. Or anyone denying that she lost to Vader in spite of her teleporting powers.
Maybe if she became some TOR operation boss who could "threaten the galaxy" if she was released but ends up losing to the main cast by having a bowling pin dropped on her head then they'll afford her the same privilege.
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The First Son of the Emperor was capable of casually teleporting around repeatedly in a cutscene whilst repeatedly attacking the Barsen'thor. His power is merely a small fraction of Vitiate's, not to mention Valkorion's.
When Valkorion boost the Outlander's perceptions during earlier points in KOTFE he's a lot less powerful than he is in KOTET Ch.9 after draining Vaylin's essence upon her death. There's also a difference between those instances. In the Ch.9 iteration, not only is everything completely frozen, but Valkorion's capable of attacking the Outlander outright. Not something he can do simultaneously when he death waves the Zakuul knights or blasts Arcann, he has to exit his time freeze on those instances. Not in Ch.9. There's a clear difference.
Furthermore, if you notice, when he first appears he does the whole time effect thing in Outlander's mind but when Arcann and Senya react, he freezes time again. But this time in real time.
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1. The First Son still lost that fight, though. And he only teleported a few metres, something which I doubt will be a significant nuisance in any fight between high-level Force users.
2. Is he still with the Outlander at that point though? If he is, then that doesn't apply to Yoda for obvious reasons. To my knowledge, it's always been the Outlander's perception of time that Valkorion affected, not anybody else's.
Even if we think he's far stronger than Arcann, Yoda's fighting style doesn't rely on power since he's usually airborne when attacking. He'd need to be attacking his ankles to actually have leverage on his attacks. And Valkorion was casually blocking Arcann anyway, Yoda shouldn't be that much of an issue. Plus Yoda's speed isn't too much for Valkorion to handle. He should be as fast or faster than Revan who is well within the range of handling Yoda's speed and Valkorion can supplement his speed with his teleportation and slowed time perception. If Yoda pressures his barrier he can teleport away. If Yoda is too fast he can slow time.
They aren't ones that require much effort either. Teleportation can be done instantly with no apparent strain and so too for Valkorions time stop ability. He can do it instantly even in the midst of lightsaber swings and shows no problem with maintaining it for long periods.
That's pedantic. I was just using the term time stop because its easier to say than "his ability to slow his perception of time to a crawl such that even powerful force users are frozen statues". Valkorion "stopped time" on the midst of combat most of the time. He did it in the middle of combat against Arcann, Heskal and in the middle of Lana getting attacked. All right in the middle of attacks. In fact with Heskal the Outlander was able to move in time stop, suggesting the ability is even more powerful than just perception manipulation. And if you accept Valkorions power you attack Heskal still in time stop.
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Between those 3 abilities Yoda has no hope of reaching Valkorion with his blade. He can only hope to win a Force contest in which he's hopeless outmatched.
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