As opposed to power level multipliers said by no one in the series?
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hilarious how flash says some shit and its the holy grail then he slips on someones toes but Cell saying the solar system buster line or Vegeta saying he was going to blow up earth in sayain saga was considered lies and nonsense by the dc fanboys
The Flashes were running faster than light there -- hence the "superluminal velocity" comment. That's how/why they were able to outrace the OBs and Black Racer.
How much faster than light they were actually moving, however, is impossible to say.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 4th, 2018 at 08:10 PM
No, in that particular scan, he was still light speed or slower. He said he had to "reach" superluminal velocity. Superluminal velocity means faster than light speed, which can be even as little as 0.0000000001% faster than light speed. It means that he was moving slower than, or at light speed, in that scan- while attempting to accelerate to FTL speed.
Am I saying Flash peaks at light speed, or just above it? No- I'm simply pointing out that the OB's were unable to catch him while he was moving lightspeed AT THE ABSOLUTE MAX. He was most likely moving slower than light, and accelerating towards FTL, as per his own statement.
Therefor, OB's = slower than light speed. They wouldn't be able to touch Frieza, even back on Namek- assuming he didn't just bat them away with a wave of his hand in the first place. /shrug
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Earlier in the story it was explicitly stated that the Black Racer(who was ALSO chasing them) cannot move faster than light. To outrun him, the OBs, AND breach the singularity Darkseid had created in that final moment, the Flashes had to run FASTER than light -- hence him saying: "have to reach superluminal velocity".
Have you read this story? Serious question. Because I feel like if you *had* read the story, I wouldn't have to be explaining this to you...
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 4th, 2018 at 08:35 PM
Flash was outpacing the OB's, before he reached superluminal velocity. Right? Good.
This means that with light speed, someone could outpace them.
Does outpacing = escaping their reach? No. It means you are moving fast enough to not be hit by them.
I am arguing that, in that particular moment(when the Flash's were outpacing the OB's), they were moving at less than or equal to light speed. If you're arguing that they were already moving FTL, then you're automatically wrong- as per Flash's own statement.
Think about it- if he was already moving FTL, why would he say "We need to reach superluminal velocity", which means "FTL movement"? That would be like Darth Vader saying "We need to jump into hyperspace to catch them", while they were in hyperspace. Lmao, that wouldn't make any sense, just like what it seems you're implying.
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Again, IN THAT FINAL MOMENT the Flashes exceeded c. They HAD TO exceed c in order to breach Darkseid's singularity and outrun the Black Racer and OBs. How do I know they had to move that fast to outrun BR/OBs? Because in the very same arc it was stated that BR cannot exceed c -- so to outrun him in that final moment, THEY HAD TO.
Here is the very next panel after the page carver posted: (please log in to view the image)
"This is the story of how the Flashes OUTRAN Death, the Black Racer..."
And as I said: earlier in the story it was explicitly stated that BR cannot exceed c: (please log in to view the image)
...So to outrun BR, the Flashes HAD TO exceed c.
Again, did you even read the story? Because I really shouldn't have to be explaining this right now...
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 5th, 2018 at 12:36 PM
And Black Racer can keep up with Lightray, who casually burns 10 times past lightspeed or more as stated by narration (Conflicting with the above scans, as does the fact Racer kept on Flash's tale in Final Crisis), grabs a power ring off a ring slinger before them or their battle computers can react, and is said to be faster then energy Superman Blue, who flew to the Source Wall under his own power.
Flash is faster then that, by feats.
All Golden Freeza has is Carver's pathetic scaling wankery.
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Black Racer is no more below light speed then Superman is.
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Okay- let me say this again, but read it very slowly.
IN CARVER'S SCAN, FLASH WAS OUTPACING THE OB'S AT UNDER LIGHT SPEED.
What do you not understand about this? Nowhere in my post did I even mention Black Racer, or the events after the scan. My point is that the OB's speed = less than or equal to light speed. What are you having trouble understanding here?
If anyone's reading comprehension needs to be taken into question, it would make sense for it to be the comprehension of the person(you) who is completely going around my argument and avoiding my explanation of the events as they happened, very clearly in Carv's scan I might add, just to try and stubbornly defend an irrelevant point that has nothing to do with the argument.
As per that scan- Flash > Light speed >= Darkseid's Omega Beams. Where is it that you're failing to understand this simple, proven, and demonstrable concept?
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Wally West has capped out running across the entire universe faster than time itself, i.e. in less than one planck instant.
For reference, a planck instant is the amount of time it takes for light to move from one particle in an atom, to the other. Basically the shortest amount of time measurable by the human perspective.
Wally ran across the universe in less than that amount of time, to beat a god in a race(said god was using instantaneous teleportation).
Wally = faster than time itself, when using the combined speed of the entire Earth.
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So you DIDN'T read the story, and are pretending like carver's singular scan = all the context we need? Lol, priceless.
Again, the OBs = Death = BR. To outrace them in that final moment(and breach Darkseid's singularity), the Flashes had to EXCEED the speed of light -- hence Flash explicitly stating: "Have to reach SUPERLUMINAL VELOCITY!" And just before the scan carver posted, Flash explicitly stated that BR was GAINING ON THEM.
I know this because I actually READ the story, and am exceedingly familiar with the context surrounding that scene... It would behoove you to do the same if you're going to try and seriously argue this point with me.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 6th, 2018 at 09:04 PM
Wait, don't you realize that you just agreed with me???
As per your own words, in speed, BR = OB's. You LITERALLY JUST POSTED a scan of Jay Garrick stating that BR is slower than light speed. That means THAT THE OB'S WERE SLOWER THAN LIGHT SPEED.
That is the only point I'm arguing, lmfao. How about you put two and two together next time, instead of acting like 4 is the wrong answer, just because I'm saying it? lol
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