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Sheev's supremacy debunked.
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One Big Mob
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Well, in the case of Sidious's accolades I think that their relevance doesn't end when new characters are added because the position of Sidious as the top is thematically relevant regardless of exactly which set of characters from past eras have been described. (Also what would be the point of such accolades if they get called into question as soon as someone publishes a book a few months later?)
That's why there's context involved in these things. I'm not saying any new character would be called into question, I'm saying a character that was able to eclipse or match Sheev in feats. Someone that actually made you ponder these things, not some loser like if Exar Kunt were introduced now.
Characters introduced after the fact aren't retroactively bound by these statements. Luckily there's no instances so far, but it shouldn't be such a hard cap.


Also I like how this thread is trying to debunk Sheev when it's also trying to build up Exar by latching onto statements that with twisting we can put him in Sheev's tier. So he's at best in Sheev's tier with one Luke statement to the contrary? Wouldn't that make neither Kun or Sheev the most powerful Sith in history? How exactly does this help his cause unless we really grasp at that Luke statement?


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This isn't just about Kun, this is about literally every Sith having a crack at his position. In other words, anarchy.


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Ell, did you even read the OP? laughing out loud


You laugh but how many sane person did? I sure not.


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You laugh but how many sane person did? I sure not.


Was that supposed to be coherent?


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This isn't just about Kun, this is about literally every Sith having a crack at his position. In other words, anarchy.
Good point. At least if Sheev isn't the top, we can rule out lessers like Darth Kun, Darth Dooku, Anakin Vader, and Maul.

Then we can rule out people more powerful than Kun like Malak and Revan as both are worse than Vitiate.

The anarchy only leads to one other person. The insanity you caused! How could you lead to such a free for all with only one other contender? Pure anarchy!

Cue Kun defense


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I mean, your pathetic attempts at trolling aside, it does wonders for a multitude of characters. Especially for Krayt, who may be the new GOAT.


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Was that supposed to be coherent?


Only to people with a functioning brain.


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I like how Ap thought she came up with some kind of new arguments.

Nai has been saying the same shit for years now, yielding no positive results.


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I mean, your pathetic attempts at trolling aside, it does wonders for a multitude of characters. Especially for Krayt, who may be the new GOAT.
I assumed this thread was just a big troll.

So you're saying the literal only thing that holds Krayt back from being less than Sidious is Sheev's hype of being the most powerful? That if we delete those accolades, Krayt is more powerful than Palpatine?

Also, again, it does wonders for apparently two characters if you include Krayt. Who are the multitudes?


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I like how Ap thought she came up with some kind of new arguments.

Nai has been saying the same shit for years now, yielding no positive results.


Nah, Nai half-assed it and failed to realise how far this goes.


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I assumed this thread was just a big troll.

So you're saying the literal only thing that holds Krayt back from being less than Sidious is Sheev's hype of being the most powerful? That if we delete those accolades, Krayt is more powerful than Palpatine?

Also, again, it does wonders for apparently two characters if you include Krayt. Who are the multitudes?


Sheev's most powerful quotes were a massive status quo mechanic in the forums, without them being considered infallible then there are actual debates to be made to the contrary.

Oh and no, the Malak bait is pretty pathetic, especially given how his only concrete wank comes from Star Forge scaling.


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The sheer amount of butthurt caused by the Emperor’s supremacy by itself is a greater feat than anything Kun has done, and AP unintentionally became the strongest evidance for this.


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So in other words, still no counter?


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"Darth Bandon, who had far surpassed Exar Kun in power, could not hold a candle to a teenage Mara Jade, let alone Darth Sidious, the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history by both Force power and combative ability" - Leland Chee's Ultimate Legends Sourcebook


Wtf!? When did he say that? Did it he really state that using such choice of words?


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Wtf!? When did he say that? Did it he really state that using such choice of words?

Yes.

I called Leland and he told me that quote is 100% legit.

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How do any of Siidous'quotes apply to Krayt, who chronologically comes into existence after Sidious?

Pretty sure sids is considered superior due to his feats...

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@Sel, as opposed to you, something who's ass got ripped so far open that it can't spew anything but sh!t.

Go back to alcoholics anonymous already.


.... does your ass usually produce other things? I am confused. I thought asses spewing shit was a pretty regular, normal, human thing.

You seem mad though. Why is this? smile


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Which doesn't at all imply that this refers to all of history.

"The most powerful Sith Lord of all" does imply all of history, because at the time Sidious and Vader were the only Sith. Of all implies there's more than just two. But at the time there wasn't. So... maybe think a little?

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Greatest =! Most powerful

I'm open to any other interpretation.

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More importantly, this was a novel set in TCW's TV canon, it has no bearing on what was formerly C-canon.

I'm sorry... what? This is published alongside TCW while TCW was still part of the EU. It counts.

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None of this says Sheev is the most powerful Sith Lord ever or of all-time. erm

Because being "the lord of all Sith Lords" means he's probably the best at jenga or something.

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I don't care if you think that there's a 'certain theme'.

And the entire forum doesn't care if you think any of these arguments aren't retarded, cheap excuses. Stop embarrassing yourself.


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Oh, and another quote to seal the deal:
"Is Bane correct? I don't know. HE thinks he's correct. On some cosmic level I do too, and that the concentration brought about by the Rule of Two allowed the dark side to grow in strength until the era of Palpatine -- the most powerful dark lord in history."
-- Book of the Sith Endnotes


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Yes.

I called Leland and he told me that quote is 100% legit.


Either you troll me or he trolled you.


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